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Lee's response to Dez

Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by Hawkeye0202, Jul 27, 2018.

  1. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    I don't disagree with your assessment of Dez. But the "vanilla offense" has been a long complaint by the Cowboys players and opponents.
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  2. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand.
  3. Gangsta Spanksta

    Gangsta Spanksta Well-Known Member

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    True that it has been mentioned by both. Then again, vanilla offenses aren't always a bad thing when you have the talent. You didn't get more vanilla back in the days when the cowboys handed the ball off to Emmitt Smith. Then another point would be, if Dez route tree is limited, then how would that help in making the offense less vanilla?
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  4. Gangsta Spanksta

    Gangsta Spanksta Well-Known Member

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    The original thing brought up by me was that maybe it is hard to have a face to face meeting with Dez. Or that having a face to face with someone is a pointless endeavor if they are going to blow up whenever they hear something they don't like. And if you as a person see that happening, then how likely are you going to talk to Dez the next time face to face, if the first time it just caused a ruckus? Sounds like that is what may have happened when Sean Lee said he and Dez butted heads in the past. And then watching that video, where they mentioned that dez "imploded" during a meeting when a coach brought something up about another team, and the meeting degenerated into being something fruitless, well you can see that when they guy hears something that he doesn't like there is no talking to him because of his emotional outburst. And Demarco, subconsciously, was shaking his head in a knowing yes, even though he didn't want to say anything negative about dez in that vid, and then goes on to say "I know how hard it can be on the team" when talking about how Dez acts.
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  5. Cowboysfan1975

    Cowboysfan1975 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I have actually watched every game for the last 10+ plus years. The FACTS are Sean Lee leads the team in tackles every year and is one of the best lb in the NFL. Dez is washed up and has never been a better player than Lee. Dez has been just as injury pron as Lee the last 3 seasons.
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  6. ItzKelz

    ItzKelz Well-Known Member

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    Yea for about 8 years.
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  7. Jipper

    Jipper Well-Known Member

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    Here we go Cleveland, here we go!

    Here we go Cleveland, here we go!

    I was a huge Dez supporter, but the childish crap has confirmed what many others were saying....and I'm glad he gone, this team is so much better off
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  8. Streetwise

    Streetwise Well-Known Member

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    Was. the last few years no. I'm not discrediting what Dez used to be capable of. Romo isn't here. Neither is Dez.
  9. FLCowboyFan

    FLCowboyFan Hoping to be half the man Tom Landry was.

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    It reminds you of TO and his statements about Romo and Witten when he left.
  10. FLCowboyFan

    FLCowboyFan Hoping to be half the man Tom Landry was.

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    I'm assuming you aren't saying that people were actually out to get TO? He had a fragile ego and he saw stuff that wasn't there. Sound familiar? Taking a shot at Lee isn't fair. He has health issues but I have never seen any doubt that it is killing him not being out there. Sometimes your body doesn't agree with your brain. That's not a fault of accountability. It's a fault of biology. If you watched the all or nothing you could see that it killed him missing games.
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  11. TrailBlazer

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    Sean Lee is a real leader who commands and demands respect bc he gives it. Dez is a classless punk who doesnt have a clue about respect. Glad hes gone and wish this BS wasnt happening right as camp starts. Always some distraction. Dez would NOT want to see Sean Lee in a dark alley.
  12. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

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    Fixed for my own amusement. Carry on.
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  13. ghst187

    ghst187 Well-Known Member

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    Yep, sometimes when you think that everyone else around you is the problem it turns out it's actually you who are the problem.
    It is pretty telling that Dez still doesn't have a job.
    I tend to think that some team will have a major injury or something and rush to sign him but I also thought teams were waiting til after the draft, now starting to wonder if Dez is done.
    His agent ought to be telling him to shut up, as he's going to be lucky to play another down and him yapping and burning his former team publicly is not a strong selling point for someone who is currently unemployed. I can't see the broadcast booth picking him up, he's not exactly articulate or bright.
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  14. Cmac

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    Okaaay. Fairness????….Wow.
  15. PA Cowboy Fan

    PA Cowboy Fan Well-Known Member

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    End of discussion.
  16. PA Cowboy Fan

    PA Cowboy Fan Well-Known Member

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    Or telling the truth. None of us know.
  17. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    This is what appears to be the case.
  18. SultanOfSix

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    Any person who refuses to change won't change. This is obvious. Sean Lee's statement and you make it sound like Dez never accepted personal responsibility and didn't hold himself accountable to the team and I find that very unlikely. He was the best receiver on this team for over a half a decade and seemed to always take his poor play and any team losses hard. It's not that he doesn't accept personal accountability. He just sees the hypocrisy in the same standards not being applied to those above him and is calling them out for it. How many years is this organization going to keep blaming talented players shifting them in and out? Twenty five more years? Even Romo is blamed by this fan base when the vast majority of successful NFL GMs think Romo would have at least one (maybe two) Super Bowl(s) if he played for a competently coached and managed organization.

    Lee, Martin, Frederick, and Dak are still on the team. I'm not sure what your point is in mentioning them.
  19. OmerV

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    You were supporting the idea that Dez wasn’t accepting personal accountability and indicating he can’t be expected to because you didn’t feel the Coach and those higher up in the organization were being held accountable. That’s a cop out, and I think what you are saying now about a person who refuses to change won’t change is a cop out. He may not change, but that doesn’t mean it’s right, or that his teammates shouldn’t expect it.

    It’s all just excuses, and if, in fact, Dez wouldn’t accept personal accountability and if, in fact, he refused to change, that’s on Dez and nobody else. The notion that people shouldn’t be expected to do the right thing unless they are living or working in an environment that is exactly as they want is nonsense. It just amounts to blaming someone else for another persons issues.

    Plenty of players take pride in the way they handle their role with a team, and take leadership responsibility seriously, even though they may not agree with everything being decided or done at higher levels of the organization. That’s also true of people in everyday life. I damn sure haven’t always cared for the decisions my boss or his boss have made. But it wouldn’t even occur to me to think I don’t owe it to my coworkers to accept the responsibilities of my role in the organization, which is much more than simply cranking out a little work.
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  20. SultanOfSix

    SultanOfSix Star Power

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    No, I'm supporting that idea that he won't accept personal responsibility in his current situation because of the hypocrisy he sees when it comes to management not holding those above him accountable. I didn't support the idea that he doesn't accept any personal responsibility at all. This was already implied in the first response I made in this thread.

    Also, I'm not using the the notion that someone who refuses to change won't change as an excuse. I just stated it as a fact and a point of emphasis in line with you stating it is useless to tell someone who won't accept personal responsibility to accept it.

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