Why hasn't Dez signed yet

[Corso]

All actual evidence to the contrary...

I'm more concerned with why did they not designate him a 6/1 cut? Why did they feel the need for that 8.5?

 

[Stash]

I'm more concerned with why did they not designate him a 6/1 cut? Why did they feel the need for that 8.5?

I'd say to give them flexibility in case they choose to do something, not because they have definite plans for it. Essentially keeping their options open would be my guess.

 

[Proof]

I've seen it written several times the Cowboys would have gained back more salary cap space had they waited until June 1 to cut him. I don't know how accurate that is, but if true the Cowboys actually could have made it much worse for Dez.

That's if the "designated" him a post June 1st cut. Had they waited any longer, as of Monday his contract would have been fully guaranteed against injury. They couldn't have made it any worse for him.

 

[Proof]

They could have designated him for June 1st if they wanted to, like they did with Scandrick.

They chose not to go that route.

And they couldn't have waited longer because the team workouts have started. If Dez was out there and got hurt, they'd be forced to pay him.

No, they waited as long as they could to do this, with no incentive to do so, other than spite.

Sorry, didn't see you'd already addressed this.

 

[Kevinicus]

Can you say what was wrong with what I wrote? I said specifically said things like "I believe" and "if accurate", so I indicated I wasn't sure. Your post doesn't indicate you know even as much as I do.

Sure...

What I believe it was, or at least what I believe I read, was that if they waited until June 1 to cut Dez he wouldn't have counted against the salary cap at all...

No idea where you think you read this, but wherever it was, it's wrong. Waiting until June 1 (or more accurately, designating him a June 1 cut) would mean the dead money applied to the cap would be split over two years instead of all counting against this year. Dez still has a cap hit this year, and if they would have designated for June 1, it would mean that cap hit would have been half this year and half next year. It also means that the cap ramifications of the cut would not be in effect until June 1, so his full salary would still be on the books. He would just be free to find a new team.

, but since workouts would have started by then, if Dez got hurt in the meantime they would have been stuck with the full salary. If this is accurate, technically the team could have simply held Dez out of workouts until June 1, then released him. Admittedly that would have probably not been viewed very favorably by players or fans.

They could have waited until June 1, but they would have no reason to do so as the June 1 designation accomplishes the same thing but gives the player a chance to sign sooner.

 

[jrumann59]

You wanted it front and center when you thought Dez was staying. Lol

There you go call someone out now that result you wanted to happen came true but you were not nearly as "sure" when I issued a wager to all you guys that adamantly thought he was going to be cut.

 

[Sydla]

I'm more concerned with why did they not designate him a 6/1 cut? Why did they feel the need for that 8.5?

In the end, it probably doesn't matter. They won't use up the $8.5 they saved and can then roll over the savings into next year's cap. Sure, they may have had a larger cap savings this year if they made him a June 1, but the roll over would then have been offset by the $4MM in dead money they would have to take in 2019.

There is no dead money next year if they take the full cap hit now.

 

[Stash]

Sorry, didn't see you'd already addressed this.

No problem. It seems that people just ignore those facts and come up with their own answers anyway. Truth be damned.

 

[Corso]

In the end, it probably doesn't matter. They won't use up the $8.5 they saved and can then roll over the savings into next year's cap. Sure, they may have had a larger cap savings this year if they made him a June 1, but the roll over would then have been offset by the $4MM in dead money they would have to take in 2019.

There is no dead money next year if they take the full cap hit now.

Are you listening to Linkin Park again?

Darn! You edited your post.

 

[elcowboi]

It could be because teams already spent a lot in FA and they are preparing for the draft. The Cowboys knew they were going to let him go and they should have let him go at the beginning of FA. I hope that move doesn't stop FA from coming to the Cowboys in the future.

 

[OmerV]

Well no... for Dez, it would have been the same as now. He'd be cut and a FA immediately and the Cowboys get more cap relief, but they don't get it til after 6/1.
Dez would be in the exact same situation as now.

Okay, gotcha. So the June 1 date would just be a designation that indicates when the cap relief hits but is not related to when Dez would be available to sign with another team.

I'm glad we have someone knowledgeable about this to turn to. Thanks again.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I heard this morning that the Cowboys tried hard to trade him, but no team would take on his contract. Couldn't even get a 7th round pick for him because of that salary.

He's probably looking at a 1-year prove-it deal for about $6 million.

Roc Nation is useless. They don't work hard for their clients.

Roc Nation is dookie

 

[Jake]

What going on here us that people are trying to equate Dez not signing with Dez must suck this prove the cowboys were right to cut him.

The only thing that will prove that us the 2018 aeason, if Dez goes to a new team and have bad numbers, then the Dez sucks crowd was right. But..........

People get so extreme here: "Dez sucks! "Dez is awesome!" Dez doesn't suck but he's not the All Pro receiver he used to be, either.

I still believe his release was a combination of a lot of things, one of which was simply Dez fatigue.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

All Dez is going to receive is a one or two year base contract with a lot of incentives.....

Yup. It will be something like the Greg Hardy contract.

 

[Aviano90]

People get so extreme here: "Dez sucks! "Dez is awesome!" Dez doesn't suck but he's not the All Pro receiver he used to be, either.

I still believe his release was a combination of a lot of things, one of which was simply Dez fatigue.

Man, it's the either/or, this or that, with us or against us, world we live in now.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If there was a demand for Dez, there would be a massive rush to sign him quickly. There's just not.

If the Texans released Deandre Hopkins, he'd have 10 offers by midnight.

How do you know Dez has no offers?

Attacking Roc Nation that has an impressive list of clients, many of whom are on big deals, and then asserting you have knoweldge you don't isn't a great look.

 

[erod]

Dez got screwed by being released so late into the offseason.

If he was in demand, he'd have a line of teams going after him.

He's not, so he doesn't.

 

[LocimusPrime]

 

[OmerV]

You'd have to show me evidence of where they took three weeks after Hurns was signed to "trade Dez."

Otherwise, it simply sounds like another excuse someone created to make them look less bad than they do now.

Looking at the timeline. They announced March 23 that they had agreed to terms with Hurns. Assuming a minimum of a day to negotiate all the details, we'll say the contract was signed on March 24. On April 11 it was reported Jerry was planning to meet with Dez 2 days later. That leaves 2 1/2 weeks (17 days plus or minus a day) between signing Hurns contract and Jerry apparently deciding they were ready to let Dez go. Did they take the full 17 or so days trying to trade him? Or one week? Or something more or less than one week? Who knows? There is no way to prove how much time they used. Either way, it's not a huge amount of time. Who knows, since Hurns slary isn't huge, they may have still been weighing keeping both Dez and Hurns for awhile. In the end, I can't say for certain there was no spite, but I can say for certain that spite is not the only possible explanation.

 

[erod]

Maybe you’re right.

But Hopkins may also wait until after the draft when teams feel more pressure to upgrade a hole they didn’t fill in the draft. He could maximize his value.

Dallas didn’t do Dez any favors by releasing him so late—-most of the teams that wanted to be active in free agency already spent their funds on guys that were available.

For example, Commanders gave 40 million dollars to Paul Richardson. I’m sure they would be in the market for a receiver like Dez if not for that. The same can be said for several teams who already spent money on receivers in free agency.

Dallas paid him $37 million guaranteed dollars for mediocre production.

I think the Cowboys have a right to seek a trade after paying that freight. Nobody was interested.