Tyrone Crawford doesn't deserve the hate gets

[Hennessy_King]

And the person your speaking for said there was none. Stop arguing with me for the sake of it. Or don't. We're literally wasting time discussing nothing. Thanks.

You coming at other posters is hilarious. Hard to take you serious when under your profile pic you are praising a coward who took his own life.

 

[HungryLion]

You coming at other posters is hilarious. Hard to take you serious when under your profile pic you are praising a coward who took his own life.

If you think committing suicide automatically makes somebody a “coward” then you know jack squat about mental health.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This will be his last year as a Cowboy.

For the $4m in savings you get by cutting him can you replace his contribution? Maybe but it seems like a lateral move. I put him worth $5mm or $6m myself.

 

[glimmerman]

Not as much as a impact as he used to be but serviceable and makes some plays. Had a rough time staying healthy. There is a reason we signed him. People hate but we could have nick hadden playing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Colossal miscalculation by the FO. They gambled on him being the next star 3T in this league before he put anything on film showing he was that guy.

I don't blame him, I blame Jones and co for that blunder in thinking they outsmarted everyone.

However, he's a lunch pail leader and a versatile piece on the DL who shows up every week and is well respected. I do think the FO learned a thing about counting their chickens before they hatch after getting burned, they've been much more prudent in handing out big deals after this one.

i don't know that they think they outsmarted everyone. I do think they took a calculated risk that didn't pan out.

The real issue was that we switched to a 4-3 in the middle of his rookie deal, restarting the evaluation process, missed a year due to injury, and he flashed in his contract year; he does have the intangibles one looks for in terms of work ethic and leadership. I'm fine with risking such contracts on your own developed prospects that they are high on.

It's not like they paid him top dollar either; he's made half that the entire time. He's been about 10-20% overpaid; not good but not the end of the world either.

 

[Kolemmitt]

He should be your 3rd...maybe even 4th best DL and he'll flourish. When you rely on him to be your 1st or 2nd best DL then he's just not good enough to carry that responsibility.

That's how I view him. Now, if we can just keep our 1st and 2nd best linemen healthy and not suspended.

 

[Hennessy_King]

If you think committing suicide automatically makes somebody a “coward” then you know jack squat about mental health.

You don't know me fam.

 

[xwalker]

i don't know that they think they outsmarted everyone. I do think they took a calculated risk that didn't pan out.

The real issue was that we switched to a 4-3 in the middle of his rookie deal, restarting the evaluation process, missed a year due to injury, and he flashed in his contract year; he does have the intangibles one looks for in terms of work ethic and leadership. I'm fine with risking such contracts on your own developed prospects that they are high on.

It's not like they paid him top dollar either; he's made half that the entire time. He's been about 10-20% overpaid; not good but not the end of the world either.

@TheFinisher
Actually he showed ability at 3-tech but he kept getting injured.

He played most of one season with a bad shoulder and then most of the next season with a bad shoulder on the opposite side. Playing through the injuries made his performance at DT underwhelming. He required surgery after each of those seasons.

At DE he is very good against the run.

The fact that the starters at DT were 3-tech playing 1-tech Collins and Irving who is up and down on run defense made Crawford's run defense at DE more valuable than it might otherwise have been.

Having said all of that I'm sure Stephen Jones will give some consideration to Crawford's 6M salary when comparing him to players like Ealy at 1.25M of which 200K has already been paid.

Must gut feel is that Crawford is on the team for 2018 but there is a good chance that Taco becomes the starter and that a player like Ealy could out perform Crawford as a veteran rotational DE.

 

[buybuydandavis]

He doesn't excel@ no position.

Drafted as a 3-4 DE. It's his natural position. He's been playing out of position for years now.

 

[buybuydandavis]

@TheFinisher
Must gut feel is that Crawford is on the team for 2018 but there is a good chance that Taco becomes the starter and that a player like Ealy could out perform Crawford as a veteran rotational DE.

With a glut at RDE, particularly if Gregory comes back, Crawford becomes a pricey backup/progress stopper. Also, it's another roster spot at DE.

While his cap hit sucks, his salary really isn't that bad. He'd be a nice luxury. I'm mainly concerned about the roster spot.

 

[Trouty]

You coming at other posters is hilarious. Hard to take you serious when under your profile pic you are praising a coward who took his own life.

lmao

Henny, you try to hard to troll this forum. Cut out it, sugar

 

[HungryLion]

You don't know me fam.

An ignorant comment is an ignorant comment man. You don’t know Anthony Bourdain either but you called him a coward right?

 

[xwalker]

With a glut at RDE, particularly if Gregory comes back, Crawford becomes a pricey backup/progress stopper. Also, it's another roster spot at DE.

While his cap hit sucks, his salary really isn't that bad. He'd be a nice luxury. I'm mainly concerned about the roster spot.

Totally agree. The salary shouldn't matter unless the decision is close.

I'm also more concerned about not keeping too many limited upside veterans. That's why I posted about Ealy. Having both Ealy and Crawford as they-are-what-they-are veterans would limit spots for players with upside. I see them possibly competing for a spot even if they're both better than Gregory or Armstrong as of game 1.

Gregory is the biggest wildcard at DE. If available, they'll likely want to keep him on the 53; however, I don't know if he'll really be ready early in the season.

Crawford's experience playing DT helps him to some extent especially with Irving suspended and Collins returning from a broken foot.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Dak gets 100 times more hate than Crawford on this forum. And compare Daks salary and production to Crawfords.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I'm also more concerned about not keeping too many limited upside veterans. That's why I posted about Ealy. Having both Ealy and Crawford as they-are-what-they-are veterans would limit spots for players with upside. I see them possibly competing for a spot even if they're both better than Gregory or Armstrong as of game 1.

Gregory is the biggest wildcard at DE. If available, they'll likely want to keep him on the 53; however, I don't know if he'll really be ready early in the season.

Crawford's experience playing DT helps him to some extent especially with Irving suspended and Collins returning from a broken foot.

Nice thought about the similarities of Ealy and Crawford. Ealy isn't as much a veteran, but more of a short timer. Like Crawford *should* be with his cap hit and our apparent alternatives. Both are bridges as we wait on the younger guys on their rookie contracts, but if Ealy shines, maybe he replaces Crawford as experienced DE depth cheaper next year.

Gregory has all camp and preseason. That should be enough to tune him up back to a player, given his much higher ceiling. He was a monster in his last game.

Crawford is trying to trim down for DE, and seems to clearly want nothing to do with DT. I'd rather let the other guys play and develop at 3tech at this point. Crawford is *definitely* a progress stopper there. Wants to be too small, and doesn't want to play the position.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Actually he showed ability at 3-tech but he kept getting injured.

He played most of one season with a bad shoulder and then most of the next season with a bad shoulder on the opposite side. Playing through the injuries made his performance at DT underwhelming. He required surgery after each of those seasons.

I was very annoyed. Crawford heals up and gains weight. Yay! Let's see what he can do at 3tech now that he's big enough for it...

Wut? He's playing RDE?

 

[Trouty]

@Hennessy_King

go to an OT thread (like the BEER THREAD WOOT) and talk your wah wah, brody, don't clog up the main forums being a troll.

I will never ever back away from some fun, tho. And you seem rather bored and vivacious, so lets have fun. I get firsties on that booty, doe

If you want to reply to me in the Fan Zone and try to put me on front street, and go after Tony Bourdain (boo mother ******* hoo), then I'll meet you here, too. And I wont relent. As any number of posters will attest to.

Front me off like that, try to pile on that nonsense in this thread as it pertains to the posts you piggybacked on, and I'm gonna ignore it? LOL. You knew what you were doing. Like I have time for your blithering nonsense in this thread over some offhand remark that i qualified numerous times. I think I am gonna troll you for now on. Until you report me or leave. My petty meter is pinging with you, I don't know or care why I am bothered by you all of a sudden, I just know that I am.

 

[Nightman]

He is not the best DL over the last 4 years. Irving, Collins, and Lawrence has produced more and gets paid less than what this guy has done. Frankly, he hasn't shown me much at all.

If Dallas wants to produce a championship team they need to get as much production from players on the field. We don't need to pay big money to the good guys who are great outside of the field.

LOL Collins
LOL Irving

and DLaw had one good year

TCrawford has had 4 good years.......that makes him our bet DL the last 4 years

 

[Nightman]

For the $4m in savings you get by cutting him can you replace his contribution? Maybe but it seems like a lateral move. I put him worth $5mm or $6m myself.

We waste so much time crying over 2-3m extra for a couple seasons

We roll over 3x that much every year

So if TCrawford got 3m a year he would be loved....but he gets 6m so he is hated

And then we cry about all of our DL that get suspended every year and break the feets or just can't get right

 

[northerncowboynation]

So you're the GM of the Cowboys today. You're thinking ahead to 2019. What's your plan with Crawford and Irving? I know it's all emotion with both players. Crawford for the big, presumed unworthy contract and the other complete disappointment with a player who has now had 8 games of bench time in 2 years and pulled some very questionable stunts this spring. Let's hope our GM does not look at this with emotion. That's what fans do. After all, fan is short for fanatic.