Zeke and Barkley, has he regressed?

[Chrispierce]

What? They threw the kitchen sink at that dude last night,same with game 1. That was big time on that last drive. Those short runs and physical hits are no joke. He’s a power rusher,who can break it to the edges. That’s a rare combination in power rushers. That’s his game...chip,chip,chip,then they get tired and TD. I mean NY hit that dude hella hard last night on that one run to the right,and he didn’t go down. That’s demoralizing to tough nosed defenses. Barkley is a darn good player no doubt,but you shouldn’t discount Zeke.

 

[uvaballa]

Big difference between pass blocking and run blocking against stacked fronts. You seem to think that all situations are equal and they aren't. The reason we lost to Carolina was mostly due to Dak's inablity to take advantage of some of the looks he was getting beause Zeke had little daylight.

If people are defending Zeke it's only because of comments like this one attacking him.

Teams aren’t loading the box as much as you say. Maybe on 3rd and short or near the goal one but on 1st and 10 I haven’t seen a ton of 8 man fronts.

 

[Cap12]

Zeke just doesn’t look as good as he did with a dominant Oline. That makes sense but he’s not as good as many thought he would be in 2016.

How good is Barkley? He's very good. The problem is that nobdoy is blocking for him. Football is a team sport.

 

[jblaze2004]

CowboyRoy starts thread Zeke and Barkley


Zeke 17 rushes 78 yards
Bark 11 rushes 28 yards

CowboyRoy decides Zeke has regressed and Barkley is great.

Jeebus

exactly what i was thinking lol. Oh cuz Barkley caught a bunch of short passes he is better lmao nooooooooooo

 

[Cap12]

Teams aren’t loading the box as much as you say. Maybe on 3rd and short or near the goal one but on 1st and 10 I haven’t seen a ton of 8 man fronts.

53% of the time Carolina was in a stacked look. More than half the time according to Broaddus on Talkin' Cowboys.

 

[Cowboysfan1975]

Zeke usually starts kinda slow. The line hasn't been blocking well and teams are loading up to stop the run. Zeke will get going, nothing to worry about with him

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Barkley is more gifted than Zeke. He'll make something out of nothing. We saw that yesterday how he was still a threat even through we shut down the run. You shut down the run on us and Zeke is basically useless.

With a dominant OL and a run-oriented scheme, Zeke can ball out like he did his rookie year. That being said, that's why you don't invest a top 5 pick on a RB. They need too many other things to happen around them.

 

[uvaballa]

53% of the time Carolina was in a stacked look. More than half the time according to Broaddus on Talkin' Cowboys.

Wrong next gen stats already proved this. Don’t listen to Broaddus.

 

[JohnsKey19]

He was a bear to deal with last night. He rarely went down on first contact (only remember Lee's tackle that just barely knocked him off his pins). If anybody bothered to block for the kid, he would have run for 200 yards. My only knock against him was that he's not a willing blocker. Maybe it was the play design, but he never seemed to block or even chip on his way out on a route (and Eli could have used it).

I agree, he's already tough. My point is more about mixing up his running style. More north-south for 2-3 yds and not as much east-west. But clearly he's going to be an elite RB, if not already.

 

[uvaballa]

Barkley is more gifted than Zeke. He'll make something out of nothing. We saw that yesterday how he was still a threat even through we shut down the run. You shut down the run on us and Zeke is basically useless.

With a dominant OL and a run-oriented scheme, Zeke can ball out like he did his rookie year. That being said, that's why you don't invest a top 5 pick on a RB. They need too many other things to happen around them.

I agree.

 

[Cap12]

Wrong next gen stats already proved this. Don’t listen to Broaddus.

I tend to believe a former scout than a guy with a pocket protector from Amazon. Next Gen stats have their moments, but they ain't always right when it comes to understanding play design. You can easily conceal a stacked box by having a Safety creep up. Again, I trust Broaddus with things like that over "Percy Pocket-Protector" with two day, free shipping.

 

[uvaballa]

I tend to believe a former scout than a guy with a pocket protector from Amazon. Next Gen stats have their moments, but they ain't always right when it comes to understanding play design. You can easily conceal a stacked box by having a Safety creep up. Again, I trust Broaddus with things like that over "Percy Pocket-Protector" with two day, free shipping.

Even in his great 2016 season there were a few RBs just as good if not better facing 8 man fronts. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#yards

 

[CATCH17]

Zeke is playing in an offense that doesn't even attempt to get him in space and he has 8 professional football players zeroing in on him.

Think of that before we even start the conversation about a 23 year old stud RB regressing.

 

[Cap12]

Even in his great 2016 season there were a few RBs just as good if not better facing 8 man fronts. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#yards

He was playing with a better and more cohesive line in 2016. He's also only played two games so far this season. Those games were also against teams that defend the run really well, so that's a poor sample to measure him against.. It's a little early to talk about Zeke regressing.

You really love those next gen stats. I'm not totally sold for the reasons I meantioned.

 

[uvaballa]

He was playing with a better and more cohesive line in 2016. He's also only played two games so far this season. Those games were also against teams that defend the run really well, so that's a poor sample to measure him against.. It's a little early to talk about Zeke regressing.

You really love those next gen stats. I'm not totally sold for the reasons I meantioned.

Haha you went from he faced stacked boxes 53% of the time to that was a good defensive front, which they were.

Guys keep pushing this 8 man front narrative even though other RBs are facing it more and producing just as good or better rushing numbers.

 

[Cap12]

Haha you went from he faced stacked boxes 53% of the time to that was a good defensive front, which they were.

Guys keep pushing this 8 man front narrative even though other RBs are facing it more and producing just as good or better rushing numbers.

Btw, is that your way of saying that Derick Henrey. Matt Asiata. Mike Gillslee, Latavious Murray and Jonathan Stewart are better backs than Zeke because of this dumb stat? That's why I am pretty circumspect when it comes to next gen stats.

 

[uvaballa]

Btw, is that your way of saying that Derick Henrey. Matt Asiata. Mike Gillslee, Latavious Murray and Jonathan Stewart are better backs than Zeke because of this dumb stat? That's why I am pretty circumspect when it comes to next gen stats.

I’m saying stop using that as an excuse is all. Other RBs are facing 8 man fronts too.

 

[Cap12]

I’m saying stop using that as an excuse is all. Other RBs are facing 8 man fronts too.

Like those elite backs I mentioned who are better than Zeke, because Nex Gen stats knows all, lol. Again, if you choose to believe a bunch of geeks who don't know their elbows from their butts over an-ex scout, so be it.

 

[Cmac]

8 man fronts, down OL, and non-threatening passing game will make the best RB look bad.....See Todd Gurley a couple of years ago.

 

[Zekeats]

Two underwhelming games by Zeke. I don't see anyone talking about how he has regressed or that we need to go get a RB in the first round next year.

You can see with Barkely that they are making the effort to design the entire offense around him. When you use a top 5 pick on a RB, that's exactly what you better do. Not much running lanes, but he caught 13 passes yesterday in an effort to do whatever they could to get the kid involved.

With Zeke all I really see is runs up the middle with no creativity. A couple passes here and there.