Troy Aikman on Dak

[America's Cowboy]

Your ignorance is astounding.

Are you actually arguing that the passing rules are basically the same today and the game is called the same as it was in the 90s?

I actually addressed your last four years comment. Aikman, in 1999, finished as one of the Top 10 highest completion percentages that year. In 1998, he was the 8th highest rated QB that year.

So in reality, Aikman's last few years weren't nearly as dreadful as you are trying to make them out to be.

Yeah, Aikman was such a stud during his last 4 years (1997-2000). Right...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Do not need players that good.

Just better players where the Cowboys D, offense, and STs can be among the best collectively in this era.

The problem with that is by the time you improve one then another part of the team has to be rebuilt. That's the way it's been with Garrett. I'm not saying Dak can't eventually play in this league but he will never be successful here in Dallas. He needs to go somewhere else where a coach can actually help him.

 

[khiladi]

Aikman, Smith, and Irvin won over 70% of the games they played together.

They won around 50% or less of games when 1 of them did not play.

I thinked they suffered more when Emmitt did not play.

The Triplets collectively made the OL better.

The only HOF player from that OL is LA but he was not around for the first 2 SBs with Jimmy.

Eric Williams was as good as Allen if not before the accident and was legit HOF bound. If he was paired with Allen healthy they could have dominated for a few more years on that fact alone.

 

[Legend]

What did they do without Aikman? Nada...

They did better collectively when they all played together...

 

[Beast_from_East]

And what's funny is that Broaddus is likely wrong there.

The reason the Cowboys and Dak have little consistent run game is because NFL teams simply don't fear Prescott and his arm. So they load up against Elliott and the run. I don't care how good an OL you think you have, if you have 5-6 blockers to block 7-8 guys, your run game is going to bog down at times.

Until Prescott shows he can beat teams with his arm, expect to see similar things to what the Texans did. Watch what Jax does this weekend. I suspect they will creep up a S and play with a fairly heavy front to make sure Elliott goes nowhere.

Exactly...………...I would do the same exact thing if I was a defensive coordinator playing the Cowboys. Load up the box to stop Zeke and play my DBs within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Easy peazy, I doubt my defense would give up more than 1 TD max to this offense.

 

[Sydla]

Yeah, Aikman was such a stud during his last 4 years (1997-2000). Right...

This is the part of the debate when the obtuse one, you, starts making things up that were never said.

No one ever said Aikman was a stud from 97-00. No one. You made that up. And did so because you are now getting whipped from all sides on your points. So all that's left is to exaggerate what people are saying, shoot that down and think you've secured that victory.

It's kind of sad, actually.

 

[Legend]

Eric Williams was as good as Allen if not before the accident and was legit HOF bound. If he was paired with Allen healthy they could have dominated for a few more years on that fact alone.

Yes Eric Williams was a beast and better than LA in my opinion before he crashed his car into a wall.

I liked when he slapped Reggie White and other pass rushers in the helmet with his cast... that caused their heads to ring and the NFL to outlaw the slaps.

 

[Legend]

The problem with that is by the time you improve one then another part of the team has to be rebuilt. That's the way it's been with Garrett. I'm not saying Dak can't eventually play in this league but he will never be successful here in Dallas. He needs to go somewhere else where a coach can actually help him.

But the Cowboys could have kept Dez at pay cut. Then acquired Josh Gordon.

For defense they could have acquired Eric Reid and/or traded for ET.

Each year I wish they work to upgrade instead of downgrade.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This is the part of the debate when the obtuse one, you, starts making things up that were never said.

No one ever said Aikman was a stud from 97-00. No one. You made that up. And did so because you are now getting whipped from all sides on your points. So all that's left is to exaggerate what people are saying, shoot that down and think you've secured that victory.

It's kind of sad, actually.

Go whine elsewhere if you can't take the heat. Facts are facts. Deal with it or go elsewhere.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Two years ago, Aikman stated there is nothing he does not like about Dak and Dak is the most impressive young man QB ...

And RG3 won rookie of the year...……………….teams adjust after they get a year of tape on you.

 

[btcutter]

Last year, Dak completed 63% of his passes... it was pretty much right at the league average.

In 1996, Troy completed 63% of his passes. That was #2 in the NFL behind Steve Young.

In the 90's DBs can grab/hold and mug WRs. In current era DBs can barely touch the WRs and will get called for holding. Throwing windows in the past are far tighter than current.

Just the eye test...simple. Just watch some tapes of Aikman's throws vs Dak's. Trust your eyes.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

But the Cowboys could have kept Dez at pay cut. Then acquired Josh Gordon.

For defense they could have acquired Eric Reid and/or traded for ET.

Each year I wish they work to upgrade instead of downgrade.

Well I never wanted Dez to go. Josh Gordon is too risky especially for a city like Dallas. I agree downgrading the WR's didn't do Dak any favors but he was all in on it. The rest is on the FO. Stephen is just cheap when it comes to upgrading this team.

 

[nate dizzle]

80s and 90s... LOL watch that first hit... Probably go to jail today not just be ejected haha

Ha! I don't understand why Bavaro didn't catch it.

 

[Sydla]

Go whine elsewhere if you can't take the heat. Facts are facts. Deal with it or go elsewhere.

LOL, facts?

OK, let's start with this "fact". Where did anyone suggest in this thread that Aikman, at the end of his career, was a "stud"?

Let's start there.

 

[zerofill]

All I want for Christmas is a new QB, new HC, new OC, and a couple more receivers in Dallas... I'm all good then... Will bring back some hope... until they crush it again lol.

 

[Sydla]

In the 90's DBs can grab/hold and mug WRs. In current era DBs can barely touch the WRs and will get called for holding. Throwing windows in the past are far tighter than current.

Just the eye test...simple. Just watch some tapes of Aikman's throws vs Dak's. Trust your eyes.

All anyone has to do is just look at the stats for QBs from the early 90s and compare them to QBs today. Ratings, QBR, completion percentages, yards, TDs........... they are all up and in some cases substantially. It's because the league has evolved into a more wide open, passing driven league where the league office has tightened the rules in the passing game to get the result we see - more passes, more scoring, etc.

 

[Bullflop]

At some point, Dak supporters will change their mind due to the sheer amount of inconsistent play being presented. I supported him well into his second year before changing my mind. Now, well into his 3rd year, the amount of evidence speaks for itself. Pressure confounds him.

Defensive coordinators now know that all they have to do to defeat the Cowboys is to stack the LOS, slow Zeke's roll, pressure Dak and the game is practically won. Unfortunately, there are far too many teams in the NFL with the capabilities of doing just that. It's catastrophic.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I would defer to Aikman any time. But its also obvious. I get the impression Dak holds the ball and is indecisive because even he knows he is not accurate enough to squeeze a ball into a receiver who is covered. But its worse than that. Remember the Panthers game when he overthrew Gathers in the end zone. Gathers was wide open. He underthrew Blake Jarwin on another play. This week he overthrew Austin for what should have been a big play. In this league those plays make a difference between a in and a loss potentially. You get those opportunities only a few times a game so missing those throws is huge.

I also think Dak does miss what defenses are doing a lot. Those blitzes the Texans were running. I could see they were going to blitz on my TV but Dak ran plays right into the blitzes a few times. The old saying is the way to stop those blitzes is to burn the defense a couple of times. Dak doesn't. So Aikman is probably right about Dak's anticipation too.

My only question is, is it Dak or poor QB coaching?

I have said this after the first week. He doesn't trust his arm, so outside of a wide open WR, he tends to hold on. now, does he do that 100% of the time? no, he has made some and let me repeat some tight throws, but they are far and few in between. When he does make those throws, his mechanics are sound. he sets his feet. he goes through proper throwing motions (should be second nature by now, but its not) and usually they his first read, he gets the ball, and he makes the throw....his mechanics are really bad when he starts to go to his second read and his feet are all over the place.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Adam. You're being mean! Now get back to work , I need those TPS reports ASAP

 

[LocimusPrime]

I feel ya silky