Calling all Dez haters (Performance Film Study)

[Hawkeye0202]

 

[jrumann59]

OK....so we see ALL his good side... where is the bad? Dez has laid down the past 2 seasons and dropped more balls then he has caught, you ask me, my bet is Dak has gotten tired of him dropping, flat out missing or tipping it to the defenders and stopped looking at Dez. Can he be a great/good WR? YES, but not if he isn't in the game. Dak is NOT Romo, Dez needs to take it upon himself to get with Dak and those 2 hit the damn field and learn to hook it up. I'll say this last thing on this, im betting 2018 is a Dak/Dez popcorn eating season...just my gut feeling.

So Dez dropped 70 passes last year. When you start with hyperbole it is hard to take you seriously. Do you know for a fact Dez has not tried to get with Dak, I mean the same people that "hate" on Dez making assumptions also give Dak a pass. For Dez and Dak to work it has to be a two way street if one does not want to do the work what choice does the other have. Dak and Dez should be slamming in to each other to work on chemistry instead one waiting idly by petting their monkey or partying on a boat.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

2017 is all you need to look at. The drops and turnovers were stunning. Lots of evidence out there.

No one is saying he's perfect. Most of those plays in the video were last year (2017-18)

 

[CATCH17]

I agree with the OP. Dez Bryant is the single best outlet to spend 17m$ in cap space next season. What are you going to do, cut him and pay Earl thomas? OBJ? With Dez you’re getting 100 yards for every 2m$ you give him. That’s a steal.

I'm all for cutting Dez if the reason is that they just don't know how to get their WR's involved or they think it's an overrated position.

But to sign OBJ? Just another waste.

Dallas shouldn't waste resources on guys they can't use.

Dez's money and how he is used is a BIG problem I admit. Dez can still play though.

 

[jrumann59]

What is this rambling?

The truth is in the middle. Dez has some issues of his own creation. To deny that is absurd. It wasn't Dak that forced him to have his worst year in terms of drops last year. If Dez was so good on route running, why waste time going to a WR "specialist" to work on his route running skills?

This isn't an excuse for Dak, who I tend to agree, is a very risky proposition at this point to think is the long term future at QB here.

Not saying he is Jerry Rice but Rice, Brown, Irvin, TO, all the greats worked on their routes until they retired. As you lose speed the one place you can make up separation in route running

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL at you criticizing anyone for "whining".

And the point with Bryant going to a route running specialist is that a 29 year old WR normally doesn't have to go to a specialist to work on route running, if indeed, he's great at as you have said. Like you always do, you jump to conclusions largely to fit your narrative and argument. I applaud him for working on stuff he feels he needs to work on and going to that guy. I've also said multiple times, I don't think they should cut him. I think people that believe we can find his talent and production off the street are misguided.

But I won't be blind to the reality that some of his issues are self inflicted.

Your exclamation of "geebus" reads like whining. It is what it is. You are being confronted. Now deal with it.

And what basis do you have for what is "normal" for WR to train with in the offseason? Oh yeah, nothing. He didn't "have" to do it. It was completely voluntary.

I did arrive at a conclusion: that your begging the question was assuming a negative answer, specifically in this case, that he is only doing it because he has to do it. You just confirmed it. You whining about me arriving at conclusions is quite ironic given you admitted the negative conclusion don't you think?

 

[G2]

The narrative is that he cannot get separation on anything other than the hitch, slant, and go. Do you agree that that narrative is false after watching 130+ plays showing him getting separation on those other routes?

I get that you are emotionally invested in not liking Dez and want to hold onto that but let's talk specifics instead.

Notice I didn't claim that he didn't get separation? I just got done saying that I don't hate Dez, can you even read? Emotionally invested? Lmao, sure. Whatever you say.

I couldn't possibly care less about hand picked plays. The past will not change. Last season, Dez fell off and he even admitted his shortcomings. Why can't his beloved supporters?

 

[Sydla]

Not saying he is Jerry Rice but Rice, Brown, Irvin, TO, all the greats worked on their routes until they retired. As you lose speed the one place you can make up separation in route running

Again, I am not knocking him for working on getting better.

And I've never said he's a horrible route runner or can only run 2-3 route. But I also don't believe he's great at it either. I think the fact he went to a route running specialist, which I think is great, is because with the chatter that the Cowboys were thinking of dumping him, he realized he needed to get better in that area and send a message to the front office he's serious about getting better.

 

[G2]

No one is saying he's perfect. Most of those plays in the video were last year (2017-18)

Great! But the body of work from last season means more to me than just his good plays.

Imagine if I created a thread of just Dez's drops and turnovers? The Dezzies would riot in the streets.

Nut I get it. Let's just talk about the warm, fuzzy and happy plays!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Notice I didn't claim that he didn't get separation? I just got done saying that I don't hate Dez, can you even read? Emotionally invested? Lmao, sure. Whatever you say.

I couldn't possibly care less about hand picked plays. The past will not change. Last season, Dez fell off and he even admitted his shortcomings. Why can't his beloved supporters?

There are about 500 or so pass plays in a season season. That video has about 120 of them. Exactly how many do you think there needs to be before it is not cherry picked and represents a sufficient sample?

You guys act like it is a highlight of a dozen plays. That is not the case.

 

[Sydla]

Your exclamation of "geebus" reads like whining. It is what it is. You are being confronted. Now deal with it.

And what basis do you have for what is "normal" for WR to train with in the offseason? Oh yeah, nothing. He didn't "have" to do it. It was completely voluntary.

I did arrive at a conclusion: that your begging the question was assuming a negative answer, specifically in this case, that he is only doing it because he has to do it. You just confirmed it. You whining about me arriving at conclusions is quite ironic given you admitted the negative conclusion don't you think?

No one said he "had" to do anything. Just like I never said anything about how he can only run three routes or can't beat top CBs or get separation anymore.

But sure, let's keep just making crap up and creating strawman arguments, something you thrive at.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Great! But the body of work from last season means more to me than just his good plays.

Imagine if I created a thread of just Dez's drops and turnovers? The Dezzies would riot in the streets.

Nut I get it. Let's just talk about the warm, fuzzy and happy plays!

There are those videos too. He only had 9 drops and fewer picks. Only a couple of the picks are where they clang off his hands and an equal number are horrid throws by Dak.

But hey if you want to present said evidence then go for it. Assuming that it provides the conclusion you want it to is garbge.

 

[Sydla]

Notice I didn't claim that he didn't get separation? I just got done saying that I don't hate Dez, can you even read? Emotionally invested? Lmao, sure. Whatever you say.

I couldn't possibly care less about hand picked plays. The past will not change. Last season, Dez fell off and he even admitted his shortcomings. Why can't his beloved supporters?

Welcome to Fuzzy's world.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Notice I didn't claim that he didn't get separation? I just got done saying that I don't hate Dez, can you even read? Emotionally invested? Lmao, sure. Whatever you say.

I couldn't possibly care less about hand picked plays. The past will not change. Last season, Dez fell off and he even admitted his shortcomings. Why can't his beloved supporters?

Sure Dez fell off a little, but not at the rate I see posted in here or blasted in the media. I feel this will be a "comeback" season for Dez

 

[G2]

There are about 500 or so pass plays in a season season. That video has about 120 of them. Exactly how many do you think there needs to be before it is not cherry picked and represents a sufficient sample?

You guys act like it is a highlight of a dozen plays. That is not the case.

Did you watch the video? I did. And even the hand picked plays were not all that great. It's getting blown out of proportion. Because he catches a pass doesn't mean he's some genius route runner. Big deal, you found footage of what Dez is SUPPOSED to do.
Now if he can get his head out of his backside, stop dropping passes, stop fumbling, stop whining on the sideline - crying for the ball in a game we were winning etc....

I choose to look at the entire body of work. Feel free to just point out the sugar coated unicorn dream plays.

 

[Sydla]

Sure Dez fell off a little, but not at the rate I see posted in here or blasted in the media.

And those that are over the top in the criticism are being ridiculous.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No one said he "had" to do anything. Just like I never said anything about how he can only run three routes or can't beat top CBs or get separation anymore.

But sure, let's keep just making crap up and creating strawman arguments, something you thrive at.

a 29 year old WR normally doesn't have to go to a specialist to work on route running

Not a strawman. has is a different tense sure but it is the exact same state of being verb. I will even bold it for you. Own it, Syd.

And once again with the whining. How about you man up and admit that Dez didn't have to do that and your assumed answer of your begged question was disproven and just move on? Can you get over yourself long enough to do that or you just going to play the victim?

 

[G2]

There are those videos too. He only had 9 drops and fewer picks. Only a couple of the picks are where they clang off his hands and an equal number are horrid throws by Dak.

But hey if you want to present said evidence then go for it. Assuming that it provides the conclusion you want it to is garbge.

I HAVE posted factual and clear evidence of garbage plays. But the same thing happens every time. The Dezzies flock in full force when the bad man says hurt words about Bryant. Supply evidence and it's crickets. It get's completely ignored. So I don't bother to respond to the posturing Dezzies who demand evidence be offered. Go look it up yourself.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did you watch the video? I did. And even the hand picked plays were not all that great. It's getting blown out of proportion. Because he catches a pass doesn't mean he's some genius route runner. Big deal, you found footage of what Dez is SUPPOSED to do.
Now if he can get his head out of his backside, stop dropping passes, stop fumbling, stop whining on the sideline - crying for the ball in a game we were winning etc....

I choose to look at the entire body of work. Feel free to just point out the sugar coated unicorn dream plays.

You clearly do not understand what makes a sufficient sample size. It is footage of what your side is claiming that he cannot do. Not only that but it is against top competition. AKOYE's point is made with the veracity of over 100 plays.

I get that you want to change the narrative to something else but as long as you don't peddle the crap lines about Dez can only run 3 routes then I will be satisfied.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I HAVE posted factual and clear evidence of garbage plays. But the same thing happens every time. The Dezzies flock in full force when the bad man says hurt words about Bryant. Supply evidence and it's crickets. It get's completely ignored. So I don't bother to respond to the posturing Dezzies who demand evidence be offered. Go look it up yourself.

BS it gets ignored. I myself have responded to it much like I am doing here. If there is a youtube then post it. You don't get to grandstand on something not presented. That is just weak.

We support our side with evidence and you don't. That is all I see.