What's the plan with Mike White?

[Cowfan75]

And I'll continue to post as I see fit, so you are back to posting as you want, and I'm back to responding if I feel the desire to do so.

And I will continue to look forward to hearing from my number one fan, as always!

 

[NumOneQB]

Bring in another rookie or vet to supplant Rush and White will be gone. Rush stunk last year.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It doesn't take revamping the entire offense to go from a Romo style QB to a Dak style QB, to a White style QB.

You'd fit right in with Garrett. Next man up! We do what we do!

 

[OmerV]

You'd fit right in with Garrett. Next man up! We do what we do!

This is just a rote response that ignores most of what I said, and ignores facts. I gave you specific examples of other teams - successful teams - that have back up QBs that are not the same style player as the starting QB. I gave you the example with the Cowboys of Dak, who is a different style QB than Romo, and who stepped into an offense that Romo had run for 10 years and had what some called the best rookie season of any QB in history. I also talked about how it is better to have a backup QB that a team feels actually has a chance to play at the NFL, than to stretch for a QB that has a similar style as the existing starter but the team doesn’t feel has the same chance.

Here’s another fact - there are very few quality NFL QBs that are not 1st or 2nd round picks, which means the pickings are slim in the 5th round. Accordingly, to have any chance at all to draft a 5th round QB that has the potential to contribute, you have to choose the guy you feel provides that best chance to be a competitive player in the NFL and not compromise on talent and potential by locking into only one “style” of QB.

Skip the rote response and explain what specifically about the above you dispute.

Let me ask you this - do you think the Ravens scrapped their entire offensive scheme and started over from scratch in the middle of the 2018 season when Lamar Jackson became the QB? That’s not realistically how it works.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I hope we don't let him play, because he will hurt daks fragile ego.

 

[buybuydandavis]

This is just a rote response that ignores most of what I said, and ignores facts. I gave you specific examples of other teams - successful teams - that have back up QBs that are not the same style player as the starting QB. I gave you the example with the Cowboys of Dak, who is a different style QB than Romo, and who stepped into an offense that Romo had run for 10 years and had what some called the best rookie season of any QB in history. I also talked about how it is better to have a backup QB that a team feels actually has a chance to play at the NFL, than to stretch for a QB that has a similar style as the existing starter but the team doesn’t feel has the same chance.

Here’s another fact - there are very few quality NFL QBs that are not 1st or 2nd round picks, which means the pickings are slim in the 5th round. Accordingly, to have any chance at all to draft a 5th round QB that has the potential to contribute, you have to choose the guy you feel provides that best chance to be a competitive player in the NFL and not compromise on talent and potential by locking into only one “style” of QB.

Skip the rote response and explain what specifically about the above you dispute.

I don't think we should be hoping for a backup at least until Dak has a long extension. Our QBs should be guys who maybe could start for us.

And I disagree about picking the best available, ignoring all else. At mid rounds, we're already talking low probability crap shoot, one largely indistinguishable in likelihood from the next. At least take a crap shoot who fits what you want to do.

Talent and potential are always contextual. I'd argue that Dak could have been more, and maybe a lot more, with a team that actually let Dak be Dak. If your scheme is going to limit the "better" player to things he's not actually better at, he's not really better *for you*. A QB who is better *because he can run* won't be better if you don't *let* him run. A QB who *can't* run won't be better if you *make* him run.

Tony would have been worse running the read option.

Players are not interchangeable cogs. "Next man up" and "we do what we do" is Garrett making a virtue of not doing his job, which is to make the most of the players he has.

 

[Jake]

So let's get the ball rolling already. What's the plan with Mike White? Big arm. He's been stowed away somewhere all season. 6'4" 225lbs. Throws a rocket. He's gotta be about 6'6" 240lbs by now. Is he going to make Cooper Rush a forgotten man this year? I hear Moore and White are like Tony and Jason. Best buds. Interesting.

Hopefully he's second string in 2019. Cooper Rush is not an NFL QB. White has the potential to be one.

 

[OmerV]

I don't think we should be hoping for a backup at least until Dak has a long extension. Our QBs should be guys who maybe could start for us.

And I disagree about picking the best available, ignoring all else. At mid rounds, we're already talking low probability crap shoot, one largely indistinguishable in likelihood from the next. At least take a crap shoot who fits what you want to do.

Talent and potential are always contextual. I'd argue that Dak could have been more, and maybe a lot more, with a team that actually let Dak be Dak. If your scheme is going to limit the "better" player to things he's not actually better at, he's not really better *for you*. A QB who is better *because he can run* won't be better if you don't *let* him run. A QB who *can't* run won't be better if you *make* him run.

Tony would have been worse running the read option.

Players are not interchangeable cogs. "Next man up" and "we do what we do" is Garrett making a virtue of not doing his job, which is to make the most of the players he has.

Always need a backup, and when White was drafted there were 2 years left on Dak’s contract. You can’t keep using a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB every 2-3 years when the current QB’s contract has 2 years left.

We agree it is a crapshoot when drafting a QB in the 5th round, but we disagree on how a team should draft and even what they want to do. A team should draft the player they think is less of a crapshoot, not make the odds even worse by locking into one style of QB. And what they want, above all else, is a QB that can play at the NFL level and help the team - that is the overriding factor.

As for scheme, if a QB is more a traditional pocket passer you use plays from the playbook that fit his strengths. If he is more mobile, you use plays from the playbook that fit those strengths. If you have to tweak some plays or formations, or add some, so be it. A playbook is an evolving thing, not something chisled in stone.

To suggest having a QB like White with a different skill set means the Cowboys don’t want a QB like Dak is to say the Steelers backup means they don’t want a QB like Roethlesberger, and the Seahawks don’t want a QB like Russell Wilson, and the Chargers don’t want a QB like Rivers. It means the Cowboys didn’t want a QB like Aikman at the time Randall Cunningham was the backup, and the Steelers didn’t want Roethlesberger when Vick was the backup. The reality is, it doesn’t mean any of these things.

 

[BigD_95]

As good as Romo was reporters always talked how horrific he was during his first two years of practice. But Tony committed himself to winning a starting role.

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Going to call BS here. I never heard that and heard nothing but the opposite. When Sean Payton left Dallas and became coach of the Saints he tried to trade for Romo before he got Brees. He already knew Romo was special. Another one of the mistakes Bill Parcells made was not playing Romo earlier when he was clearly the better QB.

 

[8FOR!3]

The plan with Mike White from a fan's perspective is to sit back and see how he looks in the preseason. Coaches know how he's coming along, but once the games start he will either put up or shut up. If he's worth a darn, he'll start to improve a little this year.

 

[BigD_95]

I am big on developing Quarterbacks, ironically, I don't think most NFL teams are. I think that the team always should have 3 on the roster and 1 on the practice squad. I also think that the team should have a quarterback coach for each QB. The position is too valuable not to invest time in ensuring proper footwork and a quick accurate release.

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I like the idea of each QB having his own QB coach! I don't think I ever heard that before. I wonder if any teams do this. But your right. For as important of a position this makes lots of sense. You should email that to Jerry.

 

[kskboys]

This is the most exciting part imo about this upcoming season. Seeing what white and rush can do.

I think they both are talented enough to outdo Dak in preseason and put some pressure on him. If either show that strong arm, quickness and accuracy us fan have been looking for then that could spell trouble for Prescott.

Did you just say Rush was talented? And then mentioned a strong arm? Holy Larry, that's just funny!!!!

 

[erod]

What he needs is improvement over last year
I’d love to see him be ready to be the backup but that’s not likely
The kid has the physical stuff you want, now it’s just the mental part
I’d like to see him with ones but I’d also like to see much more Dak with the ones this camp
I think last year it was a mistake to not play a virtually new receiving group and your QB more

You could say that about all three of our quarterbacks.

 

[SoupcanSam]

Did you just say Rush was talented? And then mentioned a strong arm? Holy Larry, that's just funny!!!!

This is all about you being unable to stomach criticism over Dak.

That's all that is.

 

[glimmerman]

He and Rush are gonna battle it out this year for back up. I do expect to see our starters more in preseason this year.

 

[cowboyec]

backs up Dak.
wish my tests in school had been as easy as this'n here.
but then I'da missed the fun and excitement of toilet cleanin',trash pullin' and floor mopin'.

 

[buybuydandavis]

As for scheme, if a QB is more a traditional pocket passer you use plays from the playbook that fit his strengths. If he is more mobile, you use plays from the playbook that fit those strengths. If you have to tweak some plays or formations, or add some, so be it.

That's not the way Garrett rolls, as a matter of philosophy.

Next man up.
We do what we do.

 

[OmerV]

That's not the way Garrett rolls, as a matter of philosophy.

Next man up.
We do what we do.

That’s exactly how Garrett rolls. Dak hasn’t been limited to only doing what Romo did. There were no QB keepers or option plays being run before Dak. Those were added to make use of Daks mobility.

 

[buybuydandavis]

That’s exactly how Garrett rolls. Dak hasn’t been limited to only doing what Romo did. There were no QB keepers or option plays being run before Dak. Those were added to make use of Daks mobility.

Our offense is tweaked for Dak, not geared for Dak.

 

[OmerV]

Our offense is tweaked for Dak, not geared for Dak.

Did you read what I wrote? I didn’t say they completely redesign the offense depending on whether a QB is more mobile or more a pocket lot passer, I said they merely adjust what plays they use from the playbook, and tweak or add other plays. And that’s my point. Teams don’t do that. The Ravens didn’t in the middle of the 2018 season change their entire offense to change from Flacco to Jackson. Teams don’t have to do a 180. They aren’t switching from a pro style offense to the Wishbone. They merely utilize different parts of the playbook, add a few wrinkles and/or plays and game plan a little differently.