Can DJ Moore be an effective 1 WR in the NFL?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Moore played split end mostly in college and they moved him around constantly. He high points balls and wins on fades and go routes. Sure he can do all the curls and lateral slot stuff too but he has the size and strength to play outside.

People act like he is built like Beasley. He is a truck at 6' 215. The 4.42 40 was impressive but it was the 4.07 shuttle, 40" vert and 11' bj that stood out. Dude is quick fast and explosive at a stocky 215.

One thing I learned a while ago is that the draft cottage industry has a lot of groupthink going on. I stopped playing attention to them and started to look myself awhile ago.

 

[NolanRyan77]

It would behoove you to read more scouting reports. You can claim there's not proof of anything if you want, like the moon landing. However, I really think you should go ask some really knowledgeable football guys, it's really just a well known fact that the 40 doesn't measure long speed.

Apparently Moore is your pet cat. I have mine also. It's OK, however, if he's not perfect. Not admitting he doesn't have the long speed of other WR's doesn't make him acquire it.

Catch up speed and long speed can be the same thing. It's like two different assets, not sure how they can be compared. Catch up speed is not a term widely used, the terms used for mirroring a WR for a Cb are generally burst out of the breaks, lateral agility, and long speed. If the term "catch up speed" were defined, it would apparently be a combination of burst and simply pure speed.

Trust me man I read scouting reports all the time and listen to scout podcasts every day. I understand your point but it doesn't make sense to me. How many times on tape are you watching receiver run 60-80 yards straight down the field and how can you quantify that to say that Ridley's long speed is better than Moore's? You can't. That's what im saying. If you say Dane Brugler thinks that Ridley has better long speed, that's an opinion not a fact. I try to work off of facts. The fact is Moore ran a better 40 than Kirk and Ridley. He's not my pet cat, I do like him a lot.

Catch up speed is different from long speed. Catch up speed works off of the assumption that the CB made a mistake, jumped a route, etc and has to make up that speed to catch a WR. Long speed is just pure straight line speed and yes I agree in both catch up and long speed, burst and pure speed are a necessity.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I’m still waiting for someone to explain why Williams is an outside wr and Moore can’t be one. I won’t hold my breathe for a real answer though

Maybe the ones who think he can’t be can email Kiper for an answer.

 

[NolanRyan77]

Why did he run a 4.52 at the combine then? And he never looked like a 4.3 guy on the field. This is why I’m trying to understand what makes Williams an outside wr but not Moore.

no you are right. I made a mistake thought he ran high 4.3's at combine.

 

[kskboys]

Why did he run a 4.52 at the combine then? And he never looked like a 4.3 guy on the field. This is why I’m trying to understand what makes Williams an outside wr but not Moore.

Lack of long speed.

Which is simple surmising, since he did most of his damage in college on "simple complementary patterns llike quick screens, curls, and drag routes".

Hey, it's mostly guesswork, but maybe he has better long speed than is being guessed at right now.

And, BTW, I do like him. Thing is, we have two slot WR's, so if we take him we'd be taking a gamble that he's more than a slot guys. I love his burst and acceleration.

Hey, you know, maybe we should draft him as our 3rd down back. Wonder if he's ever carried the ball?

 

[kskboys]

I’m still waiting for someone to explain why Williams is an outside wr and Moore can’t be one. I won’t hold my breathe for a real answer though

Maybe the ones who think he can’t be can email Kiper for an answer.

The projection is that he lacks the length and leaping ability to provide much of a perimeter threat.

Plus, it would prolly be a waste of his talent. This dude will tear teams up w/ the short and intermediate stuff.

 

[reddyuta]

you to remember too that The Terps lost their top 3 or 4 QBs just this year and he still was voted the best WR in the big 10.

 

[NolanRyan77]

The projection is that he lacks the length and leaping ability to provide much of a perimeter threat.

Plus, it would prolly be a waste of his talent. This dude will tear teams up w/ the short and intermediate stuff.

Length does not mean anything on the outside. Explosiveness and build give a better idea of what Wr's can be on the outside. Fitz is now a slot guy because of the lack of explosivness while guys like Edelman, amendola, tate, Baldwin thrive on the perimeter.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Is Moore faster than Terrance Williams, yes or no?

Yes. That's hardly an elite club, and doesn't address my points.

How does being a slot WR who is faster than Williams make him a good fit for our needs?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The projection is that he lacks the length and leaping ability to provide much of a perimeter threat.

Plus, it would prolly be a waste of his talent. This dude will tear teams up w/ the short and intermediate stuff.

And then you watch him play and you see him win on gos, fades, and posts downfield high pointing balls.

People thought he was going to be 5'9". They were wrong. And if they thought he couldn't jump they are ignorant particularly after he put up a 40" vert.

 

[NolanRyan77]

Yes. That's hardly an elite club, and doesn't address my points.

How does being a slot WR who is faster than Williams make him a good fit for our needs?

Who is the slot receiver you are referring too and why is he a slot guy?

 

[stilltheguru88]

Yes. That's hardly an elite club, and doesn't address my points.

How does being a slot WR who is faster than Williams make him a good fit for our needs?

I don’t think I was even talking to you but ok. What makes Moore a slot wr the millionth time? You want speed? He just ran a4.42. Lol

 

[stilltheguru88]

And then you watch him play and you see him win on gos, fades, and posts downfield high pointing balls.

People thought he was going to be 5'9". They were wrong. And if they thought he couldn't jump they are ignorant particularly after he put up a 40" vert.

People just don’t want to go back on their initial analysis. Internet Mel Kiper syndrome

 

[NolanRyan77]

I don’t think I was even talking to you but ok. What makes Moore a slot wr the millionth time? You want speed? He just ran a4.42. Lol

Lol thank you. People want to kill Dez (a boundary receiver) because of his lack of speed and route running. Yet there is a guy who is 6 foot 210 pounds that ran a 4.42, runs great routes and hes not a boundary guy. People want a Julio Jones and that's not a possibility, Guys like him who are lengthy and have top end speed are a once in a decade player and go in the top 5. It doesn't make sense.

 

[DFWJC]

DJ Moore has become a hot name right now, likely pushing himself well into round 1 with an outstanding combine.

The question I pose to you fellow Zoners: Can DJ Moore become an effective #1 WR in the NFL

Why do you guys keep pushing Moore "well in to round 1"?
This guy is good, no doubt. But he may end up being the 4th or 5th WR taken.
Could go way earlier,but would be zero surprise to me if he's there in the 50s

It's fine that there are 3-5 guys here that are huge fans (it seems every other thread is about him now) but I wouldnt be so quick to assume NFL GMs are equally impressed.

Someone may fall in love. It happenes every year. So he might go early, but I sure wouldnt count on it.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Hey, you know, maybe we should draft him as our 3rd down back.

I like Elliot as our 3rd down back. Supposed to be able to do everything, and I trust him to get that extra yard to keep the chains moving.

Let some other RB get pounded between the tackles for a few plays. Make Elliot a cornerstone of our passing game.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

He isn't a prototypical #1 WR, but can be a very good #2 WR who is playing #1 which isn't a bad thing in todays NFL.
Lions have 2 #2 and they are both very good in Tate and Jones III.
Vikings have 2 #2 and they are also both very good in Diggs and Thielen.

With todays spread type offenses and with bigger CB's the prototypical big #1 WR is more great but is also a huge hindrance on salary cap space and takes away from having a truly diverse offensive scheme of playing the matchups.

Guys like DJ Moore and Anthony Miller aren't going to be Julio Jones and AJ Green type guys but if I can get guys who can create separation and make plays with the ball in there hands your offense will have consistency because you are reliant up 1 WR.

With that being said DJ Moore is exactly what I'm looking for in a WR, and if I can cut Dez add cap space to re-sign our own and maybe go out and sign someone like Emmanuel Sanders to a 2-3 year deal I think this offense is better off.

 

[NolanRyan77]

Why do you guys keep pushing Moore "well in to round 1"?
This guy is good, no doubt. But he may end up being the 4th or 5th WR taken.
Could go way earlier,but would be zero surprise to me if he's there in the 50s

Because hes a first round player. After ridley, hes the next best option. Teams have been scared of the big receiver that cant run because of guys like Benjamin and Treadwell. Teams want faster better route runners. Sutton has the length and lacks the speed. Kirk can play on the outside but Moore is the better option, more explosive and faster. Gallup and Moore are the same but Moore ran a whole tenth faster. Same goes for Washington. Moore clearly separated himself as the #2 wr

 

[DFWJC]

Because hes a first round player. After ridley, hes the next best option. Teams have been scared of the big receiver that cant run because of guys like Benjamin and Treadwell. Teams want faster better route runners. Sutton has the length and lacks the speed. Kirk can play on the outside but Moore is the better option, more explosive and faster. Gallup and Moore are the same but Moore ran a whole tenth faster. Same goes for Washington. Moore clearly separated himself as the #2 wr

Only with you and a few other guys. That's fine, btw.

Im not saying your For sure wrong, I'm just saying I think the VAST majority disagree thats he's the 1st or 2nd best WR. You think an underwear olympics day pushed him ahead of Sutton, Kirk and others. Im not so sure the NFL GMs will agree.

 

[NolanRyan77]

Only with you and a few other guys. That's fine, btw.

Im not saying your wrong, I'm just saying I think the VAST majority disagree thats he's the 1st or 2nd best WR. You think an underwear olympics day pushed him ahead of Sutton, Kirk and others. Im not so sure the NFL GMs will agree.

I absolutely do. When guys are clumped together like Sutton, kirk, and moore, GM's and scouts look for any reason to separate them. Why do you think John Ross went 9 overall? Why did Will Fuller go in the first round? Because of the underwear Olympics.