State of the Franchise

[Diehardblues]

Oh no, not at all. I'd be happy to discuss anything and everything else in the appropriate place. But seeing how this thread mentions "State of the Franchise", I don't think there are two bigger or more negative factors to discuss within that subject.

But if you want to start threads about other areas of this team - and its legitimate strengths in those areas - I'd be more than happy to discuss them.

I've said more than once that I firmly believe that a more capable coaching staff could win with this team's roster today.

Of course but are you prepared to accept that’s not a realistic option and what that means moving forward ?

 

[Stash]

Of course but are you prepared to accept that’s not a realistic option and what that means moving forward ?

I'm forced to accept current conditions to be sure. But I'm not forced to believe that this team, no matter what talent or assistants they acquire, will be able to overcome one arm tied behind their back.

 

[T-RO]

They have a lot to do with 22-10. They also have a lot to do with missing the playoffs five out of the last seven years.

Fair enough. But I'm not sure aside from Tony, that this team had much talent four-six years ago.

I'd be in favor with replacing the coaching staff if they don't make the playoffs and win the first playoff game in 2018. The talent should be there and it's time to prove something.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm forced to accept current conditions to be sure. But I'm not forced to believe that this team, no matter what talent or assistants they acquire, will be able to overcome one arm tied behind their back.

Totally agree we may not be able to overcome.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t retain some hope that with the right assistants and or talent it could remain possible however unlikely it appears to be. Even luck or a miracle could come into play like we saw in Minneapolis.

That’s enough to keep me engulfed in trying to find the right pieces to overcome given the handicaps we’re faced with retaining some interest to tune in each week.

 

[Stash]

Totally agree we may not be able to overcome.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t retain some hope that with the right assistants and or talent it could remain possible however unlikely it appears to be.

I'm tired of having to rely on "hope" as my strategy. How many years of futility do people need to see before they admit the reality of the situation?

And I don't want to hear about how the next coach "could be worse".
Could he win less Super Bowls?
Could he do even less with what he's been given?
I'll believe that when I see it.

For all of the criticisms the other coaches get, save for Campo, they all did more. And poor ol Dave had the excuse of a terrible cap and bare cupboard to fall back on.

Two things about that "next coach":

One, the guy has just as much of a chance to be better. It's not like there's much of a bar to reach.

Second, even if that next coach fails, he's not part of the Jones family circle and won't get 7 years and counting before he's thrown out.

So yeah, bring me change. If nothing changes, nothing changes.

 

[T-RO]

Good for you!!! It is a good thing to have a good attitude and be positive. And your list is somewhat impressive. However, I would point out that virtually every other NFL team could create a list that is just as impressive. Many one that is more impressive. But hope reigns eternal. It is always better to view the glass as half full.

I don't agree. Not a lot of other teams have:
-A top sack artist like Demarcus
-A linebacker like Lee
-Two very good emerging lock-down corners
-An All Pro Running back running behind *four* all-pro maulers up front
-A good young QB
-A deep d-line
-10 draft picks come April

*La'el could join the gang, joining Fredbeard, Martin and Smith as all-pros.

 

[jterrell]

So torn. Love the empty glass trophy case of Eagles failure. Respect Brady and the Brain, but I'm not sure I want them to win again.

My rooting interests:
1. Sinkhole.
2. Referees
3. Success for Amendola.
4. Streakers and pranksters
5. Pats
6. ISIS
7. Eagles

 

[T-RO]

State of intoxication in the front office
State of emergency on the sideline
State of confusion on the field

I'll give you a 'like' for the cleverness. But you are flat wrong.

 

[nightrain]

That's it?

It's all I can muster.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

Texas...duh

 

[T-RO]

Yeah, that's what it takes, a "man".

Approaching life with a positive attitude is required for success as a man, yes. Whiners are in the back of the class working on their spitballs.

 

[Stash]

Approaching life with a positive attitude is required for success as a man, yes. Whiners are in the back of the class working on their spitballs.

The only "whiner" I see is the one desperately scrambling to excuse failure.

And the Cowboys aren't "life".

 

[nightrain]

I'll give you a 'like' for the cleverness. But you are flat wrong.

Please share your state of the franchise statement. I've been a glass half empty guy for a spell, perhaps a fresh perspective will help.

 

[T-RO]

So does every discussion have to end with Jerry or Jason. How do we move forward with discussions and dialogue or should we just shut down the forum until Jerry and or Jason are gone.

Otherwise it becomes like the “We’ll never win with Romo ” rhetoric.

So strongly agree. It's like a religious doctrine for the negative nancy types. Something they chant while vaping. I swear some around here have a macro they type... NWWJ...and it auto-completes the whine.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Fair enough. But I'm not sure aside from Tony, that this team had much talent four-six years ago.

I'd be in favor with replacing the coaching staff if they don't make the playoffs and win the first playoff game in 2018. The talent should be there and it's time to prove something.

At a minimum, good coaches make the playoffs on a consistent basis, at least in my opinion. The NFL playoffs are a single elimination tournament; ergo, the odds of any one team winning the Super Bowl in a given year, even the best team in the league, are slim. Bad calls and fluky hail Mary’s happen every year. That’s why it is so important to make the playoffs as consistently as you can. Winning one Super Bowl isnt a one year goal. It’s a seven or eight year goal after youre good enough to start making the playoffs consistently.

 

[T-RO]

The only "whiner" I see is the one desperately scrambling to excuse failure.

And the Cowboys aren't "life".

22-10 isn't failure. Sorry you don't get that.

Our fandom is a part of our lives. Being a whiny fan isn't a good look and it's bad for digestion.

 

[jterrell]

I don't agree. Not a lot of other teams have:
-A top sack artist like Demarcus
-A linebacker like Lee
-Two very good emerging lock-down corners
-An All Pro Running back running behind *four* all-pro maulers up front
-A good young QB
-A deep d-line
-10 draft picks come April

*La'el could join the gang, joining Fredbeard, Martin and Smith as all-pros.

If other teams have this great a future let's see those lists, lol.

The 2 teams in the SB are:
Pats:
Brady is old as dirt.
Belicheck supposedly beefing with ownership.
Losing more assistant coaches again.
List of FA include the LT and a starting CB plus Amendola and Dion Lewis who are currently key offensive performers for insanely cheap.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/new-england-patriots/

Eagles:
7m over cap
1 pick in top 120.
Nigel Bradham and Patrick Robinson are FA in line for MASSIVE raises.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/philadelphia-eagles/

 

[T-RO]

At a minimum, good coaches make the playoffs on a consistent basis, at least in my opinion. The NFL playoffs are a single elimination tournament; ergo, the odds of any one team winning the Super Bowl in a given year, even the best team in the league, are slim. Bad calls and fluky hail Mary’s happen every year. That’s why it is so important to make the playoffs as consistently as you can. Winning one Super Bowl isnt a one year goal. It’s a seven or eight year goal after youre good enough to start making the playoffs consistently.

I agree with your general sentiment here. I am fully on board w/a coaching overhaul if these coaches can't deliver with this upcoming cupboard full of groceries.

 

[T-RO]

If other teams have this great a future let's see those lists, lol.

The 2 teams in the SB are:
Pats:
Brady is old as dirt.
Belicheck supposedly beefing with ownership.
Losing more assistant coaches again.
List of FA include the LT and a starting CB plus Amendola and Dion Lewis who are currently key offensive performers for insanely cheap.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/new-england-patriots/

Eagles:
7m over cap
1 pick in top 120.
Nigel Bradham and Patrick Robinson are FA in line for MASSIVE raises.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/philadelphia-eagles/

The Patriot run ends quite soon.

As for the Eagles: glad to hear they're offseason is screwed. We'll have to get past them and this will help.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm tired of having to rely on "hope" as my strategy. How many years of futility do people need to see before they admit the reality of the situation?

And I don't want to hear about how the next coach "could be worse".
Could he win less Super Bowls?
Could he do even less with what he's been given?
I'll believe that when I see it.

For all of the criticisms the other coaches get, save for Campo, they all did more. And poor ol Dave had the excuse of a terrible cap and bare cupboard to fall back on.

Two things about that "next coach":

One, the guy has just as much of a chance to be better. It's not like there's much of a bar to reach.

Second, even if that next coach fails, he's not part of the Jones family circle and won't get 7 years and counting before he's thrown out.

So yeah, bring me change. If nothing changes, nothing changes.

It’s fairly obvious 22 years hasn’t been long enough for Cowboy fans to give up hope. Maybe 30 or 40 years will be? We still have 2 generation of fans who hold our championship pedigree as the bar here.

Hope Is really all we have in our current situation. That’s the mentality of a mediocre/ dormant franchise which is what we’ve become regardless of our history or popularity holding out for a glimmer of hope or luck, maybe a miracle. Welcome to the 21st Century Dallas Cowboys!