Amari Cooper - All time Cowboys MVP?

[zerofill]

You just said:

Ok so let's stop the confusion. Do you think its fair to bring up what Romo did in a 10+ year career to what Dak did in a 3 year career? When it comes to stats that include "totals"?

Then you said:

My intention was Dak is a better 4th quarter performer than Romo.

How do those two statements go hand in hand? There are no totals to go by, so there is no comparison on that. Dak hasn't been in enough 4th quarters. Basically is what you are saying,but calling him a better performer in the 4th?

 

[Ozone22]

Then name another player who resurrected a spiraling Cowboy team in the fashion Cooper has since the trade?

Okay, Copper has been a great pickup. But there is no way on earth, IMO, what he has done in 6 games. Makes him the ALL-TIME MVP for the Cowboys.

Did you forget about the season when a Rookie QB had to step up? After the starting QB went down with injury and everybody wrote the Cowboys off that season. Should that not be included in the discussion of All-Time MVP Cowboys?

I would agree if the title was. Cowboys All-Time midseason trade. Because IMO, it still not a better trade than the Herschel Walker trade.

 

[Diehardblues]

For the life of.me..i literally can't remember a single person ptedicting a collapse or saying we wouldn't win another game the rest of the year.

What a bunch of baloney.

Surely you jest

 

[Runwildboys]

I copied the segments that did refer to the criteria.

“... I don’t know a player in Cowboys history who almost single handidly saved a season propelling them from an almost certain collapse into divisional champ and potential Super Bowl contender.”

“...this situation with Cooper is unlike any I can recall in Cowboys history.”

You did say those things, but at no point did you state or even imply that those were criteria to determine who should be considered the Cowboys' All Time MVP. You only made it clear that those were factors in your personal determination. Those factors however, cannot be set aside as the only, or even most important characteristics by which to judge such a thing.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Surely you jest

Surely YOU jest. Lol

Who again was running around saying we wouldn't win another game 7 games into the year?

 

[Runwildboys]

My intention was Dak is a better 4th quarter performer than Romo.




I'm just using the eye-ball test. Romo had a few games where for whatever reason the football would end up in the hands of the other team.

Thank you for the honest reply. Many would back peddle and claim they meant something else. lol

 

[Diehardblues]

Okay, Copper has been a great pickup. But there is no way on earth, IMO, what he has done in 6 games. Makes him the ALL-TIME MVP for the Cowboys.

Did you forget about the season when a Rookie QB had to step up? After the starting QB went down with injury and everybody wrote the Cowboys off that season. Should that not be included in the discussion of All-Time MVP Cowboys?

I would agree if the title was. Cowboys All-Time midseason trade. Because IMO, it still not a better trade than the Herschel Walker trade.

But the Hershel grade didn’t have the immediate impact resurrecting that season. Of course it was a better overall trade.

And in 2016 the team Dak led was predicted to pick up from where Romo had left off in 2014. Yes, we didn’t expect finally had a backup QB who could win but it wasn’t a spiraling down team on the verge of collapsing.

 

[Runwildboys]

I copied the segments that did refer to the criteria.

“... I don’t know a player in Cowboys history who almost single handidly saved a season propelling them from an almost certain collapse into divisional champ and potential Super Bowl contender.”

“...this situation with Cooper is unlike any I can recall in Cowboys history.”

That's not "criteria" for reaching a conclusion. Those are simply the things you chose to base your opinion on.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thank you for the honest reply. Many would back peddle and claim they meant something else. lol

Not at all. I'm actually a Romo fan. I'm a homer. I root for everyone who wears that star and I'll defend them to the death if I feel like they are worth defending. My stance on Romo....I've always been a defender of his. But there's this crowd who attacks Dak because he essentially took Romo's spot......so in defending Dak I'm branded a Romo hater. I've took a step back and realized no matter how much I loved Romo here.......no matter how much I feel he was wrongfully accused of losses at times...he was not nearly as great as some make him out to be.

 

[Diehardblues]

Surely YOU jest. Lol

Who again was running around saying we wouldn't win another game 7 games into the year?

I’d say the bulk of this forum thought this team was collapsing heading to Philly at 3-5. Didn’t give us much chance at all and we’re saying we might win 5 or 6 games .

Do you have any post from that timeframe at 3-5 that stated you still saw a division title and SB contender?

 

[Runwildboys]

I implied Dak is better in the clutch than Romo. How good or bad Romo was in the 4th quarter of games....I'll let you guys debate that. But Dak right now is much better in that regard than Romo is. And if the only stat you guys have is he's 19th all time behind Vinny Testerverde? That's not enough of a rebuttal.

Again, I didn't compare the 2 QBs. That can't be done until Dak's had enough time in the league to draw a fair, time tested comparison.

 

[DIAF]

All time MVP? What is this thread.

 

[Runwildboys]

Not at all. I'm actually a Romo fan. I'm a homer. I root for everyone who wears that star and I'll defend them to the death if I feel like they are worth defending. My stance on Romo....I've always been a defender of his. But there's this crowd who attacks Dak because he essentially took Romo's spot......so in defending Dak I'm branded a Romo hater. I've took a step back and realized no matter how much I loved Romo here.......no matter how much I feel he was wrongfully accused of losses at times...he was not nearly as great as some make him out to be.

I'll agree with that. I also think he was much better than many others claim.

 

[Runwildboys]

All time MVP? What is this thread.

Should've been my first question: "What are the parameters and criteria?"

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again, I didn't compare the 2 QBs. That can't be done until Dak's had enough time in the league to draw a fair, time tested comparison.

I compared them. Well...I didn't really compare them flat out.....I said we now have someone who can win games for us in the 4th quarter of games. Which yes, I was eluding to Dak being better than Romo in that guard. I do feel that way. Part of it is I believe Dak is a better on field leader than Romo, he's more durable.....and for whatever reason....Dak seems to step his level of play up in the 4th. Time and time again. The first few times I chalked it off as a fluke. I can't deny what I've seen to this point now though.

 

[Ozone22]

But the Hershel grade didn’t have the immediate impact resurrecting that season. Of course it was a better overall trade.

And in 2016 the team Dak led was predicted to pick up from where Romo had left off in 2014. Yes, we didn’t expect finally had a backup QB who could win but it wasn’t a spiraling down team on the verge of collapsing.

Yeah with a starting QB, not a 4th round draft pick that never played a regular season game. C'mon, I don't think any of us predicted that outcome.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'll agree with that. I also think he was much better than many others claim.

I'm sure he's somewhere in-between. Romo's downfall is his lack of post season appearances. I wouldn't even say his lack of post season success because he wasn't there enough. He should've been there far more than what he was....in part was because of his injury plagued seasons. He should've went again in 2015 and 2016.

 

[G2]

Not at all. I'm actually a Romo fan. I'm a homer. I root for everyone who wears that star and I'll defend them to the death if I feel like they are worth defending. My stance on Romo....I've always been a defender of his. But there's this crowd who attacks Dak because he essentially took Romo's spot......so in defending Dak I'm branded a Romo hater. I've took a step back and realized no matter how much I loved Romo here.......no matter how much I feel he was wrongfully accused of losses at times...he was not nearly as great as some make him out to be.

Same thing happened to me and a few others. We defended Romo for years. Now, the Prescott criticisms you post get ignored and the only thing pointed out are positives you post in the eyes of those hyper Prescott critical.

 

[Diehardblues]

All time MVP? What is this thread.

The title was used to bring in readers. A ploy I learned from Erod. Lol

But basically a thread to tout what a great move bringing Amari in was . And how he’s saved the season. I seriously can’t think of another situation like this in Cowboys history. Which makes him a unique MVP in Cowboys history.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Same thing happened to me and a few others. We defended Romo for years. Now, the Prescott criticisms you post get ignored and the only thing pointed out are positives you post in the eyes of those hyper Prescott critical.

Which is crazy because those same people weren't nearly as critical of Romo in his first 3 years....and he actually sat early in his career.