Dak vs. Romo - Deep passing

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak gets one more year to show that he can pilot the offense. His intangibles, leadership, and work ethic are all franchise caliber. Can he consistently deliver when he has to put the team on his back? He has had too many sub 200 yard performances for my liking-- and while others may blame the OL, Zeke suspension, Dez's attitude, WR corps issues, Witten's age, coaching staff etc... I tend to be a realist: Dak needs to play better in critical moments. Period.

He looks amazing for 24 games-- and terrifyingly pedestrian for 8 games. This season will reveal a lot about Dak. Hope he handles his business and proves the doubters wrong.

Okay, so kick Dak out and replace him with whom? Who is your golden child?

 

[Aviano90]

Look at the mirror image of those stats and tell me it isn't the infernal offensive scheme?

Yep. And not throwing deep was a concern in the Romo years too. Here is an article from the 2012 season discussing.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2013/07/10/rtn-tony-romo-dez-bryant-and-throwing-it-deep

 

[glimmerman]

So in 2 years Dak managed to average the numbers that Romo amassed over an entire career. LOL, you do know how an average works right?

No I would like to see averages from maybe Romo 1st 2 years of starting. Compare years for years not Romos whole career vs Daks 2 years.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Analytics are gonna be the death of real football. I watched Romo, Aikman, and Staubach trust me Dak ain't on any of those guys level. He may have benefited from stepping into a better situation than the others, but I have yet to see Dak wow me with his talent.

Lol, forget facts and figures. Trust a fan's eye.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

No I would like to see averages from maybe Romo 1st 2 years of starting. Compare years for years not Romos whole career vs Daks 2 years.

Again, averages. You are compiling Romo's entire career but the picture it gives you is that Romo's entire career amounted to numbers the Dak is averaging in just two years of playing football in the league.

I do suspect a lot of what we are seeing from Romo's stats have to do with the awful Jason Garrett offense. That of course has carried on to Dak. Just because they put Linehan in charge didn't change the playbook.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

It's how far the ball is thrown. Do you think 15% of Romo's and 14% of Dak's pass plays have resulted in negative yards?

It’s not. Air yards is a relatively new statistic. They most certainly don’t have that data going back to 2001. ESPN doesn’t even track QBR going back that far because they claim to not have sufficient archive footage.

 

[Aviano90]

It’s not. Air yards is a relatively new statistic. They most certainly don’t have that data going back to 2001. ESPN doesn’t even track QBR going back that far because they claim to not have sufficient archive footage.

So you believe the statistic is showing that 15% of Romo's passes resulted in negative yardage behind the line of scrimmage, yes? And if it is yards gained, how do they have incomplete passes in the distance ranges?

 

[glimmerman]

Again, averages. You are compiling Romo's entire career but the picture it gives you is that Romo's entire career amounted to numbers the Dak is averaging in just two years of playing football in the league.

I do suspect a lot of what we are seeing from Romo's stats have to do with the awful Jason Garrett offense. That of course has carried on to Dak. Just because they put Linehan in charge didn't change the playbook.

I believe that Linehan was calling the plays but from JG playbook. I read somewhere that it has changed going into this season and now JG will no longer have anything to do with the Offense. But I don’t get that? Are they bringing in a whole new playbook, Lol. Or was Linehan really calling the plays he wanted to. And what is really going to change this year?

 

[LocimusPrime]

Unfortunately, this data is just for the actual yards of the play and not for the air yards traveled. So while I believe that the analysis is still fine as a blunt tool, it is not necessarily indicative of the depths of the field to which a QB will throw.
Romo shouldn’t be confused with Dan Fouts, but he was very willing to throw the ball to the deep middle of the field. Dak is just a dink and dunk guy.
Here’s a stat for Dak slobberers to chew on: under Dak “The Mad Bomber” Prescott, the Cowboys are 31st in the league in 20 yard pass plays since 2016:

http://pfref.com/tiny/GIERf

Tricky stats. Good eye on catching that one

 

[Denim Chicken]

https://brickwallblitz.com/2018/03/28/the-2017-18-deep-ball-project/


2. Dak Prescott
Efficiency Score: 1.76

What happened to Dak Prescott’s fan base? Everyone who praised him as an MVP candidate in his rookie season haven’t thought as highly of him in his sophomore season.

Prescott was good, not great in 2016. His downfield accuracy was solid, but not up to the task of the veteran quarterbacks, and his ability to throw into tight windows had ways to go.

So be surprised when I say Prescott was outstanding on deep passing in 2017.

What really stood out with Prescott is he was much more aggressive and in control of his offense. He was the most accurate quarterback on play action, 4th most under pressure, 2nd most on throws of 16-19 yards, and first on throws of 40+ yards. This was not the rookie season Dak Prescott.

Dak’s accuracy was phenomenal in spite of worse pass protection, more tight windows, and unreliable receivers. I can’t speak enough about how good he is under pressure–it reminds me of Tony Romo.

So don’t believe what you hear. Prescott did a great job managing a worse supporting cast, and was only behind one guy as the most efficient deep passer of 2017.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Lol, forget facts and figures. Trust a fan's eye.

Facts that figure what? Stats can be and most of the time skewed. I will continue to determine what's talent and what's not the old fashion way.

 

[LandryFan]

Dak is ahead of where Romo was after two years. Dak will be fine.

I was going to mention that a more accurate comparison would be Romo's first two years vs Dak's first two years. Would make more sense, but would still be grasping at straws, somewhat...the team Tony had his first two years was obviously different than the team Dak had for his first two.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Analytics are gonna be the death of real football. I watched Romo, Aikman, and Staubach trust me Dak ain't on any of those guys level. He may have benefited from stepping into a better situation than the others, but I have yet to see Dak wow me with his talent.

Since you watched those QBs tell us Aikmans numbers and how he looked the first couple of years

 

[LocimusPrime]

Numbers do lie. And they lie hard. I.e. first half of the season when Jaylon was tackling guys 6-8 yards pass the line of scrimmage. The stat guys just looks and says “wow he’s great....look at all those tackles”.

I have hope that Dak improves! We need him to be the best QB he can be. Go cowboys!

 

[ScipioCowboy]

3 seasons.
Averaged 1200 yards
Averaged 12.6 TDs
Averaged over 15 yards per catch

Romo didn’t start 3 full seasons, and TO’s last season in Dallas was fairly pedestrian for a number one (69 catches for 1052 yds).

In fact, TO’s only pro bowl season in Dallas was 2007.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Facts that figure what? Stats can be and most of the time skewed. I will continue to determine what's talent and what's not the old fashion way.

What NFL team do you scout for? I'll take stats over personal bias any day.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I believe that Linehan was calling the plays but from JG playbook. I read somewhere that it has changed going into this season and now JG will no longer have anything to do with the Offense. But I don’t get that? Are they bringing in a whole new playbook, Lol. Or was Linehan really calling the plays he wanted to. And what is really going to change this year?

I think the claim that JG won't have anything to do with the offense is to provide cover and essentially make Linehan the scapegoat. Over the years Linehan has been the OC the playbook hasn't changed. No new wrinkles added, heck we draft guys like Switzer and don't use him to his strength.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I was going to mention that a more accurate comparison would be Romo's first two years vs Dak's first two years. Would make more sense, but would still be grasping at straws, somewhat...the team Tony had his first two years was obviously different than the team Dak had for his first two.

Yea but people are still salty over Romo losing his job. It's not like we had a choice now was it? The guy kept getting hurt. Personally I'm glad that he got to exit the game and can stand on his own feet. God knows how many more hits it would have taken to land him in a wheelchair for life.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Since you watched those QBs tell us Aikmans numbers and how he looked the first couple of years

Proving my point, his numbers wasn't a reflection of his talent. Nor does it reveal the grit he played with.