Lee's response to Dez

[tyke1doe]

Saw someone on the NFL Network break down Dez and the first drive of our season last year to debunk what Dez was saying about our offense being vanilla. Turns out Dez lined up in 4 different positions and ran 7 different routes on the first drive alone. Now he didnt break down how good or how bad the routes were. So IMO Dez can cry all he wants but Lee is right look in the mirror. What we are hearing now from Dez is likely a very small indication of what he was like to deal with on a day to day basis during the football season.

I don't disagree with your assessment of Dez. But the "vanilla offense" has been a long complaint by the Cowboys players and opponents.

 

[tyke1doe]

I browed this from another thread and set the time to where they talk about Dez. Does this sound like someone you can talk to one and one, or does it sound like someone you would avoid bring something up face to face?

I don't understand.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I don't disagree with your assessment of Dez. But the "vanilla offense" has been a long complaint by the Cowboys players and opponents.

True that it has been mentioned by both. Then again, vanilla offenses aren't always a bad thing when you have the talent. You didn't get more vanilla back in the days when the cowboys handed the ball off to Emmitt Smith. Then another point would be, if Dez route tree is limited, then how would that help in making the offense less vanilla?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I don't understand.

The original thing brought up by me was that maybe it is hard to have a face to face meeting with Dez. Or that having a face to face with someone is a pointless endeavor if they are going to blow up whenever they hear something they don't like. And if you as a person see that happening, then how likely are you going to talk to Dez the next time face to face, if the first time it just caused a ruckus? Sounds like that is what may have happened when Sean Lee said he and Dez butted heads in the past. And then watching that video, where they mentioned that dez "imploded" during a meeting when a coach brought something up about another team, and the meeting degenerated into being something fruitless, well you can see that when they guy hears something that he doesn't like there is no talking to him because of his emotional outburst. And Demarco, subconsciously, was shaking his head in a knowing yes, even though he didn't want to say anything negative about dez in that vid, and then goes on to say "I know how hard it can be on the team" when talking about how Dez acts.

 

[Cowboysfan1975]

How come i dont i got my own set of eyes i watched every game Did you watch the games?.. who had to catch the ball


Say what you said again WHEN Lee is out not IF. When so again i say Dez has done more on the field than Sean Lee period and thats facts

im not debating that fact.


I bet he dont play 16 games... I bet he dont

Yeah I have actually watched every game for the last 10+ plus years. The FACTS are Sean Lee leads the team in tackles every year and is one of the best lb in the NFL. Dez is washed up and has never been a better player than Lee. Dez has been just as injury pron as Lee the last 3 seasons.

 

[ItzKelz]

I don't disagree with your assessment of Dez. But the "vanilla offense" has been a long complaint by the Cowboys players and opponents.

Yea for about 8 years.

 

[Jipper]

Here we go Cleveland, here we go!

Here we go Cleveland, here we go!





I was a huge Dez supporter, but the childish crap has confirmed what many others were saying....and I'm glad he gone, this team is so much better off

 

[G2]

So I guess when Romo threw that 50-50 ball against the Texans and Dez caught the ball behind the cb's back on a crucial 3rd down that helped the team win he could've made that happen to any receiver on the roster huh? No way. Only Dez was capable of making that catch.

Was. the last few years no. I'm not discrediting what Dez used to be capable of. Romo isn't here. Neither is Dez.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

We have no idea what went on and why Dez is calling out Fred and Lee. But it makes you wonder why is he throwing hate out at two of the most beloved Cowboys. Those two have gotten more fan love then even Whit. Makes me think Dez is jealous of the love those guys get.

Look in the mirror my brother!

It reminds you of TO and his statements about Romo and Witten when he left.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

We've seen the allege backstabbing before (T.O.)…...and that's the sign of a fragile team and an indictment on the alleged leadership sold to us about the likes of Witten. Hmmm!....Not sure how a guy that routinely misses games can touch on accountability.....slippery slope. Just saying. We'll find out this year, but I never saw Dez being the only problem.....just the face of the problem. Next up.....Beasley or TWilliams, Also an indictment of the BS leadership when you have a Head Coach with strings attached to his arms and legs.

I'm assuming you aren't saying that people were actually out to get TO? He had a fragile ego and he saw stuff that wasn't there. Sound familiar? Taking a shot at Lee isn't fair. He has health issues but I have never seen any doubt that it is killing him not being out there. Sometimes your body doesn't agree with your brain. That's not a fault of accountability. It's a fault of biology. If you watched the all or nothing you could see that it killed him missing games.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Sean Lee is a real leader who commands and demands respect bc he gives it. Dez is a classless punk who doesnt have a clue about respect. Glad hes gone and wish this BS wasnt happening right as camp starts. Always some distraction. Dez would NOT want to see Sean Lee in a dark alley.

 

[Blake]

Sean Lee is a real leader who commands and demands respect bc he gives it. Dez is a classless punk who doesnt have a clue about respect. Glad hes gone and wish this BS wasnt happening right as camp starts. Always some distraction. Chuck Norris would NOT want to see Sean Lee in a dark alley.

Fixed for my own amusement. Carry on.

 

[ghst187]

Perfect statement from Lee. Love it

Yep, sometimes when you think that everyone else around you is the problem it turns out it's actually you who are the problem.
It is pretty telling that Dez still doesn't have a job.
I tend to think that some team will have a major injury or something and rush to sign him but I also thought teams were waiting til after the draft, now starting to wonder if Dez is done.
His agent ought to be telling him to shut up, as he's going to be lucky to play another down and him yapping and burning his former team publicly is not a strong selling point for someone who is currently unemployed. I can't see the broadcast booth picking him up, he's not exactly articulate or bright.

 

[Cmac]

I'm assuming you aren't saying that people were actually out to get TO? He had a fragile ego and he saw stuff that wasn't there. Sound familiar? Taking a shot at Lee isn't fair. He has health issues but I have never seen any doubt that it is killing him not being out there. Sometimes your body doesn't agree with your brain. That's not a fault of accountability. It's a fault of biology. If you watched the all or nothing you could see that it killed him missing games.

Okaaay. Fairness????….Wow.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

End of discussion.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

We still don't have proof that there was talking behind his back? All we have is Sean Lee saying that he and Dez have butted heads. He didn't say anymore than that. For all we know, Dez could be paranoid.

Or telling the truth. None of us know.

 

[kskboys]

The original thing brought up by me was that maybe it is hard to have a face to face meeting with Dez. Or that having a face to face with someone is a pointless endeavor if they are going to blow up whenever they hear something they don't like. And if you as a person see that happening, then how likely are you going to talk to Dez the next time face to face, if the first time it just caused a ruckus? Sounds like that is what may have happened when Sean Lee said he and Dez butted heads in the past. And then watching that video, where they mentioned that dez "imploded" during a meeting when a coach brought something up about another team, and the meeting degenerated into being something fruitless, well you can see that when they guy hears something that he doesn't like there is no talking to him because of his emotional outburst. And Demarco, subconsciously, was shaking his head in a knowing yes, even though he didn't want to say anything negative about dez in that vid, and then goes on to say "I know how hard it can be on the team" when talking about how Dez acts.

This is what appears to be the case.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It’s only useless if the player refuses to accept personal accountability. A player doesn’t have to agree with who the head coach is to accept personal accountabilty, and to blame unwillingness to do so on someone else is a weak excuse. Dez wanted to be seen as a leader, and Lee wanted him to stand up and do the things leaders do. If a player refuses to accept the responsibility that goes with the role, that’s on him, not someone else. Lee, Martin, Frederick and Dak aren’t making that excuse, and that excuse doesn’t fly for Dez.

Any person who refuses to change won't change. This is obvious. Sean Lee's statement and you make it sound like Dez never accepted personal responsibility and didn't hold himself accountable to the team and I find that very unlikely. He was the best receiver on this team for over a half a decade and seemed to always take his poor play and any team losses hard. It's not that he doesn't accept personal accountability. He just sees the hypocrisy in the same standards not being applied to those above him and is calling them out for it. How many years is this organization going to keep blaming talented players shifting them in and out? Twenty five more years? Even Romo is blamed by this fan base when the vast majority of successful NFL GMs think Romo would have at least one (maybe two) Super Bowl(s) if he played for a competently coached and managed organization.

Lee, Martin, Frederick, and Dak are still on the team. I'm not sure what your point is in mentioning them.

 

[OmerV]

Any person who refuses to change won't change. This is obvious. Sean Lee's statement and you make it sound like Dez never accepted personal responsibility and didn't hold himself accountable to the team and I find that very unlikely. He was the best receiver on this team for over a half a decade and seemed to always take his poor play and any team losses hard. It's not that he doesn't accept personal accountability. He just sees the hypocrisy in the same standards not being applied to those above him and is calling them out for it. How many years is this organization going to keep blaming talented players shifting them in and out? Twenty five more years? Even Romo is blamed by this fan base when the vast majority of successful NFL GMs think Romo would have at least one (maybe two) Super Bowl(s) if he played for a competently coached and managed organization.

Lee, Martin, Frederick, and Dak are still on the team. I'm not sure what your point is in mentioning them.

You were supporting the idea that Dez wasn’t accepting personal accountability and indicating he can’t be expected to because you didn’t feel the Coach and those higher up in the organization were being held accountable. That’s a cop out, and I think what you are saying now about a person who refuses to change won’t change is a cop out. He may not change, but that doesn’t mean it’s right, or that his teammates shouldn’t expect it.

It’s all just excuses, and if, in fact, Dez wouldn’t accept personal accountability and if, in fact, he refused to change, that’s on Dez and nobody else. The notion that people shouldn’t be expected to do the right thing unless they are living or working in an environment that is exactly as they want is nonsense. It just amounts to blaming someone else for another persons issues.

Plenty of players take pride in the way they handle their role with a team, and take leadership responsibility seriously, even though they may not agree with everything being decided or done at higher levels of the organization. That’s also true of people in everyday life. I damn sure haven’t always cared for the decisions my boss or his boss have made. But it wouldn’t even occur to me to think I don’t owe it to my coworkers to accept the responsibilities of my role in the organization, which is much more than simply cranking out a little work.

 

[SultanOfSix]

You were supporting the idea that Dez wasn’t accepting personal accountability and indicating he can’t be expected to because you didn’t feel the Coach and those higher up in the organization were being held accountable. That’s a cop out, and I think what you are saying now about a person who refuses to change won’t change is a cop out. He may not change, but that doesn’t mean it’s right, or that his teammates shouldn’t expect it.

It’s all just excuses, and if, in fact, Dez wouldn’t accept personal accountability and if, in fact, he refused to change, that’s on Dez and nobody else. The notion that people shouldn’t be expected to do the right thing unless they are living or working in an environment that is exactly as they want is nonsense. It just amounts to blaming someone else for another persons issues.

Plenty of players take pride in the way they handle their role with a team, and take leadership responsibility seriously, even though they may not agree with everything being decided or done at higher levels of the organization. That’s also true of people in everyday life. I damn sure haven’t always cared for the decisions my boss or his boss have made. But it wouldn’t even occur to me to think I don’t owe it to my coworkers to accept the responsibilities of my role in the organization, which is much more than simply cranking out a little work.

No, I'm supporting that idea that he won't accept personal responsibility in his current situation because of the hypocrisy he sees when it comes to management not holding those above him accountable. I didn't support the idea that he doesn't accept any personal responsibility at all. This was already implied in the first response I made in this thread.

Also, I'm not using the the notion that someone who refuses to change won't change as an excuse. I just stated it as a fact and a point of emphasis in line with you stating it is useless to tell someone who won't accept personal responsibility to accept it.