Lebron to the Lakers

[jterrell]

JT, I'm not missing any points here. I said, it depends on how hard Leonard pushes it but Anthony absolutely forced a trade. He foreced his way out of NY. He is a perfect example of what I am saying.

If San Antonio trades Leonard to another team, it's a one year rental but Leonard does not have to report, he can hold out and he can get fined by the league but nothing else is going to happen other then that. The guys who decided what would happen with the Lakers a CP3 will not decide what happens with Leonard because that guy is gone. Stern is who voided that deal with the Lakers he is gone but never the less, it wouldn't matter. The League did not want to see the Lakers roll at the the time that deal voided. The League wanted James and Miami to continue to be the marque franchise. Now, it's different. James has come to the Lakers so the league is no longer likely to come down hard on the Lakers or Leonard because they want to see that team become another Super Team. It is in there best interests to see that happen. I'm not missing any points here. I'm just saying that the situations have changed and I no longer believe that the league would take a hard stance on that. You know as well as I do that the NBA picks teams they want to see do well and they have for awhile. Do you not agree with that?

I don't see Philly or the Celtics going all in on Leonard to try and get him for one year. I mean, I guess they could but would you? The difference between George and Leonard, IMO, is that George didn't necessarily want to come to LA to be second fiddle to James, IMO. I think he wanted to be the man in LA. Leonard, he wants to come to LA, not because it's LA but because he wants to play with James. I feel like that's the big difference in that situation but again, this is all just my opinion. I've said that multiple time but I don't see JT. I don't see Philly making a can't walk away from deal to San Antonio for a single year.

Lakers would be much smarter, IMO, to wait till 2019 and sign him to a max deal then. They have plenty of cap next year and it gives them time to figure out what to do with Ball. Another year for Kuz and Ingram to develop and Randle will likely be gone. If the Spurs decide to be reasonable and as I said, the longer they wait, the less they get, then OK. If not, then OK.

Let San Antonio file whatever they want. That will not help them and what they will end up with is a Leonard who is walking through the regular season and getting nothing for him. How does that help anything? San Antonio, IMO, needs to understand that all of their leverage went out the window when James signed. Before that, the Lakers felt pressure to get Leonard Signed. Now, there is no reason to over pay for him. Next year, there a a ton of pretty good FAs so even if Leonard decided not to go to LA, the Lakers would still get another really good piece in FA IMO.

ROFL no it is a terrible sample of what you are saying.
It is EXACTLY what I am saying.
A player can't control where they get traded to and they can't control their destination while under contract.
They can try to discuss a buy out, they can ask for a trade, they can even get permission for their Agent to work trades, but the team has to execute it.
Disgruntled Carmelo's value has fallen so much he can't opt out now.
It's literally not possible for him to get 18M a year on the open market.

If Kawhi is asking the Lakers to go get him and they don;t they ALSO risk alienating him.
And for what? A couple kids they aren't gonna start and a future first? Oy Vey....

Just watch the rest of the dominoes fall.
I already tried to tell the non-patently absurd Lakers fans that LBJ wasn't playing with a bunch of kids.
Lakers immediately sign McGee, Stephenson, Rondo. Are negotiating with ancient Matty Barnes.

These guys are playing with LeBron.
A Kawhi trade is likely coming. Or they just like wasting cap money signing guys to not play.

 

[jterrell]

Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account @ramonashelburne 22m22 minutes ago




Regarding Rondo and the Lakers, source says they told him that with LeBron here they’re trying to win now. Best man wins the job.

 

[T-RO]

This kills LeBron...AND Lakers

Not enough pieces to win in the west...and now Lakers rebuild will stall. Reduces quality of draft and available funds for years.

LeBron maybe has 2 more good years in him.

 

[T-RO]

without George, they must get Kawhi, Joey my bro. I don’t think Bron goes to LA without word from Lake brass that Kawhi is a persued goal.

Bron alone does not get them over the hump. Hell, no, Joey. But there’s no way Bron did this as a one off. It would go against everything he’s done in his career.

He didn’t need Lake exposure to reep Los Angeles marketing for his brand. His Brand is already global. He needs more Chips.

Like I said, Kawhi to LA e5, imo

Spurs only trade K if they get a king’s ransom in return. (King’s ransom). 3 first round picks, that kind of thing. Again...kills Lakers longterm.

 

[LocimusPrime]

without George, they must get Kawhi, Joey my bro. I don’t think Bron goes to LA without word from Lake brass that Kawhi is a persued goal.

Bron alone does not get them over the hump. Hell, no, Joey. But there’s no way Bron did this as a one off. It would go against everything he’s done in his career.

He didn’t need Lake exposure to reep Los Angeles marketing for his brand. His Brand is already global. He needs more Chips.

Like I said, Kawhi to LA e5, imo

Agreed, right now the lakers are prolly a 4-5th seed. With Kahwai, they can contend

 

[Trouty]

Spurs only trade K if they get a king’s ransom in return. (King’s ransom). 3 first round picks, that kind of thing. Again...kills Lakers longterm.

Yeah. I know. I was rather excited last night. I called Silver "Sterling" and many other faux pas. Still, if the Lakers are in win now, I'd do 3 firsts for Kawhi. What's the chances that any one of those three picks has as much an immediate impact as a motivated Kawhi? Plus they wouldn't be giving up their roster players in said proposal.

The Lakers have been so irrelevant for so long, I'd do this trade all day. I don't see this as a Galloway-type trade.

 

[jterrell]

This kills LeBron...AND Lakers

Not enough pieces to win in the west...and now Lakers rebuild will stall. Reduces quality of draft and available funds for years.

LeBron maybe has 2 more good years in him.

This has turned out insane.
LAL by trying to have their cake and eat it too have ruined "the summer of LeBron". They have signed the craziest people in the league. Used up 30M in cap space on spare part vets that are gonna freak out about being on the bench.
And tried to keep next year's cap "flexibility".

That is doing it exactly WRONG.
They should have signed LeBron, traded for Kawhi, Signed Boogie Cousins.
Holy bad basketball... McGee, Rondo, Stevenson, KCP for 27M in cap space????

 

[darthseinfeld]

ROFL no it is a terrible sample of what you are saying.
It is EXACTLY what I am saying.
A player can't control where they get traded to and they can't control their destination while under contract.
They can try to discuss a buy out, they can ask for a trade, they can even get permission for their Agent to work trades, but the team has to execute it.
Disgruntled Carmelo's value has fallen so much he can't opt out now.
It's literally not possible for him to get 18M a year on the open market.

If Kawhi is asking the Lakers to go get him and they don;t they ALSO risk alienating him.
And for what? A couple kids they aren't gonna start and a future first? Oy Vey....

Just watch the rest of the dominoes fall.
I already tried to tell the non-patently absurd Lakers fans that LBJ wasn't playing with a bunch of kids.
Lakers immediately sign McGee, Stephenson, Rondo. Are negotiating with ancient Matty Barnes.

These guys are playing with LeBron.
A Kawhi trade is likely coming. Or they just like wasting cap money signing guys to not play.

They are also looking at Tyreke Evans. That could be a sleeper of a match. I could see Lebron bring out the best in Tyreke

Evans also has the same lapses of disinterest as Rondo does though

 

[jterrell]

Agreed, right now the lakers are prolly a 4-5th seed. With Kahwai, they can contend

I said exactly that and Lakers fan acted like I was tinkling in their cereal.

You guys are 100% accurate.
Going after LeBron was looking him in the eye and saying we will do everything we can to win now.
They did and these vet FA signings show how they are leaning.

If SAS is being unreasonable with demands this all makes sense.
If LAL is refusing to part with Hart plus one of Kuzma or Ingram and a future first then the Lakeshow deserves to be cancelled.

 

[jterrell]

They are also looking at Tyreke Evans. That could be a sleeper of a match. I could see Lebron bring out the best in Tyreke

Evans also has the same lapses of disinterest as Rondo does though

Evans just signed with the Pacers.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I said exactly that and Lakers fan acted like I was tinkling in their cereal.

You guys are 100% accurate.
Going after LeBron was looking him in the eye and saying we will do everything we can to win now.
They did and these vet FA signings show how they are leaning.

If SAS is being unreasonable with demands this all makes sense.
If LAL is refusing to part with Hart plus one of Kuzma or Ingram and a future first then the Lakeshow deserves to be cancelled.

Plus you could package Ball for a #3 starter. The backcourts of Portland, Toronto, and Washington could be blown up at any moment. Lebron, Kawhi plus a Derozen, McCollum, Lowery, or Beal is pretty compelling

 

[T-RO]

What’s the worst nightmare in sports?
It’s when your team is in last place AND have traded away their draft picks. That’s where the Lakers will be in 3 years. And again in 4 years.

Trying to build around LeBron is a fool’s errand. They will load up to the win the West..and will fail. Even if somehow it succeeds...it will be very short term.

In comparison Celtics are in good, young and loaded future picks.

 

[jterrell]

Plus you could package Ball for a #3 starter. The backcourts of Portland, Toronto, and Washington could be blown up at any moment. Lebron, Kawhi plus a Derozen, McCollum, Lowery, or Beal is pretty compelling

Exactly!!! You look for those types of deals once you are OVER the cap and have given up on future cap space deals.
So you trade for Kawhi now and are better but also have your direction laid out so you can attack becoming a legit title contender.

Kuzma, Ingram and Hart are NOT going to be starters on a title winning team in the next couple seasons.
The NBA does not work that way. Never has, never will.

 

[jterrell]

What’s the worst nightmare in sports?
It’s when your team is in last place AND have traded away their draft picks. That’s where the Lakers will be in 3 years. And again in 4 years.

Trying to build around LeBron is a fool’s errand. They will load up to the win the West..and will fail. Even if somehow it succeeds...it will be very short term.

In comparison Celtics are in good, young and loaded future picks.

The Lakers to me simply need to tie all these deals to the LeBron signing in length.
Everything should be a 3 or 4 year window.
If it all works out great. If not you flush it in 3 years and rebuild via FA.
The Lakers are too compelling to try to build through the draft. It takes far too long.
The 5 year drought was painful enough but they don't owe LBJ the loyalty they showed an aging Kobe.
Win now and sort out the rest from a position of power.

The thing that was crazy to me is LeBron himself. Had he stayed in CLE he coulda made max every year and played til he was 45.
When his talent falls short in LA they will have to jettison him. They can't repeat the Kobe rocking chair tour.

Lakers fans will be quick to call him a bum and "No Kobe" in short order if his play falls and the team doesn't win big.

 

[Sarek]

Kuzma, Ingram and Hart are NOT going to be starters on a title winning team in the next couple seasons.
The NBA does not work that way. Never has, never will.

What about Magic Johnson, didn't he win a title as a rookie, i'm sure other young players have started on title winning teams as well. Never has, never will, you seem to love adding drama to your posts hoping they come across as substance. I think you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[Sarek]

A lot of BS coming across as accurate information. Don't buy it.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If Golden State can manage to get Dwight Howard, would that just be the most ridiculous starting 5 of all time?

 

[Risen Star]

Philly by far was the smart move. Young core that he could carry to the finals the next 2 years, but could carry him the next 3+

Yep. Instead he chose Hollywood.

He's finished as a Championship contender. He's just stat compiling now.

 

[jterrell]

If Golden State can manage to get Dwight Howard, would that just be the most ridiculous starting 5 of all time?

HA!. GSW laugh at that and get Boogie.

 

[jterrell]

This has turned out insane.
LAL by trying to have their cake and eat it too have ruined "the summer of LeBron". They have signed the craziest people in the league. Used up 30M in cap space on spare part vets that are gonna freak out about being on the bench.
And tried to keep next year's cap "flexibility".

That is doing it exactly WRONG.
They should have signed LeBron, traded for Kawhi, Signed Boogie Cousins.
Holy bad basketball... McGee, Rondo, Stevenson, KCP for 27M in cap space????

just gonna bump this little jewel.....