Win vs. Rams Change the Narrative?

[THEHEREAFTER]

Someone (Idgit?) brought up the topic whether a Super Bowl changes the narrative of Dak and Garrett which I want to revisit in a slightly different way.

For you, would a win this Saturday against the Rams resulting in our first conference championship appearance in 20+ years change the narrative of Dak and/or Garrett?

For me, it would assuming Dak contributes anything more than just Trent Dilfer type performance. It would also change my perspective on Garrett as he would have helped brought this team from the brink of a lost season (3-5) to making a deep playoff run.

 

[Daktozekecoop]

I guess you consider Trent Dilfer a Hall of Famer

If you are watching and paying attention, then you know there is no comparison between Dak and Dilfer. Watch the throw to Beasley to beat the Giants. The TD to Gallup last Saturday, and the 14 yard run. These plays are indicative of Dak's skill level and drive to win. Few, let alone Dilfer, have the intangibles Dak has. He is great and headed towards elite. And imo will be a super bowl winning quarterback in a few weeks time.

 

[OmerV]

Not really. He doesn't get any more out of players than their natural talent allows, and I can't imagine that's going to change. The guy has 0 impact on game day.

His greatest accomplishment, basically, is convincing Jerry to draft OL.

If the team wins that doesn't at least warrant a "wait and see" moving forward? It's a bit unfair to say he is responsible when they lose, but not at least give some consideration to the idea he had something to do with them winning. Either a coach has something to do with winning and losing or he has nothing to do with winning or losing. It isn't logical to claim it only goes one way.

 

[DallasCowboysRule!]

Dak has already partially changed the narrative for me. I’ve been negative on him. I’ve said that he has poor accuracy, especially on downfield throws, and he doesn’t read the field as well as should. I still have those same complaints but what I can say about Dak is that he is a bonafide winner. They guy usually gets it done in the biggest moments of the game. He has that special something that just gives some players that extra edge. If we can iron out his accuracy and vision I’ll be very pleased with him as our quarterback.

 

[aikemirv]

The most credit I think will go to the change on Defense if we put up another strong performance against the Rams like NO. Richard is going to get most of the credit for that I think. I think Garret is a great leader but needs very strong coordinators to be successful. Richard has made that difference for the defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

The most credit I think will go to the change on Defense if we put up another strong performance against the Rams like NO. Richard is going to get most of the credit for that I think. I think Garret is a great leader but needs very strong coordinators to be successful. Richard has made that difference for the defense.

Which playoff teams has bad Coordinators? Hell that is why Jimmy Johnson fired Dave Shula and hired Norv Turner. I don't know of any team where HC are not looking for top coordinators.

 

[Doomsday101]

I do find it interesting for Garrett to win he needs talented players and talented coaches on his staff. So does everyone else. lol Somehow he is not granted the same he is somehow to do it with less?

 

[bodi]

Yes. He is .

lol

 

[Future]

If the team wins that doesn't at least warrant a "wait and see" moving forward? It's a bit unfair to say he is responsible when they lose, but not at least give some consideration to the idea he had something to do with them winning. Either a coach has something to do with winning and losing or he has nothing to do with winning or losing. It isn't logical to claim it only goes one way.

I didn't say he's responsible when they lose. The guy is completely irrelevant.

One playoff run doesn't undo 9 years.

 

[irishline]

I guess you consider Trent Dilfer a Hall of Famer

Marc Bulger won a wild card round playoff game in 2004, he must be elite. Kordell Stewart, Bubby Brister, Richard Todd, Jake Plummer upset us in the 1998 wild card game. The list goes on and on. Who knew these guys were all elite quarterbacks.

As others have said, my fear is that we will regress back out of the playoffs like we did in 2015 and last year. Its a seesaw ride. Not blaming Dak per se, but I want consistency before I say he is elite. That said, I think he Dak can get us there, and winning this weekend would be a good first step.

People will discredit Dak saying playing in LA is like playing a home game.

I don't care if its at home, on the road, in Brazil, underwater, or on the moon. I just want to see the Cowboys get past the Divisional weekend. I credit him for helping us get back to this point, just want to see him get the team PAST this point.

 

[OmerV]

I didn't say he's responsible when they lose. The guy is completely irrelevant.

One playoff run doesn't undo 9 years.

That doesn't make sense. Whether good or bad, he does direct coaches, approve game plans, decide when and how long to practice, participate in the draft process, make decisions during the game such as when to challenge, when to go for 2, to kick a FG or go for it etc, play a part in personnel decisions .... Obviously he has a role that influences how things go. Irrelevant is the water boy or locker room attendant.

Besides, to say he is irrelevant is to put responsibility on him when they lose because if a head coach is irrelevant he is hurting the team.

As for one playoff run undoing 9 years, I never said it did or would, and in fact said that whatever consideration it would get him would be short lived if it turned out to be a 1 year anomaly.

 

[Dbeastmode21]

If we Lose on saturday i want jg and sl to be fired asap

 

[OmerV]

If we Lose on saturday i want jg to be fired asap

Odds are very high you will not get what you want. Linehan may get fired, but getting to the playoffs, and especially winning a round, almost definitely ensured Garrett will be back.

 

[Future]

That doesn't make sense. Whether good or bad, he does direct coaches, approve game plans, decide when and how long to practice, participate in the draft process, make decisions during the game such as when to challenge, when to go for 2, to kick a FG or go for it etc, play a part in personnel decisions .... Obviously he has a role that influences how things go. Irrelevant is the water boy or locker room attendant.

Besides, to say he is irrelevant is to put responsibility on him when they lose because if a head coach is irrelevant he is hurting the team.

As for one playoff run undoing 9 years, I never said it did or would, and in fact said that whatever consideration it would get him would be short lived if it turned out to be a 1 year anomaly.

No, to me, it doesn't give him more of a "wait and see." If they won the Super Bowl, I'd fire him the next day anyways.

 

[LovinItAll]

BTW, MANY on the Rams forum believe we'll get our doors blown off. A buncha:

''We'll shut down Zeke and make Dak throw. Dak sux, so we'll win by 21.’

I HATE the Rams. I hope 90 & 94 inflict bodily harm on everything they touch Saturday night.

 

[Ring Leader]

Flacco got hot down the stretch. He is/was not ever elite, he ceiling was very good. Foles, Kaepernick, Hostetler, Dilfer or host of other "above average" QBs that won or went to a super bowl.

You forgot Peyton's little brother.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

The narrative has already changed. Dak is an elite QBS and Dallas is now a respectable organization in large part because he changed the culture to one where we win not complain about why we didn’t win.

Slow ur Roll son , Dak is not elite. Lets not get ahead of ourselves .

 

[Ring Leader]

A win means Dak automatically jumps Romo on the checker board in only his 3rd year.

Romo sure set that bar high for an 11 year bid!

And Sanchez dwarfs Romo on your horribly ill-conceived board. Sounded good before you thought it through didn't it?

 

[Keithfansince5]

I do not believe Garrett is a good coach. I think Garrett is a good leader. They are not the same. He is able to lead his men but Garrett lacks fundamental awareness of games. He seems to have a one size fits all approach to coaching, which is stupid. When he was criticized for not going for it on 4th down, he mashed the go for it button till it got stuck and now he goes for it on almost every fourth down. Him going for a 58 yard FG tells me he has not learned situational football and never will. He just doesn't get the nuance as to when you try a 58 yard FG and when you don't. To him it is just go for it. One size fits all situation be darned. A win this weekend would not change my perception of Garrett. Watching Garrett every game and seeing him understand situational football and actually coach accordingly would make me change my mind.

As for Dak, he has improved a lot and he is changing my mind a little. He still lacks some situational football awareness stuff also, like knowing when to throw the ball to Cooper and why. Listening to Aikman say why Dak doesn't throw to Amari when he is single covered is right on point. Dak would rather force the ball to Gallup who is a lessor receiver. Troy would be throwing Amari the ball 12-14 times a game not 7. I want to see Dak figure this out this weekend. We are going to need our playmakers to get the ball not just another JAG getting the ball. Feed Cooper Dak.

Also, on a side note, is anyone holding a huge pep rally for Dallas? In the 90's Bill Bates used to hold huge pep rallies before the games to get everyone fired up. I no longer live there so I was wondering if that was happening?

 

[blumayne38]

And Sanchez dwarfs Romo on your horribly ill-conceived board. Sounded good before you thought it through didn't it?

I assume he does a lot of tv shopping and buys things like the "sharpest plastic knife ever"