News: BTB: Dak Was Never the Problem, It Was the Receivers. Here’s the Proof

[zerofill]

I'm talking about the picks and Dez was vilified for both (despite Dak not making good throws on either). Again, catchable, but inaccurately thrown. I'd give most of the blame to Dak on the pass behind Dez and most of the blame to Dez on the low throw.

This all goes to Dak and Dez neither being able to play to the others skill set. Dez never was a reach behind me with glue gloves on like OBJ. So people can complain that he was making so much money that he should have caught it... Doesn't matter, he won't catch them 90% of the time. You either throw it to where he needs it to be, or don't bother throwing it to him. Dez couldn't adjust too Dak's throwing, and Dak couldn't adjust to how Dez needed it. That was really all it came down to. Plus the one behind him was slung hard... so still pretty hard to reach around and catch that. Thing ricochet at 90 mph lol. The interception was 100% luck for that DB or LB forget who was back there.

 

[Cap12]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You are mistaking being right about Mo for always being right which you are not... especially in this case. By the way, it's "Occam's razor". In two years of playing QB for the Cowboys, Dak earns league honors as Offensive Player of the Year and then has very similar stats the first half of his second season and then loses Tyron Smith(the guy that guards his blind side) and Zeke, the best RB in the league) and suddenly the offense can't do anything. Occam's razor says the simplest reason for this has something to do with Tyron Smith and Zeke not being on the field and not our good QB. Is that nuance enough for you?

This whole mythos of Dak playing stellar QB in the 1st half of 2017 is a bit overstated. Where was Dak in the 2nd half of the Rams game? Where was he against Denver? Dallas was relatively healthy in those games and Dak did not play that well. He even got lucky on a Dez TD that was thrown into the body of the Denver DB that Dez snatched away from him and a poorly thrown deep ball that Witten made a great adjustment on for another TD. Without those two plays Dak has about sixty fewer passing yards and 2 fewer TDs and quite likely, his 3rd pick of that game (he had two). Dak beat up on the hapless Giants, Cardinals, 49ers (pre Jimmy G) and Deadskins. Not exactly difficult competition.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I can’t wait till this thread dies... It’s a slow painful death reading it.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You are mistaking being right about Mo for always being right which you are not... especially in this case. By the way, it's "Occam's razor". In two years of playing QB for the Cowboys, Dak earns league honors as Offensive Player of the Year and then has very similar stats the first half of his second season and then loses Tyron Smith(the guy that guards his blind side) and Zeke, the best RB in the league) and suddenly the offense can't do anything. Occam's razor says the simplest reason for this has something to do with Tyron Smith and Zeke not being on the field and not our good QB. Is that nuance enough for you?

I stopped reading your post when you corrected my spelling lol

 

[Whyjerry]

The Ravens confirmed it, Get with the news.

Confirmed by the Ravens...where? Do you know the difference between “reports” and “confirmed”. Newsome hasn’t said a thing. Don’t be a fool and assume the “news” represents the facts. Think about it, what idiot would turn down 3years for 21million for a one year deal. Even Dez is not that stupid. It has not been confirmed. “Reported” as multiple years, similar to Crabtree.

 

[Dre11]

Confirmed by the Ravens...where? Do you know the difference between “reports” and “confirmed”. Newsome hasn’t said a thing. Don’t be a fool and assume the “news” represents the facts. Think about it, what idiot would turn down 3years for 21million for a one year deal. Even Dez is not that stupid. It has not been confirmed. “Reported” as multiple years, similar to Crabtree.

I live in Md. on a Baltimore radio station they confirmed an offer was made. Get with the program.

 

[JoeKing]

This whole mythos of Dak playing stellar QB in the 1st half of 2017 is a bit overstated. Where was Dak in the 2nd half of the Rams game? Where was he against Denver? Dallas was relatively healthy in those games and Dak did not play that well. He even got lucky on a Dez TD that was thrown into the body of the Denver DB that Dez snatched away from him and a poorly thrown deep ball that Witten made a great adjustment on for another TD. Without those two plays Dak has about sixty fewer passing yards and 2 fewer TDs and quite likely, his 3rd pick of that game (he had two). Dak beat up on the hapless Giants, Cardinals, 49ers (pre Jimmy G) and Deadskins. Not exactly difficult competition.

He had 2 bad games, so what in the first half of the season. What you call "mythos", the rest of the NFL calls pro-bowl worthy. You complain about the schedule but Dak has no control over that. He can only play the teams they but in front of him.

 

[JoeKing]

I stopped reading your post when you corrected my spelling lol

I bet you do that alot. Way to cop out because you are losing the argument.

 

[Whyjerry]

I live in Md. on a Baltimore radio station they confirmed an offer was made. Get with the program.

Oh you heard it on the radio. Well that solves everything. Still can’t find the Newsome quote or the Harbaugh quote or or the Bisciotti quote or any one associated DIRECTLY with the Ravens. That said, think about this from the Dez angle. Does it make any sense to turn down that deal? Don’t be so guilable. The DC/Baltimore area is a swamp of fake news. Pull your head out of the sand and apply some reasoning and analysis.

 

[Dre11]

Oh you heard it on the radio. Well that solves everything. Still can’t find the Newsome quote or the Harbaugh quote or or the Bisciotti quote or any one associated DIRECTLY with the Ravens. That said, think about this from the Dez angle. Does it make any sense to turn down that deal? Don’t be so guilable. The DC/Baltimore area is a swamp of fake news. Pull your head out of the sand and apply some reasoning and analysis.

Pull your head out. It doesn’t haven’t to come from Newsome, Harbaugh, or Bisciotti, as they rarely talk about player negotiations, there are folks within the organization that’s privy to what happened. Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

 

[vampyro]

It was a combination of Dak and the receivers not getting open or dropping critical balls. In addition, defenses were ready for Beasley on 3rd down and Witten was MIA.

 

[Whyjerry]

Pull your head out. It doesn’t haven’t to come from Newsome, Harbaugh, or Bisciotti, as they rarely talk about player negotiations, there are folks within the organization that’s privy to what happened. Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

By that token you can say just because you believe it, doesn’t make it true. You probably liked unicorns back in the day too. Going to block you now because I find you beyond irritating.

 

[CowboyStar88]

By that token you can say just because you believe it, doesn’t make it true. You probably liked unicorns back in the day too. Going to block you now because I find you beyond irritating.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Confirmed by the Ravens...where? Do you know the difference between “reports” and “confirmed”. Newsome hasn’t said a thing. Don’t be a fool and assume the “news” represents the facts. Think about it, what idiot would turn down 3years for 21million for a one year deal. Even Dez is not that stupid. It has not been confirmed. “Reported” as multiple years, similar to Crabtree.

Are you really that lost? You want absolutes from the top people and that rarely happens when a player does not sign an offer-sheet. It was beat to death here on this site when that report came to light. Dez has been holding out to join the Giants. NY is good for his brand with Roc Nation. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it “fake news”.

 

[AdamJT13]

Short checkdown passes can make your accuracy stats look phenominal.

Except that three different sources named Dak as one of the most accurate on passes thrown more than 16 or 20 yards downfield, and Dak had one of the LOWEST rates of "short checkdown passes." Of the 36 quarterbacks with at least 200 attempts last season, 29 of them threw a higher percentage of their passes either behind the line of scrimmage or less than 6 yards downfield.

Again, fans who "watch every game" and "trust what they saw" have no context for comparison. They don't realize that when every pass thrown in the NFL last season is analyzed, Dak was anything but a "dink and dunk" passer and anything but "below average" in accuracy.

I'm not talking about making the Super Bowl either... Like I said, I just want to at least see a Case Keenum, Jared Goff 2017 like season, for our QB.

So you want Dak to throw even MORE passes less than 6 yards downfield, throw more passes that should have been intercepted AND throw much less accurately on deep passes, on sideline passes and overall?

Interesting ...

 

[AdamJT13]

Nope. That's just editorializing on my part. They say "he's got improve" and Dak agrees. The numbers bear out how inaccurate he was in 2017. If they were happy with his progress they would have said something like, "we are happy with Dak's progress and are confident that he will continue to improve." Not "Everybody knows he's got to improve."

Every quarterback in the NFL can and should improve, even Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees (the two most accurate passers last season). But again, none of them said Dak is below average in accuracy -- and play-by-play analysis from four different sources refutes that claim.

 

[AdamJT13]

He even got lucky on a Dez TD that was thrown into the body of the Denver DB that Dez snatched away from him and a poorly thrown deep ball that Witten made a great adjustment on for another TD. Without those two plays Dak has about sixty fewer passing yards and 2 fewer TDs and quite likely, his 3rd pick of that game (he had two).

So a touchdown pass that the defensive back could not even deflect despite leaving his feet and reaching out for was somehow "thrown into the body" of that DB? (Let's just ignore the fact that Troy Aikman called it "perfectly thrown" two times right after the play.) And a 3-yard TD pass and a 28-yard TD pass combined to somehow give Dak an extra 60 yards passing?

You've made a habit of ignoring facts, but it's getting downright comical now.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I have not read all 19 pages so forgive me if this has already been discussed.

The article mentions, more than once, that coaching was just a big a problem last year as anything. I think the specific wording they used was that the coaches "were not up to the challenges of the season".

Head coach and offensive coordinator are still here............why should I expect them to be any better this year?

 

[starcity214]

I challenge ANY QB to have good footwork while laying on your arse. Or while your trying to set your feet,you get hit. The guy was asked to be a miracle worker under horrid conditions.One of those was the walking miracle we call Chaz Green! lol...MIRACLE because its a wonder Dak didn't get carried off by an ambulance. Tyron was Gawd awful.Cooper was nothin to write home about...

Carson Wentz was sacked more times than PRESCOTT last season..

Carson Wentz played less games than Prescott last season...

Carson Wentz didn't turn into Tim Tebow..

I mean, I know you need an excuse , but come on man..

Our OLine (while not the best last season) was middle of the pack in terms of sacks and that's counting that Atlanta debacle..

Also, I remember Dwight Freeney saying that he loved playing against "mobile" QBs in his day because he knew he had a chance to get a sack because "mobile" QBs tend to hold the ball longer and add the fact that Prescott needs to see his WRs get "open" before he throws them the ball and you are asking for sacks...

 

[PAPPYDOG]

lmao. So what else does Dak need? a whole new o-line now too? you people are nuts. Dak single handidly ruined this team. Dude is a bum. Brb, gonna go watch him get knocked out on YouTube.

It's not ENOUGH to have the best off-line and HB in the NFL for Dak to succeed at QB we want more talent for him NOW!
Get him Julio Jones and Antonio Brown I mean common now this is a team sport jeez some of you Dak Haters out there!

P.S. You could get a all pro Offense around him and he will still lay on egg on 3rd and 7+.....Noodle's anyone?