Why Dak still sucks

[Ranched]

In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

 

[Trouty]

Dak had a good game. His running did a lot more for us than his passing but he threw it good in the 1st half.

That being said, he’s gonna have to do that every game for the rest of the season for me to be comfortable with him as the long term starter. He’s been too inconsistent.

For Dak to do what he did yesterday, averaged out over the course of a season, he would break Michael Vick's single season rushing record by nearly 300 yds. It's too lofty an expectation to expect that kind of production every game. For any QB currently starting in the NFL.

Also, if this is a new thing, if/when his read option, draws etc are taken away or game planned for, he (and coaches) will have to adjust, and burn the defense with his arm, so that the defense will have to play true and allow him to gash on his feet. Otherwise, his running lanes will get snuffed out by any competent spy or biting DB

 

[khiladi]

Guys are supposed to get open in the passing game.

So Beasley wasn’t getting open?

Was he not open on the infamous Zeke stepping out of bounds play, with Dak looking right at him in the middle of the field:

 

[HungryLion]

Which Statline would you prefer?

22 of 38 for 313 yards with 0 tds and 2 ints, 13 rush yards, 1 rush td and a rating of 62.7

or

17 of 27 183 yards with 2 tds and 0 ints, 82 rush yards and 1 rush td and a rating of 107?



The first statline is Mahomes LAST WEEK AT HOME vs. Jax.

The 2nd is Dak's vs Jax at home yesterday.

Mahomes, with all of those weapons and all of that talent, couldn't do anything vs an actual NFL defense. At least he threw for 300 empty yards though!

They weren’t Empty yards though Ken. The chiefs scored 30 points and won the game.

I see the point you’re trying to make. But Mahomes wasn’t empty stats either.

 

[8FOR!3]

We put up 10 points more than the Chiefs did against the Jags last week and twice as many as the Pats put on the Jags earlier this year. Yes Dak has flaws and isn't a prototypical pocket QB but when we use him correctly and he's moving around and running and making plays and throws with his legs then he's shown he can put points on the board and we usually win those games. Accentuate the positives, hide the negatives, and stop trying to be something we're not.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[khiladi]

Which Statline would you prefer?

22 of 38 for 313 yards with 0 tds and 2 ints, 13 rush yards, 1 rush td and a rating of 62.7

or

17 of 27 183 yards with 2 tds and 0 ints, 82 rush yards and 1 rush td and a rating of 107?



The first statline is Mahomes LAST WEEK AT HOME vs. Jax.

The 2nd is Dak's vs Jax at home yesterday.

Mahomes, with all of those weapons and all of that talent, couldn't do anything vs an actual NFL defense. At least he threw for 300 empty yards though!

Clearly the Jaguars took Mahomes more seriously than they did Dak.. why not talk about the Giants, Lions, Seahawks and Panthers stat-lines..

I do prefer the 5-1 stat line..

 

[jrumann59]

Flacco , Wilson and Rivers all had impressive wins with around 200 yrds passing . Marriota , Mayfield , Alex Smith Carr Watson Dalton Cousins and the bills QBs all had 230 yrds or under Heck Marriota had 51 Carr 106 Watson 177 Alex Smith had 156 .

That's all you got Dak didn't get 200yrds It really affected the outcome of the game LOLOL Junk Thread throw this in the trash pile .

Like someone said the 200 yard comment is arbitrary it is about being an effective passer. In all the losses dak would throw passes short of the sticks when they need to be past the sticks. I could careless about yards so much when he makes a pass that is key to keeping drives alive. Some of that is on him, some of that is on receivers some of that is on the coaches but on sundays he is one calling the plays and reading the defenses.

 

[DUO_CORE]

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

Could you get a D- in grammar if you were really trying?

 

[HungryLion]

So Beasley wasn’t getting open?

Was he not open on the infamous Zeke stepping out of bounds play, with Dak looking right at him in the middle of the field:

Where did I say that Khiladi? No need to get defensive man and I don’t need some video posted for me either. I know Beasley has been getting open in other games.

I’m just sayin, you mentioned the fact that the receivers were getting open and using it as a reason to invalidate Dak’s play yesterday.

I said it’s the receivers jobs to get open.

I’m talking about the game yesterday. I am not defending Dak for his previous poor performances.

Relax dude. Your hatred for Dak has you on edge man. That you can’t even enjoy a game where he plays well overall and just enjoy the win.

 

[khiladi]

Throwing out weeks 1 and 2 conveniently among other things...

 

[khiladi]

Could you get a D- in grammar if you were really trying?

Cute.. a grammar ****, on a forum, where clearly I’m not trying very hard..

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

A lot had the Cowboys losing this game to the Jags with our offense struggles and the Jags having the number one defense, And the Cowboys manage to have their best offensive game of the season and dominate the Jags and some still aren't happy with it.

Dak may not have thrown for 300 yards. But, overall IMO this was his most well played game of the season.

 

[Scotman]

Glass half empty kinda guy are you

More like a broken glass kinda guy.

 

[InTheZone]

In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

Which is why I created a thread yesterday titled, "First half offense." My concerns with Dak were not eased one bit, but if we can replicate more of the good stuff from the first half we should be fine as an offense. We won't be able to compete against competent defenses but yesterdays 1st half offense will allow us to be in position to win most games assuming our defense doesn't get beaten like a drum.

Our 2nd half offense was a poor showing by Dak, but to keep people from missing my points I kept it positive and only related to the first half. Some people here simply can't take criticism without missing your valid points and without hijacking the thread into something it's not.

 

[khiladi]

For Dak to do what he did yesterday, averaged out over the course of a season, he would break Michael Vick's single season rushing record by nearly 300 yds. It's too lofty an expectation to expect that kind of production every game. For any QB currently starting in the NFL.

Also, if this is a new thing, if/when his read option, draws etc are taken away or game planned for, he (and coaches) will have to adjust, and burn the defense with his arm, so that the defense will have to play true and allow him to gash on his feet. Otherwise, his running lanes will get snuffed out by any competent spy or biting DB

This was basically the first time the Jaguars faced Dak and Zeke.. he wouldn’t hit those numbers again playing the Jags..

 

[BoysForLife]

Says the guy with one of the top 3 passers in NFL history in pretty much every statistical category as his QB.

 

[khiladi]

Which is why I created a thread yesterday titled, "First half offense." My concerns with Dak were not eased one bit, but if we can replicate more of the good stuff from the first half we should be fine as an offense. We won't be able to compete against competent defenses but yesterdays 1st half offense will allow us to be in position to win most games assuming our defense doesn't get beaten like a drum.

Our 2nd half offense was a poor showing by Dak, but to keep people from missing my points I kept it positive and only related to the first half. Some people here simply can't take criticism without missing your valid points and without hijacking the thread into something it's not.

Also remember, this is the first time the Jaguars ever faced Dak and Zeke and their whole first half was riddled miscommunication on defense. After half-time adjustments, they didn’t gave any difficulties.

As I said, Dak’s third quarter struggles are well known. Ten out of 16 games last year, they went scoreless in the third and that includes the games against the Giants and Commanders, who were disasters by the end of the season.

Dak has been bad this year as well in the third, but Dak’s play overall has just been that bad.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

I understand why you might be concerned, but Dak was a leader in the game yesterday. That is what matters. The Cowboys played their best game of complete football in a long time. Yes, Dak's lack of passing will most likely continue to be a problem, but yesterday he was a strong game for him.

 

[Scotman]

I get it, you can't dicount the fact that he got two really lucky bounces and was fortunate to not have the ball picked off. But if you use that logic, you have to take away the same negatives when it doesn't bounce his way. It just is what it is. I personally think he needs to run...a lot...to loosen up defenses. He isn't going to stand in the pocket and beat you with his arm, especially with these receivers.

He played the game in a way that got us a win. You can't take that away and just call it luck. He needs to get better and keep improving. I don't know if he can. I'm skeptical. But everything isn't just "luck" either.