Trashin playoff QB's subpar play does Dak no justice

[Roadtrip635]

Over their last seven games—five regular season, two postseason—the Saints, with a supposedly great offense, averaged a measly 19.7 points per game and went 4-3. Last seven games: Saints 138, Foes 137

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-rams-saints-patriots-chiefs-fmia-peter-king/


It's still a team game and requires a great effort from the whole team, not just a QB to win, especially in the post season.

 

[Yobwocs]

Jesus Holy Christ. Another epic thread by Soupcansam.

 

[seamus18]

Point is every QB that was left in the playoffs yesterday is better than Dak hands down. Not to mention despite the loses, non of those QB's disappointed, not even Mahomes who we know had he gotten that ball back in overtime, he more than likely makes history against the GOAT.

And bash Goff all you want, when that guy falls behind and he has to make the more difficult accurate throws, that guy is spot on whether he throws for 100 or 400 yards every time. Is dak that consistant....NO!

Brees and Brady? Enough said!

Alot of our fans are being hypocrites when it comes to Dak and these other QB's having average games.

These guys in the playoffs do what they need to do to get the job done while dak folds under these pressures.

Dak is not on any of their levels nor is he playoff or championship material. Stop being jealous because Goff has lead his team to the big dance while Dak has contributed to sending our team home, giving the fans nothing to look forward to.

Accept the fact that the QBs you guys are bashing are still talented enough to amp it up or turn it down and still win.

We wont sniff a NFC title or SB until we find a better passer we can develope like Goff and Mahomes.

Despite coaching I think any of those guys are talented enough to work with the talent we have just fine.

Just stop.

 

[Hadenough]

Point is every QB that was left in the playoffs yesterday is better than Dak hands down.

You could also argue that all the QBs in the wild card games were better than Dak too. Wilson and Luck are clearly better QBs. Trubisky has a higher ceiling than Dak and can make all the throws. I would take Watson over Dak he has a bigger arm and because of his ability for big plays. Lamar Jackson is the only QB that I wouldnt take over Dak.

 

[Hadenough]

Over their last seven games—five regular season, two postseason—the Saints, with a supposedly great offense, averaged a measly 19.7 points per game and went 4-3. Last seven games: Saints 138, Foes 137

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-rams-saints-patriots-chiefs-fmia-peter-king/


It's still a team game and requires a great effort from the whole team, not just a QB to win, especially in the post season.

I agree that its a team game but when you look at what defenses are doing when they play the Cowboys part of the cause of that is Dak. Part of that is play calling too but defenses are playing percentages. When its 4th and 1 do you think defenses are going to put everyone in the box to stuff the run with Andrew Luck. Thats the gauntlet that Dak is bringing to the table. Dak can get away with this against teams with lesser talent but against teams with equal talent it hurts the team. Its nobodys fault, its just the book on how to play Defense against Dak. This happens a lot more than just 4th and 1 though. The same applies to 3rd and 7 or 8. Teams disregard the mid to deep ball and walk everyone up to cover the short stuff. Sometimes Dak beats it but his percentages are low and defenses are willing to take that chance.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I agree that its a team game but when you look at what defenses are doing when they play the Cowboys part of the cause of that is Dak. Part of that is play calling too but defenses are playing percentages. When its 4th and 1 do you think defenses are going to put everyone in the box to stuff the run with Andrew Luck. Thats the gauntlet that Dak is bringing to the table. Dak can get away with this against teams with lesser talent but against teams with equal talent it hurts the team. Its nobodys fault, its just the book on how to play Defense against Dak. This happens a lot more than just 4th and 1 though. The same applies to 3rd and 7 or 8. Teams disregard the mid to deep ball and walk everyone up to cover the short stuff. Sometimes Dak beats it but his percentages are low and defenses are willing to take that chance.

That's a simplistic answer that's not completely correct. How well did Luck do in the playoffs? It just isn't how to play against Dak, it was how to play against this offense and playcalling. If we go into formations that bring more defensive players into the box, 2/3 TE sets or motion that draws defense into the LOS, then that's what you get, loaded boxes. It's also been about the predictability of this offense and very little scheming to force mismatches or force defenses into making decisions. It was heavily predicated on simply guys beating their man. The OL just hasn't been as good as they once were, they certainly haven't been as good in pass pro, the middle has been vulnerable all year. They don't get that push they once did, even against stacked lines, teams didn't just start stacking boxes this year. Pats ran several times with 9 guys in the box to stop the run, KC wasn't worried about Brady passing there, yet they kept converting and scored TDs. They also used a FB(we supposedly have one, but hard to tell by how little we used him) and their OL won at the point of attack.

The stat I posted was more to point that over the last several games teams were figuring out how to stop and slow them down. It doesn't matter, even with a great QB like Brees, if the defenses have started to figure out how to adjust. Over their last 7 games, NO averaged less than 20 points a game, it takes more than a QB. It's just as much about playcalling, coaching, adjustments as it is the players. You made it all about Dak, when it's about the team and coaching as a whole. People find it easier to heap the blame on one person than accept the fact that many other facets are what determine whether a team loses or wins, especially in the playoffs.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Point is every QB that was left in the playoffs yesterday is better than Dak hands down. Not to mention despite the loses, non of those QB's disappointed, not even Mahomes who we know had he gotten that ball back in overtime, he more than likely makes history against the GOAT.

And bash Goff all you want, when that guy falls behind and he has to make the more difficult accurate throws, that guy is spot on whether he throws for 100 or 400 yards every time. Is dak that consistant....NO!

Brees and Brady? Enough said!

Alot of our fans are being hypocrites when it comes to Dak and these other QB's having average games.

These guys in the playoffs do what they need to do to get the job done while dak folds under these pressures.

Dak is not on any of their levels nor is he playoff or championship material. Stop being jealous because Goff has lead his team to the big dance while Dak has contributed to sending our team home, giving the fans nothing to look forward to.

Accept the fact that the QBs you guys are bashing are still talented enough to amp it up or turn it down and still win.

We wont sniff a NFC title or SB until we find a better passer we can develope like Goff and Mahomes.

Despite coaching I think any of those guys are talented enough to work with the talent we have just fine.

"We won't sniff a NFFC or SB with Dak"
.... we've been within one score twice of the NFFC in Dak's first three season LMAO.

Trashing Dak with bull**** logic does you no justice. Just makes you look even worse.

 

[mahoneybill]

Dak did a pretty good job of directing the Cowboys offense to score late in games this year too. I am not saying he is elite, but he is not as bad as you are making him out to be. Give Dak an offensive line that can protecting for more than 3 seconds and he will make some good throws and clutch plays. One thing I noticed about all of these teams yesterday, when they ran the ball up the middle, they got movement on the defense. When the Cowboys offensive line can do they, Dak will look better and the team will score more points.

Good point re O line. A couple of those holes were very effectively blocked

 

[SoupcanSam]

You could also argue that all the QBs in the wild card games were better than Dak too. Wilson and Luck are clearly better QBs. Trubisky has a higher ceiling than Dak and can make all the throws. I would take Watson over Dak he has a bigger arm and because of his ability for big plays. Lamar Jackson is the only QB that I wouldnt take over Dak.

Yeah Dak is better than Watson. Watson wont last 5 years in the league. The guy is a worse passer than Dak and he Watson does is run run run.

 

[SoupcanSam]

"We won't sniff a NFFC or SB with Dak"
.... we've been within one score twice of the NFFC in Dak's first three season LMAO.

Trashing Dak with bull**** logic does you no justice. Just makes you look even worse.

You already know woulda coulda shoulda's dont count. You would have used the same ammo to shoot me if the shoe was on the other foot, so what are you talking about!

 

[blueblood70]

A silly and flat out stupid thread.

Forget the OPINIONS that Dak is great or terrible, you are asking Fans of a TEAM to turn on one of the players who has done nothing but take a team that was what, 1-14 without the previous QB and produces winning season ever since.

Then to say if we had the "other guys" we would have won, DESPITE THE FACT that our Run Defense was flat out atrocious in the Playoff Loss.

And people who don't believe in Dak consider those that believe in Dak out of touch with reality? Hey pot, say hello to kettle.

bash the QB all you want right? target, we can and will win with Dak, IF the defense plays better..yes this loss was all on the defense, dont give me the we should score 30 in this day and age, the defense failed us..coaching to point failed us, and not getting the run game going while the Rams rolled us with no resistance..they agve up 17 points in the 2nd quarter and Dak battled back as much as he could with little chances given TOP all on Rams..Dak hasn't had bad playoff game, yet..Brady threw 2 INt plus one was called back, narrative would have changed that game and on the convo at least KC atrocious defense got nearly 3 Tos while our got zero, KC remined in the game because of those TOs not because Mahomes played great..what happened to Brees in OT he threw a Pick, should have been a PI IMO but brees choked right? but those defenses at least were fighting against big time offenses and made it game..

how the blame keeps turning on dak is incredible, he may not be Elite but in no way were even one game of his 3 Playoffs on him..Defense blew those games, period ..until we have the Team step up and win a game , we wont go anywhere, not because of Dak because the Defense coaching or ST find ways to lose these games and it reflects back on Romo or Dak..sure go back to the Regular season many bad games by Dak early but like you said of Goff in crunch time Dak did what he had to to win while others did not..

blinded by hate and jealousy of others rosters is not being much of fan, because reality shows the defense was and has been our Achilles heel in big games from 2016 to now..

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You already know woulda coulda shoulda's dont count. You would have used the same ammo to shoot me if the shoe was on the other foot, so what are you talking about!

Do you even know what you're trying to say?
There's not a single woulda could a should a in my entire post lmao.

And what other foot? there's no other player we are discussing.

Delete this post while you can. The whole thread while you are at it.

 

[blumayne38]

To be honest I don't know why Dak threads are still popping up, his season, our season, is over. The only thing you can do is hope for the best, next season.

Because people want better that’s why there is always a window always...

 

[SoupcanSam]

Do you even know what you're trying to say?
There's not a single woulda could a should a in my entire post lmao.

And what other foot? there's no other player we are discussing.

Delete this post while you can. The whole thread while you are at it.

Why does almost and coming within points of the Championship mean so much to you!

Did the cowboys ever make it there?

In the end Dak still failed and wasnt good enough. We want QBs that can go the whole way when his number is called and not choke.

But you are pleased with mediocrity. Just look at your username!

Probably the best football you have ever seen before this new era of mediocrity!

 

[blueblood70]

Over their last seven games—five regular season, two postseason—the Saints, with a supposedly great offense, averaged a measly 19.7 points per game and went 4-3. Last seven games: Saints 138, Foes 137

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-rams-saints-patriots-chiefs-fmia-peter-king/


It's still a team game and requires a great effort from the whole team, not just a QB to win, especially in the post season.

right on brother..my sentiments exactly

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Why does almost and coming within points of the Championship mean so much to you!

Did the cowboys ever make it there?

In the end Dak still failed and wasnt good enough. We want QBs that can go the whole way when his number is called and not choke.

But you are pleased with mediocrity. Just look at your username!

Probably the best football you have ever seen before this new era of mediocrity!

You said we would never sniff a NFFC with dak.

We've already sniffed it twice, while Dak was 23 and 25 years old.

Defend your statement.

How the **** could we not go to a NFFC game with Dak if we've already been within one score of doing so two times in his first three seasons? There is zero logic to that statement.

And Dak didn't fail this year or in 2016, the defense and run game did, the only shining spot was Dak. Put a better team around him and the one score turns into us going.

 

[blueblood70]

Why does almost and coming within points of the Championship mean so much to you!

Did the cowboys ever make it there?

In the end Dak still failed and wasnt good enough. We want QBs that can go the whole way when his number is called and not choke.

But you are pleased with mediocrity. Just look at you username!

Probably the best football you have ever seen before this new era of mediocrity!

we watch the entire NFL , games arent exclusive to you we see whats reality, your points are not valid Dak has not choked away one playoff game..The defense now is another story..they have give up the dagger drive in just about every big game and get no sacks or TOs when it counts..the most overrated storys of the year were how great the defense played, they got worse every game after the Saints win...they nearly let the Hawks back in it, they got rolled by Rogers and the Rams the last playoff losses..nothing to do with Dak AT ALL..

I saw teams win , Brady wasn't great 2 picks nearly 3rd I saw overthrows short arms , bad decsions that were bailed out by penalties and good team effort plus superior coaching..i saw this from Brees as well he technically choked in OT threw a Pick didnt he when it was on the line? or was that great d by the rams either way Teams helped along those wins by the SB matchups..

you saying that watching all of the NFL games that not one of these QBs and Goff specifically never had bead series, a bad game? there was stretch what week 13-16 goff had 1 td and 7 ints..

Dak and Romo have not choked away one PLayoff game that I watched but those defenses, murrays fumbles Bailys missed FGs, coaching not prepared, yes they choked on chicken bone..

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

we watch the entire NFL , games arent exclusive to you we see whats reality, your points are not valid Dak has not choked away one playoff game..The defense now is another story..they have give up the dagger drive in just about every big game and get no sacks or TOs when it counts..the most overrated storys of the year were how great the defense played, they got worse every game after the Saints win...they nearly let the Hawks back in it, they got rolled by Rogers and the Rams the last playoff losses..nothing to do with Dak AT ALL..

I saw teams win , Brady wasn't great 2 picks nearly 3rd I saw overthrows short arms , bad decsions that were bailed out by penalties and good team effort plus superior coaching..i saw this from Brees as well he technically choked in OT threw a Pick didnt he when it was on the line? or was that great d by the rams either way Teams helped along those wins by the SB matchups..

you saying that watching all of the NFL games that not one of these QBs and Goff specifically never had bead series, a bad game? there was stretch what week 13-16 goff had 1 td and 7 ints..

Dak and Romo have not choked away one PLayoff game that I watched but those defenses, murrays fumbles Bailys missed FGs, coaching not prepared, yes they choked on chicken bone..

It's just such a stupid argument.

"We'll never reach a Super Bowl or NFFC with Dak as Qb, don't bring up other QBs stats to justify it"

Why the hell not? Goff has been as much a bus driver as we have seen in many many years and he just made the SB. Dak's two game stats blow Goff's out of the water. If that's the case the issue isn't the QB, there's other factors.

 

[blueblood70]

It's just such a stupid argument.

"We'll never reach a Super Bowl or NFFC with Dak as Qb, don't bring up other QBs stats to justify it"

Why the hell not? Goff has been as much a bus driver as we have seen in many many years and he just made the SB. Dak's two game stats blow Goff's out of the water. If that's the case the issue isn't the QB, there's other factors.

the biggest issue is we dont need to tear down another QB to make our point..just watch the playoff games and its Obvious Dak or Romo were not the reasons we lost and yet the QB here is blamed for everything..bad defense #1 reason we lost most of our recent playoff losses, some refs, some coaching, a few bad moments for a player like Crayton etc..

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

the biggest issue is we dont need to tear down another QB to make our point..just watch the playoff games and its Obvious Dak or Romo were not the reasons we lost and yet the QB here is blamed for everything..bad defense #1 reason we lost most of our recent playoff losses, some refs, some coaching, a few bad moments for a player like Crayton etc..

Yep. You have to be able to look at it without bias.

Our QB takes up $600K of cap space and is playing at a playoff level. That means other areas are underperforming