Dak numbers without Zeke

[Clove]

You can't even make this stuff up. The stubbornness of these coaches continues to ruin this team.

These coaches have ZERO clue. Last night, I saw Oakland tip off a blitz on the left side with 3 rushers. What do we do, we continue to run the 5 WR set - No blitz pick up possibility, and Beasley runs his usual out, everyone else up field. Now is it me, or should we have audible'd to a protective scheme to protect from the blitzer? This is what I hate about this offense.
I see Romo calling out blitzes and all, but even he could not DO what his BRAIN told him, thus the inability to reach the conference finals. This coaching staff has held Romo back, and now Dak back. Obviously Romo was more polished after sitting 3 or 4 years and playing another 10, whereas, Dak's in his second year, but they are going to ruin this kid.

 

[Trouty]

He threw for 65%, 20 TDs and 5 INTs and a playoff birth.. with an 8.1 YPA average... and a QBR of 102

Yes, it was...

Dak threw for 23 and 4. Ran for another 6. Played within the pocket, or outside on boots. RG3 used his feet to make plays, Dak leaned on his arm, and a QBR of 102 is impossible.

 

[khiladi]

Dak threw for 23 and 4. Ran for another 6. Played within the pocket, or outside on boots. RG3 used his feet to make plays, Dak leaned on his arm, and A QBR of 102 is impossible.

Wait, Dak doesn't use his feet to make his plays? How many rushing TDs does he have this year, while his passing is garbage? Neither of them are 'pocket QBs'.. Coaches always talk about keeping Dak in the pocket and not letting his get outside..

What exactly is your point other than you proving that RG3 and Dak had essentially the same statistical years as rookies just like I said?

 

[Trouty]

I've always thought Linehan was decent... One year with Romo, they were robbed in Green Bay... In Detroit, the guy put of top offense year in and out and he's well respected in the league as an OC...

And Dak is also a "gimmick", with his read-option and Linehan having to ushe half the field for his first season.. That's why they run the bootleg so much for him...

And none of that changes the fact that statistically, their rookie years were comparable and when defenses adjusted, they both came crashing down to earth...

Dak isn't gimmick. We're talking rookie seasons, right? Dak always looked to pass first his first season. Play designs be damned. Dak was doing more with his arm, showing greater flashes, than RG3 was his rookie year. Then their was the whole PO thing that happened for both guys.

 

[JeffInDC]

Actually, Linehan deserves credit for simplifying the offense for this guy's limitations... just like he deserves credit for last year for making this whole offense run on play-action..

You mean the same guy that refuses to have Beasley run a 5 yard in/out 99% of the time deserves credit. Ok. Look, even I have said Dak has struggled. But, to the levels that you and the rest of the Anti-Dak faction have spouted is getting beyond ridiculous. The fact that Linehan did not have the foresight to modify the offense in Dak's 2nd year after he knew teams would be able to easily figure out this archaic scheme should be his demise. But, yeah, it's all Dak's fault. I would love any of the All-22 subscribers to post the game films from this year so everybody could actually see what Dak is seeing in real time. But, I'm sure if 99% of us would see that the receivers aren't getting open on most plays, you and the rest of Anti-Dak mob would still blame the outcome on him.

 

[khiladi]

We run 5 WR sets out of shotgun, because they want to keep everything in front of Dak and because that is what he was successful in college when it came to passing...

 

[Trouty]

Wait, Dak doesn't use his feet to make his plays? How many rushing TDs does he have this year, while his passing is garbage? Neither of them are 'pocket QBs'.. Coaches always talk about keeping Dak in the pocket and not letting his get outside..

What exactly is your point other than you proving that RG3 and Dak had essentially the same statistical years as rookies just like I said?

We're talking rookie years, no? Dak, in his rookie year, flashed nice inside the pocket. He's regressed some this year.

 

[khiladi]

Dak isn't gimmick. We're talking rookie seasons, right? Dak always looked to pass first his first season. Play designs be damned. Dak was doing more with his arm, showing greater flashes, than RG3 was his rookie year. Then their was the whole PO thing that happened for both guys.

Your talking about styles and I'm talking about statistical years and both were lavished all this praise.. RG3 throws darts Dak could never.. his flaws is he sucked at getting through his progressions..

Nobody arguing whether or not hey were different stylistically.. They both had essentially equivalent rookie years. And both of them look like bums their sophomore seasons playing...

But Dak has had the better OL irrespective..

 

[JeffInDC]

We run 5 WR sets out of shotgun, because they want to keep everything in front of Dak and because that is what he was successful in college when it came to passing...

But, you can't run simple college routes against most pro defenses..........and, that's what Dallas continues to do. No natural pick routes like NE and others, very few drags and slants, etc...........

 

[Trouty]

Your talking about styles and I'm talking about statistical years and both were lavished all this praise.. RG3 throws darts Dak could never.. his flaws is he sucked at getting through his progressions..

You're damned right I'm talking styles when you say "Dak is RG3"

"I'm looking at the stats" doesn't cut it, homeslice. Is Carr an RG3, too?

 

[WillieBeamen]

@Risen Star was right about him all along

 

[khiladi]

You're damned right I'm talking styles when you say "Dak is RG3"

"I'm looking at the stats" doesn't cut it, homeslice. Is Carr an RG3, too?

So what if that is what your talking about.

You responded to what I said:

And RG3 has almost an equivalent rookie year as Dak, so acting like that is evidence for his soon-to-be greatness is absurd. The criticisms of Dak's play, in particular this year, are exactly what his identified weaknesses were in his scouting reports before he was drafted.

 

[HungryLion]

Omg Romo is retired. Get over it people.

Good lord. All this hand wringing over a QB who physically couldn’t stay healthy his last two years in the league.

I loved Romo. But his body was done.

Learn to cope with it.

 

[Trouty]

So what if that is what your talking about. You responded to what I said, which was :

Touche. My bad.

 

[khiladi]

But, you can't run simple college routes against most pro defenses..........and, that's what Dallas continues to do. No natural pick routes like NE and others, very few drags and slants, etc...........

Have you bothered to notice that Linehan has effectively squashed the seven-step drop for Dak? That is what pro football and QB'ing is primarily about...

And we are in a Coryell offense and we squashed it as the primary drop-back for him...

 

[Trouty]

Have you bothered to notice that Linehan has effectively squashed the seven-step drop for Dak? That is what pro football and QB'ing is primarily about...

How many up and comers are primarily using 7 foot drop backs in their year 2?

 

[Cebrin]

real fans understand that we have a 2nd year qb who is playing with an offensive staff that doesn't adjust and is also playing without their elite running back and a beat up Tyron Smith. We understand that looking at the past, not even Romo could break out of 8 and 8 seasons until we solidified our O line and had a historic year from Demarco Murray. We realize that maybe an offense predicated on an elite running game is going to look like garbage without an elite runner. We sit back and we appreciate the victory and move on.

We also realize that 5 TD 7INT is not smart football, and cannot be blamed for a few players missing. If this were Romo, there would be 100 threads on here about how awful he is, and how he needs to go. Dak is a solid young QB. He needs work, and saying that out loud doesn't make you an Eagles fan. It makes you a fan spoiled to a franchise with 5 Superbowls, and elite QB play. I'm absolutely happy that we have a fan base that will not accept mediocrity.

If you're looking for pandering of mediocrity, @CowboysWillRise started a Jeff Heath Appreciation Thread.

 

[khiladi]

How many up and comers are primarily using 7 foot drop backs in their year 2?

In our offense, that was the PRIMARY... If your argument is that Dak is a better fit with another type of offense, I'd agree with you. But we aren't changing the offense, which is the reason we removed Callahan from play-calling and brought in LInehan. And in the draft-room, Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones were basically talking about Dak as a change-of-pace QB to run read-option here and there.

And we benched our starting QB, who could have played with Zeke, for this guy who had plenty of time to learn the game behind Romo... whoever made that decision needs to be fired...

 

[StillluvRomo]

There's nothing wrong with that. He was a borderline HoF QB. Amazing player.

I just don't think that justifies crucifying a second year QB who has played very well overall for two years and still has things to work on. There are very, VERY few second year QBs that don't need a good supporting cast (Wentz included as evidenced last year) to be effective.

Dak has got to improve his accuracy to get better. Can't throw a back shoulder fade. Cannot throw a receiver open. He needs everything in his favor to be decent. How many dropped interceptions has he thrown since he has been here. He has had a lot of luck so far. Coaches need to get more creative with the offense. We are so predictable it is funny. It seems the defense is in the huddle with us.

 

[Trouty]

In our offense, that was the PRIMARY... If your argument is that Dak is a better fit with another type of offense, I'd agree with you. But we aren't changing the offense, which is the reason we removed Callahan from play-calling and brought in LInehan. And in the draft-room, Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones were basically talking about Dak as a change-of-pace QB to run read-option here and there.

And we benched our starting QB, who could have played with Zeke, for this guy who had plenty of time to learn the game behind Romo... whoever made that decision needs to be fired...

Dude. LOL. Romo was destroyed from injuries. Khiladi, you're a Romo-truther, too? My gosh, man, didn't you see him getting shrek'd on the field? It was breaking my heart.

As for my question, it was a pretty clear question in response to the post I replied to, mon frere.