It’s amazing how far Dak carried Scott Linehan

[lqmac1]

He took a piss poor offensive coordinator who never had a top 10 ranked offense,

Top 5 offense in 2016

Top 3 offense 1st half of 2017

Scott Linehan never held a job longer than 2 years in the NFL until Dak Prescott and Zeke carries him.

Next year will be amazing.

Be cautious around these parts with optimism, young fella. A lot have been around here and haven’t been seen since.

Just for my safety’s sake, Dak Prescott sucks!!!

 

[skinsscalper]

Goff reminds me of Aikman! He makes those accurate throws to Gurley and those WRs. He hits them in stride so they can get plenty of YAC and at times turns into big plays.

You've, obviously, never seen Aikman play. Goff looks nothing like Aikman, in any form.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Do we have to agree?



What does that have to do with him being good or bad? Is there an objective measure for a QB coach?



Did you mean, "how Moore does that."? Why can't he teach? He's supposed to be pretty football smart. He'd have to be to have the success he had in college as a pocket passer with that arm. Those who can't do...



Four intangibles and his ability to run. This kind of praise from those who love him doesn't exactly reassure the skeptics. End of the day a QB has to develop in the pocket. Hopefully he does since it appears he's the guy going forward.



Game is won in the trenches.



Hopefully Fred comes back without missing a step and Connor hits up DLaw or Irving's guy without the subsequent 4 game suspension. I'd rather they focus on the interior defensive line which means they'll likely draft a TE and a web back with their first two picks.



I recall Broaddus saying that Linehan was having a rebirth as a play caller because Dak wasn't audibling his rookie season. He brought it up quite a bit that season and contrasted with Romo liking to change plays.



No. I said I don't see it as deficient and asked you to expound on your desire for more creativity.



Just like Emmitt.



Opponents seemed to really focus in on Zeke near the goal line, which contributed to Dak's rushing TD success. Most teams don't have a QB taking rushing TDs away from the RB. If you look at them together as a single rushing unit, the scheme seems less of an issue and arguably more creative than you're crediting. The line getting healthier should improve that unit. But playing with Dak may hinder Zeke's individual TD numbers.

Not really sure what you want me to do here. Your answers are kinda just smirky little contradictions that don't really have a point.

Its pretty clear your just bent on arguing whatever point I bring up just to do it.

Case and point....…..Moore. The kid was a backup in the NFL for a few years, was never that good. Has no experience in coaching. Now that is all we have to go on, as you pointed out, how can we know if he is good or not. So based on those parameters I would like someone with much more experience guiding our young franchise QB. And how the hell do these coaches know he can coach before they hired him? Seems like a ho hum, lets let him grow, he may have potential type hire. Seems short sighted to me. Another friends of the family hire.

Yet you cant tell me anything you like about him so your just taking the opposite stance to argue. Im really not interested in that.

And as far as Dak you asked me "what do you like best", so I told you. Then you turned around and pretended those were the ONLY things I liked.

You appear to NOT think coaching is important. If that is the case, then we are in complete disagreement. We see the Cowboys get out coached a lot.

Dak was NOT a pocket passer in college. He was a kid that if something clear wasn't available in the passing game, he could just take off and run and do whatever he wanted. So it should be no surprise what so ever that he needs to work on that now that he is in the NFL. But some fans are just uneducated and they don't understand that. I would actually say that his pocket game has improved. He was even having good success later in the year even when there was pressure.

 

[ConstantReboot]

As I said in his rookie season, eventually teams will take away what he does best. That backside defender who crashed inside on the play action is staying home more often now. He has to get better from the pocket if they want to take the next step. Linehan had multiple successful seasons in the NFL with multiple QBs, including Dak.

But... once again, just look at all the great QBs who only had to run more often to be successful. There's some I'm sure... just can't think of any at the moment. If Dak wants to take the next step, he has to improve his passing.

Or in his rookie season, they took what he did well in college and implemented it into the offense. Which they did. Then they forced a bad scheme onto Dak, which made him regressed.

The part where you said Linehan has multiple successful seasons are total BS. Please stop lying if you can't prove it. Linehan had success because of talent. He was never a good playcaller everywhere he went. In fact, he never lasted more than 2 years on a single team except for Dallas.

 

[Haimerej]

Not really sure what you want me to do here. Your answers are kinda just smirky little contradictions that don't really have a point.

Do as you please. I wouldn't say my responses are simply contradictions. There are some questions and each counterpoint is based in fact and/or my own opinions.

Its pretty clear your just bent on arguing whatever point I bring up just to do it.

You think I'm being disingenuous? I'm not. Just bored on a Sunday.

Case and point....…..Moore. The kid was a backup in the NFL for a few years, was never that good. Has no experience in coaching. Now that is all we have to go on, as you pointed out, how can we know if he is good or not. So based on those parameters I would like someone with much more experience guiding our young franchise QB. And how the hell do these coaches know he can coach before they hired him? Seems like a ho hum, lets let him grow, he may have potential type hire. Seems short sighted to me. Another friends of the family hire.

I said earlier I'm not sure how you evaluate him. You've basically said he's a rookie coach so you don't like him. You proclaimed him the worst QB coach in the league. I was merely digging for a reason behind that assertion. It appears you were being hyperbolic because you can't seem to point to an actual practical deficiency. Being a new coach doesn't mean he's a bad coach. Not being a good player also doesn't preclude being a good coach, hence my reference to the saying, "Those who can't do, teach." Sorry if you thought it meant I was defending him. Just trying to figure out why you dislike him so.

Yet you cant tell me anything you like about him so your just taking the opposite stance to argue. Im really not interested in that.

Not sure I was arguing against what you said, just asking you why you said it. Now that you gave reasons, I'm telling you why I think they're unconvincing.

And as far as Dak you asked me "what do you like best", so I told you. Then you turned around and pretended those were the ONLY things I liked.

I thought I simply responded to what you listed. If there's more you like, by all means, share it.

You appear to NOT think coaching is important. If that is the case, then we are in complete disagreement. We see the Cowboys get out coached a lot.

Coaching matters. Talent matters more. I just don't understand why you think Garrett and co. are so bad. Dak wasn't a top prospect and was essentially a 5th round pick. He's had an historic start to his career yet you seem to think it's all in spite of the coaching. I would argue the coaches have done an excellent job with a QB who is limited by NFL standards.

Dak was NOT a pocket passer in college. He was a kid that if something clear wasn't available in the passing game, he could just take off and run and do whatever he wanted. So it should be no surprise what so ever that he needs to work on that now that he is in the NFL. But some fans are just uneducated and they don't understand that. I would actually say that his pocket game has improved. He was even having good success later in the year even when there was pressure.

I agree, he has definitely improved. I hope it continues. I'm not surprised he needs to work on those things so not sure what that referenced. I've always preferred a pocket QB, myself. Not sure we'll ever see a QB who needs to run play at a championship level.

But as I said above, coaching has helped him to be this successful. If the coaching critiques were true, he must truly be one of the all time greats to have such an efficient and successful start in spite of such awful coaches. I doubt anyone is bold enough to go that far with their evaluation of his play.

Staubach relayed a story about how Landry hated his scrambling. Basically said it meant he wasn't seeing the field and getting the ball to the appropriate read on time. Landry knew most pass plays have concepts within them to beat different types of coverages if the QB makes the right read of the defense. It's why the all time greats are generally pocket passers who make the right reads. No need to leave the pocket if you're on your game. Dak could get there if he continues to improve, but I think it's foolish to encourage him to scramble/run moreso than develop his game inside the pocket.

Btw- I prefer conversation to simply argument. I talk to people with opposing views because it usually creates a back and forth and we can bounce our opinions off each other. It's not about winning a debate, just getting a look at the other side of the issue. If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to reply. I'm basically a critic of critics.

 

[Haimerej]

Or in his rookie season, they took what he did well in college and implemented it into the offense. Which they did. Then they forced a bad scheme onto Dak, which made him regressed.

Dak never regressed. In fact, he's been getting better at the position. The things he struggled with these last two seasons he struggled with as a rookie and in college. But he is getting better in the pocket.

The part where you said Linehan has multiple successful seasons are total BS. Please stop lying if you can't prove it. Linehan had success because of talent. He was never a good playcaller everywhere he went. In fact, he never lasted more than 2 years on a single team except for Dallas.

You say he didn't have success but then said his success was due to talent. So... he did have some success. I'd also like an example of a coach who was successful without talented players.

He had a top 10 offense every year in MIN, once in StL, top 5 offense twice in DET and twice in DAL (including Romo's best season of his career). Also, might want to check that 2 year assertion if you're going to call me a liar. He spent 3 years in MIN, 3 in StL and 4 in DET.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Do as you please. I wouldn't say my responses are simply contradictions. There are some questions and each counterpoint is based in fact and/or my own opinions.



You think I'm being disingenuous? I'm not. Just bored on a Sunday.



I said earlier I'm not sure how you evaluate him. You've basically said he's a rookie coach so you don't like him. You proclaimed him the worst QB coach in the league. I was merely digging for a reason behind that assertion. It appears you were being hyperbolic because you can't seem to point to an actual practical deficiency. Being a new coach doesn't mean he's a bad coach. Not being a good player also doesn't preclude being a good coach, hence my reference to the saying, "Those who can't do, teach." Sorry if you thought it meant I was defending him. Just trying to figure out why you dislike him so.



Not sure I was arguing against what you said, just asking you why you said it. Now that you gave reasons, I'm telling you why I think they're unconvincing.



I thought I simply responded to what you listed. If there's more you like, by all means, share it.



Coaching matters. Talent matters more. I just don't understand why you think Garrett and co. are so bad. Dak wasn't a top prospect and was essentially a 5th round pick. He's had an historic start to his career yet you seem to think it's all in spite of the coaching. I would argue the coaches have done an excellent job with a QB who is limited by NFL standards.



I agree, he has definitely improved. I hope it continues. I'm not surprised he needs to work on those things so not sure what that referenced. I've always preferred a pocket QB, myself. Not sure we'll ever see a QB who needs to run play at a championship level.

But as I said above, coaching has helped him to be this successful. If the coaching critiques were true, he must truly be one of the all time greats to have such an efficient and successful start in spite of such awful coaches. I doubt anyone is bold enough to go that far with their evaluation of his play.

Staubach relayed a story about how Landry hated his scrambling. Basically said it meant he wasn't seeing the field and getting the ball to the appropriate read on time. Landry knew most pass plays have concepts within them to beat different types of coverages if the QB makes the right read of the defense. It's why the all time greats are generally pocket passers who make the right reads. No need to leave the pocket if you're on your game. Dak could get there if he continues to improve, but I think it's foolish to encourage him to scramble/run moreso than develop his game inside the pocket.

Btw- I prefer conversation to simply argument. I talk to people with opposing views because it usually creates a back and forth and we can bounce our opinions off each other. It's not about winning a debate, just getting a look at the other side of the issue. If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to reply. I'm basically a critic of critics.

I'm basically a critic of critics.

Yet you seem a big critic of our young QB. And for whatever reason, our coaches don't much criticism at all from you. No consistency.

 

[Haimerej]

I'm basically a critic of critics.

Yet you seem a big critic of our young QB. And for whatever reason, our coaches don't much criticism at all from you. No consistency.

Are my criticisms off base? Not sure what you mean by consistency, either. How does being critical of criticisms and Dak mean I must also critique the coaches?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Are my criticisms off base? Not sure what you mean by consistency, either. How does being critical of criticisms and Dak mean I must also critique the coaches?

You claim you are critical, but the coaches get a pass. You critique a young QB in only his 3rd year, but a HC with 14 years of mediocrity with Dallas you seem to have no problem with.

 

[Haimerej]

You claim you are critical, but the coaches get a pass. You critique a young QB in only his 3rd year, but a HC with 14 years of mediocrity with Dallas you seem to have no problem with.

I claim I'm critical of critics. When I see execution breakdowns I blame players. Always have.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I claim I'm critical of critics. When I see execution breakdowns I blame players. Always have.

You mean you blame Dak.

So when Chaz Green single handily gave us no shot against the Falcons two years ago you blame Chaz Green?

 

[Diehardblues]

Im not sure anyone will survive Dak as Jerry’s intent on proving he was right.

 

[Haimerej]

You mean you blame Dak.

Pretty sure I said, "players." Look again.

So when Chaz Green single handily gave us no shot against the Falcons two years ago you blame Chaz Green?

He definitely played poorly that game. Why would you assume I wouldn't criticize him?

 

[Diehardblues]

You mean you blame Dak.

So when Chaz Green single handily gave us no shot against the Falcons two years ago you blame Chaz Green?

Yes I would blame Chaz, and it’s another example of how much elite talent Dak needs around him.

That was the beginning for me seeing Dak wasn’t going to be enough to carry this offense without Elliot and an elite OL.

Our Redzone offense suffered immensely this year without Witten and Dez. Look how Cooper uplifted us.

Imagine if we had a QB with the talent level of Zeke or Coop. Or imagine Dak with a RB and WR with Daks talent level.

 

[blumayne38]

He took a piss poor offensive coordinator who never had a top 10 ranked offense,

Top 5 offense in 2016

Top 3 offense 1st half of 2017

Scott Linehan never held a job longer than 2 years in the NFL until Dak Prescott and Zeke carries him.

Next year will be amazing.

It’s not April fools yet

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm basically a critic of critics.

Yet you seem a big critic of our young QB. And for whatever reason, our coaches don't much criticism at all from you. No consistency.

The Cowboys have been talent dependent in Jerry’s puppet era.

Obviously great coaching isn’t an option unless we need a new stadium built or we’re losing money.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pretty sure I said, "players." Look again.



He definitely played poorly that game. Why would you assume I wouldn't criticize him?

Because the Chaz Green example is a text book example of how it was 100% coaching that was the problem. Chaz Green is and was terrible. Any fool could see that.

-Chaz Green should have NEVER been on the team. We saw first hand how the Cowboys went out THIS offseason and made sure they had quality backups. And it paid off this year.

-Garretts...………"next man up" stupidity was at the heart of the issue. Thinking that some scrub like Green could just come in whenever and NOT plan for help the possibility of help was a huge mistake.

-The fact that it took Garrett and the staff sooooo long to make the adjustment DURING the game was pathetic. So the coaches failed on all 3 levels

1. Evaluation 2. preparation 3. Adjusting during the game.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes I would blame Chaz, and it’s another example of how much elite talent Dak needs around him.

That was the beginning for me seeing Dak wasn’t going to be enough to carry this offense without Elliot and an elite OL.

Our Redzone offense suffered immensely this year without Witten and Dez. Look how Cooper uplifted us.

Imagine if we had a QB with the talent level of Zeke or Coop. Or imagine Dak with a RB and WR with Daks talent level.

That just shows how much you don't understand the QB position or development.

Please show me your list of QB's that do great with no great players around them.

I think we would both agree that Aaron Rogers is great. He didn't even win 8 games this year. So what happened?

And your analysis of WHY we were all of a sudden bad in the redzone is mostly incorrect. Although I do agree that Dez and Witten being gone were some of the problem...……...the biggest issue with the redzone offense was the state of the Oline.

 

[Diehardblues]

Because the Chaz Green example is a text book example of how it was 100% coaching that was the problem. Chaz Green is and was terrible. Any fool could see that.

-Chaz Green should have NEVER been on the team. We saw first hand how the Cowboys went out THIS offseason and made sure they had quality backups. And it paid off this year.

-Garretts...………"next man up" stupidity was at the heart of the issue. Thinking that some scrub like Green could just come in whenever and NOT plan for help the possibility of help was a huge mistake.

-The fact that it took Garrett and the staff sooooo long to make the adjustment DURING the game was pathetic. So the coaches failed on all 3 levels

1. Evaluation 2. preparation 3. Adjusting during the game.

It was a pathetic performance but I thought Dak could have dumped the ball off faster too even if it was throwing it away.

Dak is still staying in the pocket too long. And I’m not sure we’d seen Chaz in that situation before that we’d know. Not having Zeke we simply didn’t know. And I thought we reacted in off season to correct this year.

It was a combination of factors which you identified to support your narrative but not all of the factors.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Cowboys have been talent dependent in Jerry’s puppet era.

Obviously great coaching isn’t an option unless we need a new stadium built or we’re losing money.

Agreed