Dak or Cousins-who’d you rather have at QB?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

3 winning seasons and when he plays well we typically win. 2nd most come back victories in the 4th since he was drafted. 2nd most wins since he was drafted. Sounds pretty valuable. However, I said Dak would be the MVP of the NFL one day....not just our team.

wins are attributed to the team in many ways. in order to be MVP you have to put up some crazy stats and first be the MVP of your own team. Dak can't put up stats. relies heavily on his teammates to carry him. Zeke is the offensive MVP of this team, followed by Cooper. I would say Smith is ahead of him, since when smith got injured, Dak collapsed....Dak is probably the 4th MVP on this offense. Dak is a bus driver. he is what he is. nothing wrong with that. you Dak lovers get so feisty if anyone doesn't just drool over him and call him average. you equate average with bad, which is far from it. surround him with strong cast and Dak can drive the bus, lead to wins as he has. ravens won a superbowl with that. Giants won asuperbowl with an average ELi who caught fire for 4 games (twice). .... but league MVP...after 3 years of average. he is what he is.....he might slightly get better, but not enough to be in league MVP conversation. I was upset in 2016 they didn't give the offensive rookie of the year to Zeke who was the heart and soul of the team and still is. but QBs tend to get the media attention.

 

[Redline360]

Depends on the money situation. Cousins I feel is highly underrated by most and in my opinion a top 10 quarterback. I mean look at cousins stats through the last 4 years or so. The guy put up great numbers in Washington even when the team / coaches didn't want him around. He has great numbers this year in Minnesota and carried the offense for the majority of the season as they have had literally no rushing game all year until the last two weeks

We have seen that Cousins can carry the offense when lacking a running game
Dak can not carry an offense like cousins and relies on Zeke to turn the offense

However the only thing Dak seems to have over cousins is team leadership. let's see how Cousins does this weekend

 

[erod]

Is this really a question?

 

[ItzKelz]

after three years he is what he is. an average QB. never will win the MVP...unless sky falls..

I wonder if that is how the conversation went about Drew Brees after 3 years in San Diego?

 

[BoysForLife]

I do recall one loss to the Packers, was because Garrett decided to go pass heavy in the 2nd half when we were up 26-3 and dominating the game. And Murray had a huge 1st half. And the Packers D couldn't stop him. But, for some reason Garrett wanted to pass in the 2nd half. Should have given it to Murray and ran the ball more than pass it in the 2nd half. And run until the Packers Defense proved that they could stop the run on a consistent basis.

Shows that sometimes a great run game is the better option to try to win a game, over going pass heavy. Even if the QB is good.

Agreed. And even though I am a huge Romo backer, I'm laying some of that particular game at his feet. Every QB has bad days and to me, that wasn't one of his best days

The 2nd half started bad--GB scored 2 Quick TD on their first 2 drives of the 2nd half and we sandwiched a FG between it, but were still up 29-17 at that point. But for some reason, our team panicked. That part, I put on the coaching. JG at that point should have gathered the troops, settled them down and got everyone to take a breath and relax and go back to what was working in the first half.

Also we needed to make some defensive adjustments because GB has obviously adjusted what they were doing. Some might not be aware that (other than kneeling to kill the clock at the end) GB scored TD on every one of their drives in the 2nd half? 5 possessions, 5 TD in the 2nd half. 3 of those TD drives were 80 yards. That ain't good. The defense shoulders more than their share of blame on that one.

But also so does the coaching and so does the QB. A lot of people called that a Romo special and laid that one solely at his feet. And he certainly shoulders some of the blame on that one. He had a 4th quarter INT to shields that was a bad throw. No question.

But the coaches panicked. And the defense had a total meltdown in teh 2nd half. All we needed was 1 stop in the 2nd half and we still win that game. But GB (led by Matt Flynn) scored a TD on every single 2nd half possession. Every one.

That loss still bothers me, 5 years later. Plenty of blame to go around but at the end of the day, all were responsible and it was an inexcusable loss.

 

[erod]

I wonder if that is how the conversation went about Drew Brees after 3 years in San Diego?

Brees was terrific in San Diego.

 

[ItzKelz]

Brees was terrific in San Diego.

So great that they drafted his replacement with him on the team. Around 58% completion percentage his first 3 seasons.

 

[Jake]

Brees was terrific in San Diego.

Brees in SD: 80 TDs, 53 INTs, 62% completions, 6.8 yards per attempt (5 years) = "terrific"

Dak: 63 TDs, 25 INTs, 66% completions, 7.3 yards per attempt (3 years) = "sucks"

 

[Sydla]

Is neither an option?

 

[blueblood70]

cousins is Romo 2.0 (i luv romo, Dak will never be that smooth of a passer and thrower in this type of offense..)and id love passer like that but in the end its a hard sell for either guy so we stay in reality..daks our guy for at least another season or 3..get over it let it sink in...stop dreaming to have guy Daks never lost two and we destroyed when he was in our division..ive always liked cousins in college and drafted as their backup and thought hes good fit for Garetts offense and daks maybe not so much..what can be more of a reality is talking about a new OC and QB mentor/Coach..tis is what Dak needs..

 

[blueblood70]

Just curious. I know Kirk got way too much guaranteed money w/ the Vikes but if he wasn’t locked up would you take him over Dak?

 

[Sydla]

So great that they drafted his replacement with him on the team. Around 58% completion percentage his first 3 seasons.

And yet after they drafted Rivers, they tagged Brees for the 2005 season and then after the 2005 season, the Chargers offered Brees a 5 year, $50MM incentive based contract. The notion that they couldn't wait to dump him doesn't match up with reality.

 

[Sydla]

Just curious. I know Kirk got way too much guaranteed money w/ the Vikes but if he wasn’t locked up would you take him over Dak?

At Dak's salary? Possibly.

At his current salary? Hell no.

The correct answer is probably that we should want neither.

 

[Sandyf]

Just curious. I know Kirk got way too much guaranteed money w/ the Vikes but if he wasn’t locked up would you take him over Dak?

Nope, Nada, No Way, not even a question.

 

[ItzKelz]

And yet after they drafted Rivers, they tagged Brees for the 2005 season and then after the 2005 season, the Chargers offered Brees a 5 year, $50MM incentive based contract. The notion that they couldn't wait to dump him doesn't match up with reality.

58% completion rate first 3 seasons and they drafted Rivers. You're right they wanted Drew Brees as their Franchise QB.

 

[Sydla]

58% completion rate first 3 seasons and they drafted Rivers. You're right they wanted Drew Brees as their Franchise QB.

You can try to spin this anyway you want but the facts are they tagged him in 2005 (after they drafted Rivers in 2004) and then they offered him a 5 year, $50MM contract after the 2005 season.

What does that tell you? Maybe it tells you the Chargers had no idea what they were doing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I wonder if that is how the conversation went about Drew Brees after 3 years in San Diego?

drew brees was a good QB in SD. he got a shoulder injury which worried teams that he may never be the same again....you badly failed....try again....

 

[kskboys]

58% completion rate first 3 seasons and they drafted Rivers. You're right they wanted Drew Brees as their Franchise QB.

Brees was known as a flop until his last season in SD. It was at that point that they already had Rivers and let him go in a very tough choice.

Rivers has been a stud, and they made the correct decision.

 

[Sydla]

Brees was known as a flop until his last season in SD. It was at that point that they already had Rivers and let him go in a very tough choice.

Rivers has been a stud, and they made the correct decision.

They actually didn't "let him go" exactly. They offered him a 5 year, $50MM incentive laden contract partly due to his shoulder issues but Brees thought it was an insult contract and demanded elite money. The Chargers wouldn't budge so Brees hit the open market to see if he could find a better deal. Miami had interest but backed off after they also got scared at his shoulder issues. The Saints were desperate for a QB and gave a bit more guaranteed money than the Chargers did and Brees took that deal.

When Brees has come up in this Dak debates, people often seem to think that the Chargers just kicked him to the curb once they got Rivers. History would beg to differ with that take.

 

[cds99]

I'd go after Foles as a back up

Backup hell, sign him and start him. Or at least make the better buy win the starting job. I like Dak but he leaves a lot to be desired.

When I watch Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, etc etc I sure do wish we had that talent.