Why Dak still sucks

[Number1]

back to reality

completed to "9 different targets and only 3 were here last year"

can JG actually make that work?

 

[khiladi]

When I first called you out on your silly points.
Oh look! There's another one!

Silly point that is the very topic of this thread? What did you call me out on, when you don’t even know what the original topic of the thread is about?

 

[aikemirv]

I really don't care about amount of yards per say. I do care about making plays when they need to be made, converting 3rd downs. Dak did that yesterday and has one or 2 other times this year. He needs to be able to do it every game, not just the ones where he is successful running the ball. The coaching staff has to be ultra creative to win with Dak, the play calling has to be spot on. He is not going to line up and beat you with his arm.

Dak converted 4-11 3rd downs yesterday - all in the first half and all were scoring drives. that is 36%. He is 28% converting 3rd downs thru the air this year.

22% in 3 losses

33% in 3 wins

When you comvert 3rd downs in a drive you usually score

 

[G2]

back to reality

completed to "9 different targets and only 3 were here last year"

can JG actually make that work?

Well we know it can work, but it's been inconsistent. That's what should improve as time goes on and hopefully without any more major setbacks.

 

[khiladi]

I really don't care about amount of yards per say. I do care about making plays when they need to be made, converting 3rd downs. Dak did that yesterday and has one or 2 other times this year. He needs to be able to do it every game, not just the ones where he is successful running the ball. The coaching staff has to be ultra creative to win with Dak, the play calling has to be spot on. He is not going to line up and beat you with his arm.

Dak converted 4-11 3rd downs yesterday - all in the first half and all were scoring drives. that is 36%. He is 28% converting 3rd downs thru the air this year.

22% in 3 losses

33% in 3 wins

When you comvert 3rd downs in a drive you usually score

Like I said, absolutely mediocre in the second half and couldn’t sustain drives. Lucky for us, we got out to a huge lead based on all sorts of miscommunication by the Jags and their awful offense and our good defense.

Like I said, Dak in the third quarter is garbage going back to last year. 10 out of 16 games he went scoreless in 2017, including against garbage defenses.

 

[HowardC]

Glad to see you’re really enjoying yesterday’s win.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What a strange thread.

Dak was the best player on the field yesterday and it wasn't even close. Maybe Zeke a distant 2nd.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak had a good game. His running did a lot more for us than his passing but he threw it good in the 1st half.

That being said, he’s gonna have to do that every game for the rest of the season for me to be comfortable with him as the long term starter. He’s been too inconsistent.

As long as the Oline blocks like yesterday Dak balls. Its as simple as that.

 

[CF74]

In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

Dak throws high erratic passes often, I’ll give u that but how much of this due to receivers not being on the same page, or not having enough room to throw over certain players, or pass protection breaking down?

The answer is All of the above..

Gotta look at the film to see each situation, it’s not All Dak sucking, probably only 20% of the time and that is huge enough, especially against stronger opponents...

 

[OmerV]

Why not then go to a thread where Dak answers doubters by not throwing for 200 yards in light of all his criticism for not being able to throw for 200 yards and be a cheerleader there?

So how does rushing over 200 yards affect the need to throw the ball, that one is calling passing plays ten times, meaning close to 70% in the third quarter? That’s a good question..

How come Dak couldn’t get thirty or forty yards before the third quarter to break 200 when he’s been a laughing stock all across the country that he’s at Quincy Carter levels despite going pass ten times in the quarter?

By my count there were 10 passes and 9 runs called in the 3rd quarter, which is 53% of the plays called being passes, not the 70% you claimed. Of those 10 pass plays, there were only 7 passes thrown, with 2 plays being sacks, and one being a 28 yard scramble for the 1st down. 2 more passes were intentionally thrown away because a receiver wasn't open. So, all in all, he was 3-6 on passes where there was an attempt at a completion.

Ultimately not a strong quarter, but not the disaster you seem to think. And in any case, so what if it wasn't a great quarter? Are you under the impression that other QBs are great every quarter they play, or do you just judge our QB differently?

As for the 200 yards, are you really under the impression the goal was for Dak to show doubters he could throw for 200 yards - that at the forefront of his mind was silencing critics rather than winning? That's pretty nonsensical.

And you don't understand how having success on the ground and having a huge lead affects the need to pass the ball? Boy, that's a head scratcher. The Cowboys were playing very conservatively in the 3rd quarter, even when they passed the ball. I thought probably too conservatively.

 

[ConstantReboot]

In the third quarter ALONE, Dak THREW it nine times and the tenth was when he broke pocket after spinning into the DT to the right, but escaped for that gain. Dak homers, as justification for the fact he couldn’t break 200 yards passing, are pinning this like the Cowboys just decided to stop passed. Dak tried PASSING around 70% of the time in third quarter and his most successful play was when he broke pocket on a three man rush, almost spinning himself into a sack.

He made one awful throw that should on the almost INT by Ramsey and the other, series when Heath put them at the Jaguars 8, he threw it twice and cane away with a field goal. The problem with the Ramsey throw was that it was right after Kaguars matched up the field and scored a TD, meaning it could have easily shifted the momentum and put it at 24-14 if they had any competent offense. The next field goal was the off worst throw in NFL history by Bortles to Heath.

Then came the fumble by the Jags and Dallas decided they had enough and ran it with Zeke pretty much every time.

The Jaguars basically adjusted after their incompetent first half and Dak was Dak. The defense also got its TOs against this garbage Jags offense that turned it over five times last week and allowed the Cowboys to pull ahead while Dak floundered passing.

The point being Dak couldn’t even break 200 yards passing when he was still TRYING.

I only read your last sentence. Dak wasn't trying to break 200 yards passing. I know. He told me so.

 

[OmerV]

How can the fans enjoy a dominant team performance and win? Dak didn't even throw a tum tootler or bing bangler. He didn't attempt to pass a lang lolly or plum pooler. There were no flang flingers, or rootle kaboodles either. Dak didn't even bother to bring a Roast Beast!

I heard he took the team out for roast beast after the game. He also invited little Cindy Lou Who along for the festivities, but khiladi cut the battery cable on their car so they couldn't come.

 

[khiladi]

By my count there were 10 passes and 8 runs called in the 3rd quarter, which is 56% of the plays called being passes, not the 70% you claimed. Of those 10 pass plays, there were only 7 passes thrown, with 2 plays being sacks, and one being a 28 yard scramble for the 1st down. 2 more passes were intentionally thrown away because a receiver wasn't open. So, all in all, he was 3-6 on passes where there was an attempt at a completion.

Ultimately not a strong quarter, but not the disaster you seem to think. And in any case, so what if it wasn't a great quarter? Are you under the impression that other QBs are great every quarter they play, or do you just judge our QB differently?

As for the 200 yards, are you really under the impression that the goal of the game was for Dak to show doubters he could throw for 200 yards? That at the forefront of his mind was how to shut up critics rather than winning the game? That's pretty nonsensical.

And you don't understand how having success on the ground and having a huge lead affects the need to pass the ball? Boy, that's a head scratcher. The Cowboys were playing very conservatively in the 3rd quarter, even when they passed the ball. I thought probably too conservatively.

Dude, you just love to argue for the sake of arguing, I said “close to 70”. They passed a majority of the time and were absolute trash and with ten times, he would have needed a 3-4 YPC to break 200 yards. Over and over again, you do dumb stuff like this. His passing was pathetic, no matter how you spin it.

Did it demonstrate a good passing game or is that the very definition of suckage there with Dak, who had a tendency to suck majorly in the third? Obviously it sucker..

Then you claim I said getting over 200 is the goal over winning? Did I say that? I would say you are delusional if you don’t think Dak’s inability to get over 200 yards in a passing game wasn’t on his mind when every headline called it out. Like I said, read the thread properly. There was a thread that brought up 200 yards specifically after the game, praising Dak arguing he could have gotten 200 yards but they rested on their laurels in the second half, which is false.

Now you are changing the argument toyou thought they were playing too conservatively in the third, because you know your previous argument is stupid that then running wouldn’t affect their passing. So now their passing was conservative.. give me a break..

 

[Dre11]

Lol...and people wonder why I made that post last yesterday

 

[khiladi]

I only read your last sentence. Dak wasn't trying to break 200 yards passing. I know. He told me so.

Yeah, I’m sure he wasn’t trying to average 3-4 YPC to get forty yards to break 200 in the third, even if unintentionally..

He absolutely sucked the second half..

 

[Dre11]

LOL what do you expect exactly? Those of us that believe Dak is not a franchise QB can't take too much heart in this victory....know why? Cuz it shows that this team has some very real talent on it that will be handicapped by the team's most important position...it's the ultimate gut punch. Those enjoying the victory are the ones somehow wanting it to work with Dak or believe that he'll get better to the point where he'll be able to score with the top dogs....it's not cuz you're better fans.

Then take your butt to another team that has a qb you like.

 

[Dre11]

I've been a part of this forum for around 15 years. I've seen Romo love post, Dez love post, Dak love post, Dak hate post, Dez hate post, Romo hate post. Even seen "hidden agenda" post where it's worded as nothing to do with all the above but they know someone will comment to turn it into one of the above post. With all that said, this might take the cake as the dumbest post I've seen. 40-7 and you still start a Dak sucks post? Some might say at least your consistent, I see it as just plain dumb. Lol

I'm with you...lol

 

[Dre11]

Sounds like you are more of a hater than a fan of winning!!
Why does he need over 200 yards passing, do you even hear yourself?? We must continue to play to his strengths and the strength of our offense, he rushed for over 80 yards, that counts as much as throwing.

Be satisfied with a great Win, a good outing against the #1 Def.
Dak play is butt off, got the win so your comments are worthless at this point!

 

[Number1]

I really don't care about amount of yards per say. I do care about making plays when they need to be made, converting 3rd downs. Dak did that yesterday and has one or 2 other times this year. He needs to be able to do it every game, not just the ones where he is successful running the ball. The coaching staff has to be ultra creative to win with Dak, the play calling has to be spot on. He is not going to line up and beat you with his arm.

Dak converted 4-11 3rd downs yesterday - all in the first half and all were scoring drives. that is 36%. He is 28% converting 3rd downs thru the air this year.

22% in 3 losses

33% in 3 wins

When you comvert 3rd downs in a drive you usually score

with a lead Dak is real willing to throw it away - unlike most people that's ok with me, I'm not into fantasy football

you mention Dak had 4 conversations on 3rd down in the first half, I think he faced 5 - but is that relevant when they had 15+ first downs in the first half

sure I'd like to see the 3rd down conversion rate up, but it's usually high 1st and 2nd down conversion rates that dominate a game

when you make 1st downs and TDs you tend to win - the more 3rd downs you face the less likely you are to score

 

[OmerV]

Dude, you just love to argue for the sake of arguing, I said “close to 70”. They passed a majority of the time and were absolute trash and with ten times, he would have needed a 3-4 YPC to break 200 yards. Over and over again, you do dumb stuff like this. His passing was pathetic, no matter how you spin it.

Did it demonstrate a good passing game or is that the very definition of suckage there with Dak, who had a tendency to suck majorly in the third? Obviously it sucker..

Then you claim I said getting over 200 is the goal over winning? Did I say that? I would say you are delusional if you don’t think Dak’s inability to get over 200 yards in a passing game wasn’t on his mind when every headline called it out. Like I said, read the thread properly. There was a thread that bright up 200 yards specifically after the game, praising Dak arguing he could have gotten 200 yards but they rested on their laurels in the second half, which is false.

Now you are changing the argument toyou thought they were playing too conservatively in the third, because you know your previous argument is stupid that then running wouldn’t affect their passing. So now their passing was conservative.. give me a break..

I actually found there was another run, so it was only 53% they passed. Either way, claiming 70% rather than 53% or 56% is a considerable stretch. You didn't bother with facts, you made up a number for effect.

You still aren't making sense on the significance of getting 200 yards, much less having to do it by the end of the 3rd quarter. Even if 200 yards was on Dak's mind, which I doubt he was concerned about, then why would there be any urgency to get it before the end of the 3rd quarter? That doesn't make an iota of sense.

How many past 3rd quarters did Dak have a 24-0 lead? It's silly to pretend circumstances didn't matter.

In a way you did say 200 yards would be the goal over winning, because your suggestion is that Dak should have been focused on getting 200 yards to silence critics. I can't express how utterly stupid it is to suggest that a QB should play with that in mind, and with that as a focus. To do that would be putting self interest ahead of the team goal.

What Dak should have been focused on was doing what it took to win, not making mistakes that could turn the momentum of an otherwise lopsided game, and sticking to the game plan. If that led him to 150 yards, or 200 yards, or 300 yards isn't what's important. You are making it out to somehow be a key.

And, again, so what if Dak wasn't spectacular? Why is it so important to you to sully a big, impressive win? I'm still waiting for that answer.