PFT: Gregory was not lined up in the neutral zone

[Rayman70]

The rules clearly state something to the affect of the helmet or part of the body across the ball is an infraction...HE WAS NOT IN THAT ZONE.

 

[gimmesix]

See my post above this. Even if the Center moves the ball that's marked by the official?

How is the defense supposed to judge that he moved the ball? The defenders go by the placement of the ball in knowing where to line up. If the center wants to move it a full yard back from the line of scrimmage, is the defense supposed to line up a yard away?

 

[Sydla]

Kamara ducked down when Smith was already leaning in for the hit, that one was on him.

That's not really true. Smith launched himself with his head down and crown of the helmet leading.

That's a clear penalty there.

 

[Kolemmitt]

We got away with no more than the Saints did. Hence, why it's perfectly fine to complain, for both teams, to demand better officiating.

You can't miss obvious calls like a helmet to helmet on Kamara or a facemask on Dak or this offsides.

Yep. Missing big ones, but then Ticky tac on others. Shouldn't be a crapshoot.

 

[Rayman70]

Well that's not convenient at all. LOL.

sorry ? lol...GUESS you see things much different than most here. Look at the rules as written. Maybe the refs should have flagged Jaylon, but they must have seen what I did...and we cant change it..its done.

 

[MarcusRock]

No his head is not over the 50.Its close ...

Did you want to re-write that statement?

 

[Sydla]

Hmmm. People must not have seen the photo and are just sticking to their original points. Let me post it again.

He's on the fifty and the ball is well inside the 50. So unless the center moved the ball back prior to the snap, he's not in the neutral zone.

 

[Kauboy]

First of all the Lt is in an illegal formation. That is likely why Grgory was lined up near the Nz. Also the center almost always moves the ball up a few inches while getting set. And that is literally never called, for non Cowboys. So we would need to see the actual game footage to know the true line of scrimmage. Either way this is rarely called (once again for non Cowboys), and there is a reason for that. Huuuuge error by the officials, that could have easily changed not just the outcome of the game, but possibly the whole season for the Cowboys.

 

[Rayman70]

That's not really true. Smith launched himself with his head down and crown of the helmet leading.

That's a clear penalty there.

not really

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The officiating was bad for both teams.

Beastly should not have had that first down.

Troy and Buck was talking about J Smith with the helmet to helmet but failed to mention he did the same thing earlier in the game as well.

I think this was challengable but Peyton didn't have any left.

 

[Sydla]

The officiating was bad for both teams.

Beastly should not have had that first down.

Troy and Buck was talking about J Smith with the helmet to helmet but failed to mention he did the same thing earlier in the game as well.

He has a tendency to lead with his helmet. I've noticed this before.

 

[Rayman70]

He's on the fifty and the ball is well inside the 50. So unless the center moved the ball back prior to the snap, he's not in the neutral zone.

amen...the facts

 

[StylisticS]

First of all the Lt is in an illegal formation. That is likely why Grgory was lined up near the Nz. Also the center almost always moves the ball up a few inches while getting set. And that is literally never called, for non Cowboys. So we would need to see the actual game footage to know the true line of scrimmage. Either way this is rarely called (once again for non Cowboys), and there is a reason for that. Huuuuge error by the officials, that could have easily changed not just the outcome of the game, but possibly the whole season for the Cowboys.

I was wondering if people were going to bring up the LT. Look how far back he was on the LOS. His head is clear of the centers entire body. That is a clear penalty and it was missed.

 

[Sydla]

not really

How is it not a penalty? It clearly violates the rules. Kamara barely ducked.

The best part is if someone did that to Elliott, you guys would raising holy hell at a missed call.

 

[Future]

The officiating was bad for both teams.

Beastly should not have had that first down.

Troy and Buck was talking about J Smith with the helmet to helmet but failed to mention he did the same thing earlier in the game as well.

For sure. But that Gregory call was by far the most detrimental. Overturning a turnover on such a meh call (at best) is really painful, and the hold that they called on Collins or Looney that stopped the drive in the first half was also a really bad one.

I still think the Saints got the better of the officiating, even if they did get jobbed on a couple of calls.

 

[Rayman70]

How is it not a penalty? It clearly violates the rules. Kamara barely ducked.

The best part is if someone did that to Elliott, you guys would raising holy hell at a missed call.

its in the eye of the beholder

 

[MarcusRock]

He's on the fifty and the ball is well inside the 50. So unless the center moved the ball back prior to the snap, he's not in the neutral zone.

If this blue line is accurate, is he in the neutral zone? Look at the ball in relation to the line.

 

[Sydla]

See my post above this. Even if the Center moves the ball that's marked by the official?

But do you know the center moved the ball back substantially?

 

[gimmesix]

Doesn't matter if it's across the ball. If the Center moved the ball back you still can't advance forward into what was the marked neutral zone. Even if the blue line is accurate, Gregory's head is in that blue zone too. Again, he's the ONLY one over the 50 on defense at all. Isn't that right?

Where the ball is before it is snapped is where the neutral zone is. That is one reason a neutral zone infraction should be an easy call. The official is looking down the line where the ball is and should be able to tell if any part of a defender is across it.

That's why I don't completely dismiss that this was an accurate (albeit ticky-tack) call. If the angle we're seeing is skewed any, it can make the player not appear to be across the ball. However, the 50-yard line does give us an accurate measure to use because you can tell that the ball isn't at the 50 and Gregory's hand is. The only questionable part for me is his helmet. Is there an angle that shows it across the ball?

 

[glimmerman]

What gets me is it erased one hell of defensive play......

Randy Gregory wasn’t lined up in the neutral zone
Posted by Mike Florio on November 30, 2018, 12:27 PM EST

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/30/randy-gregory-wasnt-lined-up-in-the-neutral-zone/

One of the more bizarre officiating errors in a night marked with several of them came when the folks in black and white wiped out a Drew Brees fumble, recovered by the Cowboys.

Referee Walt Anderson announced that Cowboys defensive end Randy Gregory had lined up in the neutral zone. But one small problem existed with this conclusion: Gregory wasn’t lined up in the neutral zone

I saw the line before the snap and his hand was on the line. He wasn’t lined up in it. The refs missed so many calls last night, I was surprised that they threw the flag on Cooper in the end zone.

Missed a obvious face mask on Dak.

Missed the helmet to helmet call.

Again they were holding our D-Line all night and no calls. But this is becoming the norm.