Now it makes sense about hiring Kellen

[glimmerman]

Jason Garrett is an offensive coach. If you don't want him involved in his own offense then it's pretty pointless to have him as your head coach. This is micromanaging at it's finest. It's what we've seen from Jerry for over two decades. He thinks he knows better and we've got 23 years of proof that he doesn't.

JJ and JG are a match for each other. JG let’s JJ micromanage and they are both stuck in the glory years of the 1990’s. They think this playbook will get to and win the SB. They live in a time we had stars at every position. Worst player on our Offense was Alvin Harper. It dont work in today’s salary cap. JJ don’t seem to micromanage the other coaches beside the HC, so perhaps if JG wants to keep his job then he let’s Moore update and upgrade some things. Actual wrinkles in our scheme.

 

[visionary]

Jason Garrett is an offensive coach. If you don't want him involved in his own offense then it's pretty pointless to have him as your head coach. This is micromanaging at it's finest. It's what we've seen from Jerry for over two decades. He thinks he knows better and we've got 23 years of proof that he doesn't.

Yes, BUT....

How do you KNOW it won't miraculously work out next year?

 

[Runwildboys]

Everyone is saying the kid’s got “it”, so Jerry thinks he COULD have his own in house McVay. By not extending Garrett, it sends the message that he’s coaching for his job, as well as telling Kellen “Here’s your shot!”

Depending on how 2019 goes, they have multiple options:

1)Extend Garrett and keep Moore at OC.
2)Fire Garrett, bring in an outside replacement, and keep Moore at OC.
3)Jettison JG, promote Moore to HC, and bring in a new OC.
4)Fire Garrett, promote Richard to HC, keep Moore at OC, and change DC.

Options.

If Moore does well, there's no reason for Jerry to get rid of Garrett.

 

[CouchCoach]

The only thing I am holding onto at this point is that not just Linehan but others have talked about him having a young good football mind. He was Linehans pet cat and wanted to keep him on the team. Made his QB coach to start getting coaching experience. With Linehan we were going to get the same predictable playcalling we all complain about. 1st and goal and we call 3 straight pass plays. Let’s see what he has and what he is allowed to do to the playbook, formations, etc. If nothing then we will get the same playcalls in a different order. Lol. But it will be different.

The talk about Moore's football acumen began before Linehan. His former HC, Chris Peterson, said he had the best football mind of any QB he'd seen and Gruden was singing his praises as well.

The challenge for Moore is the expectations for many expecting him to work miracles and not considering the time it took McVay, Nagy and even Pederson to become savvy with the NFL offense. Moore is there for a couple of reasons, he's cheap and wants the job and he can't be much worse than Linehan was.

But if I am a HC in my contract year with the expectations set where they are, do I want a neophyte as my OC?

 

[glimmerman]

I do. Because it's a change, and we desperately needed to get away from Linehan.

I have no idea if Moore can be an OC, but at least it's not Linehan!!!!!

If I had to go through another season of watching him get on the goal line with a good O-Line and one of the best RB in the game and not using him even 1 out of 3 downs then I would have a heart attack.

 

[_sturt_]

And, but, somewhat obviously, the counterpoint to that @glimmerman is that it's not as-if Linehan's offenses never had any success.

But I agree with @links18 , it's hard to conceive that Garrett in his contract year is not the defacto OC, and that even if Moore is mouthing the plays, he's only the contractor... Garrett is the architect.

 

[ESisback]

I do know the future
Go back and read my posts
I said 6 years ago we should fire Garrett
I said 6 years ago we will never win a SB with Garrett

Meanwhile you were clinging to your "but but, how do you know" milk bottle

Well, now that we have determined that I actually can predict the future, can you answer my question?

If you can predict the future, why would you have questions?

 

[glimmerman]

If Moore does well, there's no reason for Jerry to get rid of Garrett.

Probly the reason Moore is getting the shot.

 

[CouchCoach]

If Moore does well, there's no reason for Jerry to get rid of Garrett.

Indeed, if he does well, it might be because of Garrett. If we can believe what we heard earlier, Garrett was thinking of getting rid of Linehan last off season. I think Booger didn't want to pay him off not to coach because I do not think he holds coaching in high regard.

 

[_sturt_]

The talk about Moore's football acumen began before Linehan. His former HC, Chris Peterson, said he had the best football mind of any QB he'd seen and Gruden was singing his praises as well.

Yes, but again, you surely have to realize YOU'RE CITING PEOPLE WHO HAD A BUILT-IN BIAS to say those kinds of things.

Chad Pennington has had those things said of him.

That doesn't on its own set-up Chad Pennington to become an NFL offensive coordinator.

 

[ESisback]

If Moore does well, there's no reason for Jerry to get rid of Garrett.

Probably right, but what if Jerry becomes convinced that Garrett is actually holding Moore back?

 

[glimmerman]

And, but, somewhat obviously, the counterpoint to that @glimmerman is that it's not as-if Linehan's offenses never had any success.

But I agree with @links18 , it's hard to conceive that Garrett in his contract year is not the defacto OC, and that even if Moore is mouthing the plays, he's only the contractor... Garrett is the architect.

When you have had our O-Line and RB and even WR then you will have success whether it’s the same plays or not. But when you get to the playoffs then you are playing the best of the best and the coaching comes into play. The little extra things separate you. We can’t get over the hump.

 

[CouchCoach]

Romo wasn't injury prone. He sustained too many injuries due to Jerry not taking care of business and keeping a decent OL in front of him. 3 years of a massive beating was too much. He had injury issues due to incompetent GMing.

Which he admitted, stupidly, during Romo's contract negotiations. Mouth moving; brain disengaged.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

IMO, all that happened is Garrett took the 3 index card playbook from Linehan and turned it over to Moore. I don't expect any significant changes. It's Jerry's consistency, the consistency that keeps this team with a mediocre offense no matter who the OC or QB is. Jerry could lure McDaniels out of NE to be the OC, and Garrett would hand him the 3 index card playbook and the offense would look the same. I don't expect to see Moore's "genius" as long as Garrett is here.

 

[ItzKelz]

Romo wasn't injury prone. He sustained too many injuries due to Jerry not taking care of business and keeping a decent OL in front of him. 3 years of a massive beating was too much. He had injury issues due to incompetent GMing.

Romo started his career with a line that had 3 probowlers

 

[glimmerman]

The talk about Moore's football acumen began before Linehan. His former HC, Chris Peterson, said he had the best football mind of any QB he'd seen and Gruden was singing his praises as well.

The challenge for Moore is the expectations for many expecting him to work miracles and not considering the time it took McVay, Nagy and even Pederson to become savvy with the NFL offense. Moore is there for a couple of reasons, he's cheap and wants the job and he can't be much worse than Linehan was.

But if I am a HC in my contract year with the expectations set where they are, do I want a neophyte as my OC?

If I am JG then I am letting him instal new wrinkles and updating this playbook. We will have different situational playcalling now. JG has to know this team can’t get over the hump. If we make the playoffs then JJ will have no major reason to fire JG. Your making the playoffs and if we get in a win another playoff game or 2 them he is extended.

 

[CouchCoach]

Wasn't the majority of the time Romo missed due injuries were after the team drafted Smith, Frederick and Martin?

They already had Big Smitty but Yosemite and Martin came right after Romo's last contract when Booger made that comment about Romo being the only QB that could play behind his own OL. I believe it was part of the agreement that OL would be taken with 1sts which is why some felt they reached for Yosemite but they did tale OL in the 1st back to back.

I also believe when Booger made that comment, he might have triggered Mrs. Romo into the negotiation. It was surprising that he didn't miss more games with the punishment he was taking with lookout blocks.

 

[OmerV]

They already had Big Smitty but Yosemite and Martin came right after Romo's last contract when Booger made that comment about Romo being the only QB that could play behind his own OL. I believe it was part of the agreement that OL would be taken with 1sts which is why some felt they reached for Yosemite but they did tale OL in the 1st back to back.

I also believe when Booger made that comment, he might have triggered Mrs. Romo into the negotiation. It was surprising that he didn't miss more games with the punishment he was taking with lookout blocks.

You are talking about when Jerry made comments, not when Romo got hurt. The injuries that cost Romo most of 2015 and 2016 were after Fred and Martin were on the team, along with Tyron.

 

[_sturt_]

When you have had our O-Line and RB and even WR then you will have success whether it’s the same plays or not. But when you get to the playoffs then you are playing the best of the best and the coaching comes into play. The little extra things separate you. We can’t get over the hump.

Actually, we missed Frederick in a big way. And though he wasn't the same Jason Witten, in the red zone, we missed him in a big way there, too. Once we had another viable #1 WR, it helped, but we never reached the levels reached in 2016... and the difference was personnel.

Playoffs, our offense won vs. SEA. Late, our defense almost made it another heartbreaker. And then had our defense merely stopped the Rams from scoring and, thus also, given our offense 2-3 more possessions... that's a different game. Can't legitimately lay our failure to get over the playoff hump in Linehan's lap.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yes, but again, you surely have to realize YOU'RE CITING PEOPLE WHO HAD A BUILT-IN BIAS to say those kinds of things.

Chad Pennington has had those things said of him.

That doesn't on its own set-up Chad Pennington to become an NFL offensive coordinator.

True but that doesn't affect the Joneses thinking.