QB Stats Through Two Years

[Blackrain]

Same ole pointless argument. Those stats are useless. They are not stats for the players. They are stats for the teams.

The truth is, Tony absolutely was a HOF caliber QB.

Kurt Warner was league MVP in 99 and 2001 also SB MVP but I guess they are more useless stats .

Kurt Warner married a girl he went to college with that had 2 children already one that was blind and brain damaged . He adopted them and took on a tremendous responsibility . his play and success reflected his commitment . Mean while Romos early years were spent trying to date every high profile celebrity he could find .

One guy had responsibility and was serious early in his career the other wasn't . One was successful when he had a good team around him the other wasn't . ( HINT) The one who put football above celebrity status was successful and is in the HOF

 

[Blackrain]

Ring of honor? Yes, Romo put up some numbers and has numerous team records. But he was never an elite QB. He had one season where he led the NFL. And you're right, in win or go home games he didn't get it done. And he had HOF players to throw to and Bryany in his prime.
No way he is HOF caliber. I think the fans who consider him their favorite Dallas QB or aren't old enough to see other QBs play say that.

They defiantly didn't see Roger play or were too young to recognize they were watching an NFL god who took the Cowboys from next yr champions to champions

 

[Kevinicus]

That post was.

But your initial claim was that Romo is as deserving of the HoF as Kurt Warner. Because of career stats.

My argument was that post season performance weighs heavily into whether somebody is Hall of fame worthy or not. And regardless of win/loss record in playoffs.

Kurt Warner’s postseason performance over his career is superior to Romo’s. In every way.

So, we're going to judge a career, heavily, based on 13 and 6 games? Do you see the flaw in that line of thinking?

Kurt Warner had a passer rating over 100 4 times out of 13 (31%). Romo had a passer rating over 100 3 times out of 6 (50%). Side note: Kurt's team won when he had his worst performance (passer rating in the 50's). Romo's team lost when he had his best (over 140).
Romo had a 4:1 TD:Int Ratio. Warner had a 2.2:1 ratio.
Romo never had more than 1 INT (2 total - 1 every 1.5 games) Warner had 3 games with multiple Interceptions, including two with 3 (14 total - 1 every .93 games).
In 6 games - Romo was sacked 22 times.
In 13 games - Warner was sacked 19 times.

 

[Kevinicus]

Kurt Warner was league MVP in 99 and 2001 also SB MVP but I guess they are more useless stats .

Kurt Warner married a girl he went to college with that had 2 children already one that was blind and brain damaged . He adopted them and took on a tremendous responsibility . his play and success reflected his commitment . Mean while Romos early years were spent trying to date every high profile celebrity he could find .

One guy had responsibility and was serious early in his career the other wasn't . One was successful when he had a good team around him the other wasn't . ( HINT) The one who put football above celebrity status was successful and is in the HOF

Useless stats? No. They aren't even stats at all.

You follow that up with other things that are completely irrelevant (and not completely accurate - but indicative of your bias).

Why do you hate Romo (that is what you are displaying, not rational criticism)? Unless this was a joke post?

 

[G2]

Romo is not HOF caliber, that is ridiculous and biased. Completely ignoring what elite QBs have done when it mattered most.

 

[HungryLion]

So, we're going to judge a career, heavily, based on 13 and 6 games? Do you see the flaw in that line of thinking?

Kurt Warner had a passer rating over 100 4 times out of 13 (31%). Romo had a passer rating over 100 3 times out of 6 (50%). Side note: Kurt's team won when he had his worst performance (passer rating in the 50's). Romo's team lost when he had his best (over 140).
Romo had a 4:1 TD:Int Ratio. Warner had a 2.2:1 ratio.
Romo never had more than 1 INT (2 total - 1 every 1.5 games) Warner had 3 games with multiple Interceptions, including two with 3 (14 total - 1 every .93 games).
In 6 games - Romo was sacked 22 times.
In 13 games - Warner was sacked 19 times.

I’m not judging the career off just those numbers.

I’m saying they do have relevance when discussing whether someone is HoF caliber or not.

We will never know how Romo would have performed in an NFC championship game or super bowl. So he gets and incomplete for that.

There is something to be said about being a Super Bowl MVP though.

The man set an NFL record for yardage in a Super Bowl if I remember correctly. Those things matter when discussing the overall greatness of a player.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Completely ignoring what elite QBs have done when it mattered most.

Is Eli HOF?

 

[Kevinicus]

Is Eli HOF?

Not anywhere close.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Not anywhere close.

I agree, but will tell you most have him going.

 

[Kevinicus]

I’m not judging the career off just those numbers.

I’m saying they do have relevance when discussing whether someone is HoF caliber or not.

We will never know how Romo would have performed in an NFC championship game or super bowl. So he gets and incomplete for that.

There is something to be said about being a Super Bowl MVP though.

The man set an NFL record for yardage in a Super Bowl if I remember correctly. Those things matter when discussing the overall greatness of a player.

Eli was a SB MVP twice...the first time wasn't even a very good game.

I like to actually look at things rationally and not make more of things than they are.

Sure playoff performances need to be factored in, but in the grand scheme of things, they are a very small part of a career (less so in Brady's case since he has over 2 season's worth).

 

[Kevinicus]

I agree, but will tell you most have him going.

I don't think that's the case. I think a few years ago many thought he would end up there, but lately I think the general feeling is that he won't - Thankfully.

 

[Blackrain]

Useless stats? No. They aren't even stats at all.

You follow that up with other things that are completely irrelevant (and not completely accurate - but indicative of your bias).

Why do you hate Romo (that is what you are displaying, not rational criticism)? Unless this was a joke post?

I don't hate Romo at all I like him and watch all the games he announces . I like his insight into games and his knowledge . I think he is a class guy and has represented our franchise well .

That said I grew very tired of his style of play . I thought his sense of risk vs reward was lacking at the worst times . I also thought there were times he was not serious enough about football , his conditioning and didn't make the most of the opportunities he had which were not as many as there should have been .

Tony was a very good QB but he was not Elite . What I HATE is people trying to exaggerate his career and build him into legendary Status that he never attained . IMO Tony is Ring of Horror but not HOF . As time goes by we will see if my prediction is correct

 

[Kevinicus]

I don't hate Romo at all I like him and watch all the games he announces . I like his insight into games and his knowledge . I think he is a class guy and has represented our franchise well .

That said I grew very tired of his style of play . I thought his sense of risk vs reward was lacking at the worst times . I also thought there were times he was not serious enough about football , his conditioning and didn't make the most of the opportunities he had which were not as many as there should have been .

Tony was a very good QB but he was not Elite . What I HATE is people trying to exaggerate his career and build him into legendary Status that he never attained . IMO Tony is Ring of Horror but not HOF . As time goes by we will see if my prediction is correct

It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

You grew tired of him having a low turnover rate? Okay.

 

[percyhoward]

13 Greg Landry

Good list otherwise, but how did that happen? Landry only had two Top 10 seasons in passer rating.

 

[Blackrain]

It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

You grew tired of him having a low turnover rate? Okay.

I said his style of play, as far as TOs he didn't have a high rate they just happened at the worst times and were very memorable . He is the only guy I can think of where a player from a division rival goes to social media and blasts him as a choker or he makes his # 1 WR so ticked off that he leaves the game .

But yes you are right this happened at a low rate LOLOL

 

[plasticman]

Good list otherwise, but how did that happen? Landry only had two Top 10 seasons in passer rating.

I took only his years from 1970 thru 1979, coincidentally, his best seasons. It was a rush job. Normally I would have taken all his seasons and consolidated them, weigh the scores according to how many seasons in each decade, etc.etc.

His scores were pretty consistent, high 70's to low 90's for the most part, pretty good for his era.

 

[G2]

Is Eli HOF?

He most likely will be. If you consider his statistics in the regular season and also postseason, he's very good. A lot say his defenses carried him or it was a lucky catch but as much as it pains me to say it he played great. many forget the actually SB TD pass to Plexico and only remember the helmet catch.
That and the fact that he never missed a game (Minus sitting one) - that is incredible.

 

[G2]

Not anywhere close.

But you think Romo is HOF caliber? Lol. Biased.

 

[Hadenough]

No, it’s only misleading if I didn’t include anyone else’s rushing TDs. When you factor in the entirety of the QB position, he scores TDs more often than almost anyone at this point in their careers. If you want an honest idea of his passing ability, the only mostly honest stat is passer rating. Soley looking at passing TDs won’t give you an honest answer. If you go by that, then you’re essentially penalizing Dak for being so effective at rushing the ball.

YES
It can be misleading if you don't mention that he ran the TDs in! When you look at the fact he runs the ball in for a TD it tells me he isn't as good of a passer as a guy who sits back and throws it into the end zone for the same amount of TDs. Running is all well and good but there comes a time in games against good teams where you have to throw because they aren't going to let you run. You look at these stats and it makes Dak and Wentz look about even but then you look at how they both performed against a common opponent in the chargers and broncos and Wentz picked them apart while Dak struggled. I look at the difficulty of throws being completed not just completion percentage. Dak is a work in progress!

 

[HungryLion]

Eli was a SB MVP twice...the first time wasn't even a very good game.

I like to actually look at things rationally and not make more of things than they are.

Sure playoff performances need to be factored in, but in the grand scheme of things, they are a very small part of a career (less so in Brady's case since he has over 2 season's worth).

I like to look at things rationally too. Just because you disagree with people who do take playoffs further into account, doesn’t make them irrational.

Eli is kind of an abberation. I actually don’t think he should be in the HoF. However, I think a big part of that is because Eli has mediocre regular season stats, compared to his other HoF contemporaries.

I guess the reality is, there are many things factored into whether a player make the HoF. Some of them are quantifiable and some are not.