I am sick of one side officiating

[MarcusRock]

You'd have to just about go back in time one year in the posting history of the CZ to find the lengthy span of NON-FLAGGED offensive holding penalties being inflicted on our defensive rushmen,it was starting to get some real twittersphere face time,so a couple were called a week or two later,thusly making it a non-issue.

He was saying that there's data stating that such a stretch had only happened 1 other time in NFL history and that it also coincided with Jones melonfeuding with Goodell at the time (see what I did there?). If that's true, that would easily be cause for a news article to insinuate that the NFL was issuing payback to Jones via not penalizing our opponents to get Cowboys fans all up in arms. If there's no Zapruder data, surely there'd be an article that blasted this angle to create controversy. Is there one? Methinks not.

 

[InTheZone]

Check out Seattle, I glanced at their stats and stopped around 2013 but they have been the worst in the league a few times and bottom ten every other time. Think they have something to complain about?

So do you truly believe that certain officials are being told and/or paid by Goodell to cost us games?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but not all the time and maybe not this year, but last year was confirmation. Maybe the officials are just coincidentally terrible from Romo's days, but who knows for how long the influence extended prior based on what we saw last year during Zekes mess.

 

[MarcusRock]

Check out Seattle, I glanced at their stats and stopped around 2013 but they have been the worst in the league a few times and bottom ten every other time. Think they have something to complain about?

So do you truly believe that certain officials are being told and/or paid by Goodell to cost us games?

Seattle has had a historically bad OL (with a lot of injuries) so they committed a ton of penalties that Russell Wilson has had to overcome almost his entire career. Fans here say that Romo kept a lot of bad teams competitive. Bad teams commit penalties because they're not as competitive. Makes sense ... unless "we wuz robbed."

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

AND I POSTED A VIDEO SHOWING FROM THE START, how convenient you missed it...

both players had initiated contact and the refs let it go. I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore. If you haven't noticed I'm being arguing convenient once in a lifetime penalties that seemingly get called against us in critical times and I've said for years we've been getting abused by officials, along with proof from last season.

Point me to it or tell me the page and I'll look at it.

So you're claiming deliberate abuse by officials but you don't want to be known as a conspiracy theorist?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yes, but not all the time and maybe not this year, but last year was confirmation. Maybe the officials are just coincidentally terrible from Romo's days, but who knows for how long the influence extended prior based on what we saw last year during Zekes mess.

Soooooo, that would make you a conspiracy theorist.

 

[InTheZone]

Soooooo, that would make you a conspiracy theorist.

No, just calling out what I see. If selective calls never happened then you'd be right.

 

[Melonfeud]

He was saying that there's data stating that such a stretch had only happened 1 other time in NFL history and that it also coincided with Jones melonfeuding with Goodell at the time (see what I did there?). If that's true, that would easily be cause for a news article to insinuate that the NFL was issuing payback to Jones via not penalizing our opponents to get Cowboys fans all up in arms. If there's no Zapruder data, surely there'd be an article that blasted this angle to create controversy. Is there one? Methinks not.

(Ya,I saw that,,,+1 point awarded, Bro)

Yes,I don't recall clicking on any posted link, other than seeing a couple of reposted twittersphere blurts, and the original forum member who'd first posted about it,,,yet, that member is by all accounts deemed of impeccably good forum form& stature, and
( to me) questioning the data wasn't necessary.

 

[InTheZone]

Point me to it or tell me the page and I'll look at it.

So you're claiming deliberate abuse by officials but you don't want to be known as a conspiracy theorist?

Not enough proof last season with the blatant holds not being called? Then later the same complaints Lawrence had?

If you believe there's no bias whatsoever in officiating at any level then more power to you!

 

[Seven]

So you didn't know pro wrestling was fake?

Gee.....I thought when 250lb men punch each other in the face repeatedly without a drop of blood we had the real deal...............

 

[MarcusRock]

(Ya,I saw that,,,+1 point awarded, Bro)

Yes,I don't recall clicking on any posted link, other than seeing a couple of reposted twittersphere blurts, and the original forum member who'd first posted about it,,,yet, that member is by all accounts deemed of impeccably good forum form& stature, and
( to me) questioning the data wasn't necessary.

Thanks for the info. This is why I want verifiable data because I've engaged with said "impeccably good forum form & stature" poster on the Dez no catch play and proven various compelling story lines to be outright falsehoods to go along with other unanswered questions. If you're confident, present well, and at least appear to know what you're talking about, you can easily lead people who desperately want to believe what you're spewing. So this I advise in today's age of digital spin and deception: one needs to question EVERYTHING. But many are just fine with a flattering, "convenient" truth whether actually true or not. No sweat off my back if they want to but don't expect me to engage in the denial game needed to keep up a biased agenda.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Gee.....I thought when 250lb men punch each other in the face repeatedly without a drop of blood we had the real deal...............

But you claimed you didn't watch it, lol.

 

[aria]

Yes, but not all the time and maybe not this year, but last year was confirmation. Maybe the officials are just coincidentally terrible from Romo's days, but who knows for how long the influence extended prior based on what we saw last year during Zekes mess.

Lol, so obviously you believe it’s league wide so multiple officials are in on it and yet nothing has ever been said or proven of a NFL referee conspiracy outside of the accusations on this site?

So do you also think it happens to other teams or just the Cowboys?

 

[Kaiser]

If there was a search feature that would help but I was hoping your bat signal would help to bring the data here.

The search feature is called Google, the rest of the posters here seem to have figured that out.

This is the timeline and Percy's numbers are post 16:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/timeline-of-goodells-contract-and-holding-penalties.391290/

Also this one from @Pants

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/holding-call-stats-confirmed.391218/

 

[Kaiser]

Stephen A. Cohen?

Is that an auto-correct because I literally have no idea of who that's supposed to be?

The point is you were in the middle of all those threads about the numbers so you saw it then. The fact that holding calls started happening again right after Goodell's contract was resolved is even more evidence toward the "conspiracy" than we were posting then.

FYI, this is the Cohen discussion you were in -

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/holding-call-stats-confirmed.391218/page-5

 

[Kaiser]

I think it has more to do with the timing of rarely called penalties and the fact that for several years prior we were getting the worst of it,

Agree on timing, in the Chargers game last year during Zeke/Goodell Gate Dak threw a pass to put the Cowboys ahead and I said to myself "they will call this back". After the score a late flag came out with a phatom holding call on a Dallas OL. A few minutes later Rivers threw a TD pass and there were two obvious holds on their OL that weren't called.

I've said for years the bad calls will generally even out and the league isn't blantantly crooked. Its not the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. But way too many things happen that cooincide with the leagues financial interest - or in the holding calls case - Goodell personally having hundreds of milions of dollars in salary on the line.

 

[MarcusRock]

The search feature is called Google, the rest of the posters here seem to have figured that out.

This is the timeline and Percy's numbers are post 16:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/timeline-of-goodells-contract-and-holding-penalties.391290/

Also this one from @Pants

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/holding-call-stats-confirmed.391218/

Okay, why don't we recap what I actually asked for as stated by you ....

And last year you will never convince me that it was a fluke that holding calls on Dallas opponents completely stopped for 8 weeks when Jerry challenged Goodell's contract extension and the started again once the issue was resolved - something that statistically has only happened twice in NFL history - and its just a coincidence.

Where is it documented that such no calls on opposing OLs has only happened twice in NFL history? Rarity of the occurrence was my number 1 question to people when they trot this out.

What you gave me was, "Gee, we had more judgment penalty calls against us during part of 1 year. Not overall more penalty calls, just the judgment ones vs. opponents" The other one was "opponent OLs were only flagged 4 times so far in the year" (nothing on whether that was actually least in the NFL or there was a team with less. And "our OL has been called for more holds than any other team" (by 1 over 4 other teams). No links to independent data to be found in either, which I suspected and was right.

So where, in your own words, is evidence of "something that statistically has only happened twice in NFL history"? Or did you make this up to serve as MiracleGro for the grassy knoll? Link? Article? Anything? I doubt it. You people are riding toboggans in your noggins.

 

[Melonfeud]

Thanks for the info. This is why I want verifiable data because I've engaged with said "impeccably good forum form & stature" poster on the Dez no catch play and proven various compelling story lines to be outright falsehoods to go along with other unanswered questions. If you're confident, present well, and at least appear to know what you're talking about, you can easily lead people who desperately want to believe what you're spewing. So this I advise in today's age of digital spin and deception: one needs to question EVERYTHING. But many are just fine with a flattering, "convenient" truth whether actually true or not. No sweat off my back if they want to but don't expect me to engage in the denial game needed to keep up a biased agenda.

Well,it was rather odd when other forum members ( after this apparently controversial factiod broke) were pointing out ,I guess from the All22 ,still photos of blantant NON-FLAGGED offensive holding infractions (I believe @xwalker posted up some or posted supporting evidence to the claim,,,but I've drank several gallons of Kentucky straight Bourbon & slept a few times since,so taking that into account I shouldn't be taken as the gospel)

 

[Captain43Crash]

I am sick of basic and predictable Offensive game plans. Garrett and Linehan cost us way more games than the refs!!!!!!

 

[Seven]

But you claimed you didn't watch it, lol.

Advertising, foo. Commercials. They have those on TV. Yah, seriously. Der-de-der.........

 

[MarcusRock]

Well,it was rather odd when other forum members ( after this apparently controversial factiod broke) were pointing out ,I guess from the All22 ,still photos of blantant NON-FLAGGED offensive holding infractions (I believe @xwalker posted up some or posted supporting evidence to the claim,,,but I've drank several gallons of Kentucky straight Bourbon & slept a few times since,so taking that into account I shouldn't be taken as the gospel)

I don't doubt at all that there were missed holding calls during that stretch. The anti-CONSPIRACY! point is that missed calls happen to every team and that there's no "let's get the Cowboys" mandate from Goodell or Mara or anyone. These are the things some people start to dream up when they support a team that doesn't win. Something, ANYTHING else is responsible for a team one supports that doesn't win. So when you can't bring yourself to say you support a loser then you have to create some big, bad machine at work that the Cowboys and fans are powerless to fight against and that's why they don't win. To me, it's basically identifying with a team so much so that it becomes part of your identity and the need to keep that identity positive becomes a primary motivation. How that's accomplished is a creative venture, but one that's pretty predictable as I've illustrated in this very thread.