I am sick of one side officiating

[Melonfeud]

I don't doubt at all that there were missed holding calls during that stretch. The anti-CONSPIRACY! point is that missed calls happen to every team and that there's no "let's get the Cowboys" mandate from Goodell or Mara or anyone. These are the things some people start to dream up when they support a team that doesn't win. Something, ANYTHING else is responsible for a team one supports that doesn't win. So when you can't bring yourself to say you support a loser then you have to create some big, bad machine at work that the Cowboys and fans are powerless to fight against and that's why they don't win. To me, it's basically identifying with a team so much so that it becomes part of your identity and the need to keep that identity positive becomes a primary motivation. How that's accomplished is a creative venture, but one that's pretty predictable as I've illustrated in this very thread.

Ya,I always enjoyed seeing our team overcome timely and/or untimely calls that for the most part should draw off that head of working pressure steam their chugging down the field on,I think the #9 was pretty good at it( most notably was the entire 2014 season) in overcoming the down&distance Setback's of the penalties& keeping the unit focused,,, I mean like a 3rd&15 is now a 3rd& 25,,, and dude just nails it for the first,,, ya,seeing that always got my jollies rolling

 

[Melonfeud]

The point is you were in the middle of all those threads about the numbers so you saw it then. The fact that holding calls started happening again right after Goodell's contract was resolved is even more evidence toward the "conspiracy" than we were posting then.

FYI, this is the Cohen discussion you were in -

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/holding-call-stats-confirmed.391218/page-5

Dang!,,,even ol' @haleyrules was laying down some "Likes" in that thread

 

[speedkilz88]

Snapping To It: Time passed sure hasn’t lessened the bitterness over the “snap infraction” called on long snapper L.P. Ladouceur as Cowboys kicker Brett Maher was ready to attempt a 47-yard field goal in the final seconds of the Washington game when the Commanders jumped offsides. And if you go back to watch the All-22, it was Daron Payne’s teammate Caleb Brantley lined up to his right flinching that caused the rookie to jump offsides, not Ladouceur’s left hand coming down on the ball as he laid it flat to snap. And if you go back and watch Ladouceur’s hand operation of the early fourth-quarter field goal and the extra point just minutes earlier, he does the exact same thing. My experienced guess is if the Commanders had not jumped there would have been no flag. Man oh man.


https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mick-shots-nothing-seems-off-about-this-week

 

[InTheZone]

Lol, so obviously you believe it’s league wide so multiple officials are in on it and yet nothing has ever been said or proven of a NFL referee conspiracy outside of the accusations on this site?

So do you also think it happens to other teams or just the Cowboys?

I believe in some officiating bias is across all sports (doesn't mean they're all in, doesn't mean it's every game, doesn't mean it's only against the Cowboys, doesn't mean every penalty against Dallas is part of it)...but I'm done here if you think all officials and commissioners are clean as Jesus. The proof was clear as day last year, can you address that instead of "LOL no way my league is corrupted in any bit".

Do you care to look at the zeke situation with Goodell off the field instead? I'm not understanding how it's not obvious.

 

[Bleedblue1111]

Yes, but not all the time and maybe not this year, but last year was confirmation. Maybe the officials are just coincidentally terrible from Romo's days, but who knows for how long the influence extended prior based on what we saw last year during Zekes mess.

Anyone that doesn't think officials can't be bought or manipulated ever, isn't a Dallas Mavericks fan. It really happened in the NBA Finals in 2006. Some people just like to remain naive, by denying so.

https://syndication-bleacherreport-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2744705-disgraced-former-ref-tim-donaghy-says-mavericks-were-screwed-out-of-2006-title.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ==#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

 

[Melonfeud]

I believe in some officiating bias is across all sports (doesn't mean they're all in, doesn't mean it's every game, doesn't mean it's only against the Cowboys, doesn't mean every penalty against Dallas is part of it)...but I'm done here if you think all officials and commissioners are clean as Jesus. The proof was clear as day last year, can you address that instead of "LOL no way my league is corrupted in any bit".

Do you care to look at the zeke situation with Goodell off the field instead? I'm not understanding how it's not obvious.

I'm sure y'all can recall the bulldog tenacity of an investing reporter of the likes of an up-n- comer like a Geraldo Rivera from way back in the day,,,well, I think an equally tenaciously applied investigative eye definitely needs to be applied to the probable " brown paper bags of cash" These zebra uniformed persons of obvious game changing capabilities ARE MORE THAN LIKELY BEING THE RECIPIENTS OF,,,ya,know?,,, man, in this insulated MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR sphere of self run fiefdom that considers itself beyond reproach that is the N.F.L.
( it'll make a federal case out of a dropped local judiciary case of dropped charges,mind you, in it's quest for justification in upholding it's proscribed rules& by- laws, albeit, apparently at it's selective discretion) certainly should be APPROACHED with an eye of underlying corruption at the very center of it's evil soul,,,MAN!,,,Even yer' senile grandmother knows that much ,even after dementia has sapped off the best of her recollections long ago,,,,,,
An influx of elevated lifestyle like 2 months after an officiated playoff game hose job,the culprit zebra flag slinger got a new beemer or jag parked in the drive way of his $180,000 chicken wire& stucco drywalled crap box subdivision home,,,ya know?

 

[DogFace]

NFL fires referee Hugo Cruz for poor officiating over a sustained period. On the provided tweet he completely misses the blatantly obvious false start by Okung.

The is this speaks to two things related to Cowboy fan conspiracy theorist:

1. Missed calls happen all around the league. Cowboy conpiracists only think it happens to us.

2. Hugo Cruz was a bad ref that made poor calls (or didn't properly penalize when there was an infraction). Cowboy conspiracists don't inact Occam's Razor...that the very nature of refereeing is subjectively making judgement calls based on what you see (or don't see) and understand (i.e. the rulebook). As such, that makes them susceptible to bad or missed calls. Instead conspiracists go straight to claims of coordinated conspiring and unsubstantiated claims of personal bias.

How could I substantiate a claim of personal bias? If I was to survey refs could I insure the refs didn’t lie?

That’s the same as asking you to prove, in the scientific sense, not mathematical sense, that there is no personal bias.

It is possible to provide reasonable evidence that a negative doesn’t exist.

 

[aria]

I believe in some officiating bias is across all sports (doesn't mean they're all in, doesn't mean it's every game, doesn't mean it's only against the Cowboys, doesn't mean every penalty against Dallas is part of it)...but I'm done here if you think all officials and commissioners are clean as Jesus. The proof was clear as day last year, can you address that instead of "LOL no way my league is corrupted in any bit".

Do you care to look at the zeke situation with Goodell off the field instead? I'm not understanding how it's not obvious.

Sure there may be bias as there is in most things in life but what you’re suggesting means there would have to be a systematic collaborative effort by multiple officials to purposely and consistently put the Cowboys at a disadvantage.

The non holding calls you continually reference didn’t happen over one game therefore it wasn’t an isolated incident of bias or one official be bought off, so again, it would have taken multiple officials working together to make that happen over the course of several games. I don’t buy it.

There’s also a difference between bias and officials being bought out or influenced by Goodell to screw the Cowboys which some have suggested. 1) I don’t think Roger is even stupid enough to approach that many officials, all it would take is one to “blow the whistle” and not only would Rogers career be wrecked but the NFL. 2) The Cowboys are the NFL’s biggest money maker which not only helps Goodell but other owners as well, the Cowboys being in the playoffs only helps the NFL yet some of you think he hates the Cowboys that much that he’d rather sacrifice making his “company” look good because he doesn’t like Jerry which there is no evidence of either.

People used to talk about how chummy Goodell and Kraft were and than Deflate Gate happened which blew their whole “Goodell loves the Patriots/Kraft and that’s why they always have calls fo their way”. Point being, you can pick apart every little statistic but there isn’t a single fact that proves we are always getting screwed more than any other team on a regular basis.
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[DogFace]

the grabbing of the jersey when both were contacting each other 2 yards off the line did not slow his movement. If anyone's crying over a hold they're looking at the end of the play after offensive PI and hands to the face was committed.

And you couldn't contain yourself again I see, ready to call out conspiracy theories where no one suggested otherwise. Do you see people complaining about the refs missing the hold on Gallup on Daks strip sack/fumble/td? No, ok then...but we have legitimate holds on the skins offensive line, but surely you think we're all just seeing holds because we want to see them...

Be careful. He will whine to the mods if you’re too stern with him. He’s cried about me even when I sent him a personal message.

Loves to dish it out though. As is the case with most crybabies.

 

[DogFace]

Thanks for the info. This is why I want verifiable data because I've engaged with said "impeccably good forum form & stature" poster on the Dez no catch play and proven various compelling story lines to be outright falsehoods to go along with other unanswered questions. If you're confident, present well, and at least appear to know what you're talking about, you can easily lead people who desperately want to believe what you're spewing. So this I advise in today's age of digital spin and deception: one needs to question EVERYTHING. But many are just fine with a flattering, "convenient" truth whether actually true or not. No sweat off my back if they want to but don't expect me to engage in the denial game needed to keep up a biased agenda.

You’re seriously trying to say the Dez catch debate ended well for you???

 

[Melonfeud]

Sure there may be bias as there is in most things in life but what you’re suggesting means there would have to be a systematic collaborative effort by multiple officials to purposely and consistently put the Cowboys at a disadvantage.

The non holding calls you continually reference didn’t happen over one game therefore it wasn’t an isolated incident of bias or one official be bought off, so again, it would have taken multiple officials working together to make that happen over the course of several games. I don’t buy it.

There’s also a difference between bias and officials being bought out or influenced by Goodell to screw the Cowboys which some have suggested. 1) I don’t think Roger is even stupid enough to approach that many officials, all it would take is one to “blow the whistle” and not only would Rogers career be wrecked but the NFL. 2) The Cowboys are the NFL’s biggest money maker which not only helps Goodell but other owners as well, the Cowboys being in the playoffs only helps the NFL yet some of you think he hates the Cowboys that much that he’d rather sacrifice making his “company” look good because he doesn’t like Jerry which there is no evidence of either.

People used to talk about how chummy Goodell and Kraft were and than Deflate Gate happened which blew their whole “Goodell loves the Patriots/Kraft and that’s why they always have calls fo their way”. Point being, you can pick apart every little statistic but there isn’t a single fact that proves we are always getting screwed more than any other team on a regular basis.
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Quite frankly my dear amigo!
Yer' narrow viewport ocular gander from the up armoured comforts of yer' own mind's eye is really not of the general common
" assault wave of terminal view"such as that of the amassed onslaught masses of fans whom also watch! cuz' they got next weeks cash money riding on this games outcome also,merely waiting to be unleashed upon these pilfering manipulative mo-fo's of inner designed devise ,oh yeah,,,it's true ,Bro!

 

[Risen Star]

I am so tired of the refs screwing us.

Every year they hold back our talent and I'm sick of it.

 

[DogFace]

I am so tired of the refs screwing us.

Every year they hold back our talent and I'm sick of it.

Our d line wasn’t too bad last year. Lawrence was doing well, leading the league? Or close, before the steak started.


I agree that literally held back our talent from achieving more.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah we have the best team in the NFL and the officials are holding us back, and other teams. pisses me off. We're better than them, why can't they let us win.

 

[Melonfeud]

I am so tired of the refs screwing us.

Every year they hold back our talent and I'm sick of it.

I could always tell there was a majority load of freebooter rouge pirate in ye, me Eastern coast swabbie ladster! HAR! may the RAGE OF A SWASHBUCKLING BLESSING forever reside within yer' CASING-LINER henceforth & forever more me BREATHERN

 

[MarcusRock]

Be careful. He will whine to the mods if you’re too stern with him. He’s cried about me even when I sent him a personal message.

Loves to dish it out though. As is the case with most crybabies.

When someone attempts to carry a debate from the forums into someone else's personal messages, something is wrong with them. Seriously. No discussion on this board warrants that. You couldn't take being ignored and I did so because you weren't offering anything of substance. You were simply parroting your ringleader so I dealt directly with the ringleader and ignored the noise which is the best way to deal with a topic fueled by emotional people who don't actually know the NFL rules.

You’re seriously trying to say the Dez catch debate ended well for you???

Unanswered questions posed to the catch theorists tells people all they need to know about those debates if they're actually looking for the truth. And again, harboring animosity towards someone you debated who had all but forgotten about those debates speaks volumes about who "won." Sometimes when a dog barks, it's because he's wounded. You and another catch theorist fit this bill. Are those the actions of "winners" or people bitter about being schooled? Like I mentioned, I mostly ignored y'all but y'all went into rabid mode every time I pinned your leader which means you follow the framework of how conspiracy theories work that I outlined in my last post. After y'all hitched your wagons to a viewpoint, y'all didn't want to admit you back a losing side so much that you have to make everything else at fault or just really, really, really convince yourself you didn't actually lose. You people follow to form so closely it's like Psych 101 in this thread.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

How could I substantiate a claim of personal bias? If I was to survey refs could I insure the refs didn’t lie?

That’s the same as asking you to prove, in the scientific sense, not mathematical sense, that there is no personal bias.

It is possible to provide reasonable evidence that a negative doesn’t exist.

How rich is this, lol?

You're asking indignantly how you're to be expected to prove personal bias (as if that's unreasonable), yet you're the one accussing refs of having agenda/bias.

#comedy

 

[DogFace]

How rich is this, lol?

You're asking indignantly how you're to be expected to prove personal bias (as if that's unreasonable), yet you're the one accussing refs of having agenda/bias.

#comedy

Ok. Explain to me how I can prove a what a refs personal feelings are.

 

[DogFace]

When someone attempts to carry a debate from the forums into someone else's personal messages, something is wrong with them. Seriously. No discussion on this board warrants that. You couldn't take being ignored and I did so because you weren't offering anything of substance. You were simply parroting your ringleader so I dealt directly with the ringleader and ignored the noise which is the best way to deal with a topic fueled by emotional people who don't actually know the NFL rules.



Unanswered questions posed to the catch theorists tells people all they need to know about those debates if they're actually looking for the truth. And again, harboring animosity towards someone you debated who had all but forgotten about those debates speaks volumes about who "won." Sometimes when a dog barks, it's because he's wounded. You and another catch theorist fit this bill. Are those the actions of "winners" or people bitter about being schooled? Like I mentioned, I mostly ignored y'all but y'all went into rabid mode every time I pinned your leader which means you follow the framework of how conspiracy theories work that I outlined in my last post. After y'all hitched your wagons to a viewpoint, y'all didn't want to admit you back a losing side so much that you have to make everything else at fault or just really, really, really convince yourself you didn't actually lose. You people follow to form so closely it's like Psych 101 in this thread.

You’re truly delusional. Or you’re lying. Again.
You don’t really believe that’s what happened. You made that dumb statement about your unanswered question over and over and all your questions were answered.

You’re now bitter and that’s understandable.

 

[MarcusRock]

How rich is this, lol?

You're asking indignantly how you're to be expected to prove personal bias (as if that's unreasonable), yet you're the one accussing refs of having agenda/bias.

#comedy

Ain't it though? You called it. "I have a conspiracy theory. You disagree but go ahead and prove it for me." Lol.