Will Jerry ever bring in a proven HC again?

[Nightman]

OK ....just for clarity..... PITT is 2-2 in the Super Bowl in

Jerry is 3-0
Who cares. At least they have a more respectfully ran franchise and place themselves in a greater position to win.

Again, you’re giving Jerry a pass for his early success.

We appreciate that but at what point do you begin to question his effectiveness this era?

I said in my first response I give Jerry a pass..... try to keep up

Winning 3 SBs is a lifetime pass...... Landry only won 2 in his great run

 

[Sydla]

Who cares. At least they have a more respectfully ran franchise and place themselves in a greater position to win.

Again, you’re giving Jerry a pass for his early success.

We appreciate that but at what point do you begin to question his effectiveness this era?

By any rational assessment, the Cowboys have not been one of the better franchises in the NFL over the last two decades. Jerry's success, which is impressive, is tied to about a 5-6 year run over two decades ago. No, you can't take that away from him, but when you are looking at his entire run, by any logical measure, what you see is an immediate run to greatness followed by 23 years of what is, frankly, mediocre results.

I am not sure how anyone can argue that Jerry Jones has been a really good GM when you look at the entire body of work, the timelines involved, etc.

The lifetime pass angle is silly at this point. As with most things, SBs (or any high level success) can gain you goodwill but you can burn up that goodwill quickly. Reid took the Eagles to 5 NFCCG games and a SB. But after awhile, that goodwill he earned wore off and the franchise made a move. Same with guys like Landry. Yes, he won two SBs and is one of the all time great NFL coaches but his time was up. Jerry was right to move on from him. Landry shouldn't have been allowed to coach forever simply because he won two SBs years before.

Jerry won three SBs out of the shoot but has done squat in the 23 years since leading this franchise. As I said earlier, if he wasn't the owner, he'd have been fired as GM years ago.

 

[Diehardblues]

I said in my first response I give Jerry a pass..... try to keep up

Winning 3 SBs is a lifetime pass...... Landry only won 2 in his great run

Thanks for supporting my thoughts.

 

[Nightman]

Your obtuseness is showing again. So expecting at least one SB appearance in 23 years is an unrealistic expectation from what you apparently think is one of the elite franchises in the NFL? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Let's put it another way. Your financial advisor once made you a bunch of money in the early 90s, but since then, he's barely been adequate and not made you much of anything for the last two decades. Would you call him a success?

yes..... that ton of money set me up for life

kind of like Tarantino..... he gave Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction and then 2 decades of crap..... it doesn't take away from the greatness of the first 2

 

[Diehardblues]

Who cares. At least they have a more respectfully ran franchise and place themselves in a greater position to win.

Again, you’re giving Jerry a pass for his early success.

We appreciate that but at what point do you begin to question his effectiveness this era?

By any rational assessment, the Cowboys have not been one of the better franchises in the NFL over the last two decades. Jerry's success, which is impressive, is tied to about a 5-6 year run over two decades ago. No, you can't take that away from him, but when you are looking at his entire run, by any logical measure, what you see is an immediate run to greatness followed by 23 years of what is, frankly, mediocre results.

I am not sure how anyone can argue that Jerry Jones has been a really good GM.[/QUOTE]
That wasn’t my post your quoting . That was nightmares. I somehow screwed up when quoting.
My reply was immediately following which is the quote I’m replying to here.
Sorry

 

[CPanther95]

Who cares. At least they have a more respectfully ran franchise and place themselves in a greater position to win.

Mike Tomlin says, "Hold my beer."

 

[Sydla]

yes..... that ton of money set me up for life

kind of like Tarantino..... he gave Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction and then 2 decades of crap..... it doesn't take away from the greatness of the first 2

It doesn't take away from the greatness of the first 2............. but his overall reputation has most definitely taken a hit following up two quick hits with two decades of crap.

And you are clearly bad with money if you would stick and defend a financial advisor that hasn't made you any real money in 23 years.

 

[Nightman]

Jerry won three SBs out of the shoot but has done squat in the 23 years since leading this franchise. As I said earlier, if he wasn't the owner, he'd have been fired as GM years ago.

You keep saying that '23 years of garbage' but you ignore the 7 Division Titles in that timeline and 10 Playoff appearances

 

[Diehardblues]

Here’s the bigger question . What franchise would take Jerry and his agendas this era?

Would any fan want Jerry as their GM now with the dysfunctional organization we currently have ?

 

[ItzKelz]

LOL. Marvin Lewis won an AP coach of the year. So did Mike Smith. And Lovie Smith. You want any of those three?

So IYO that means nothing even though Dak was a 4th round rookie replacing a QB that finished 2nd in the MVP race 2 seasons before?

 

[Sydla]

You keep saying that '23 years of garbage' but you ignore the 7 Division Titles in that timeline and 10 Playoff appearances

It's been pretty much been a very blah run over that 23 years. 7 divisional titles in 23 years for what you claim is one of the elite NFL franchises is embarrassing. Philly has 8. You calling them a great franchise? I suspect not.

In 23 years, they have 4 playoff wins. FOUR. Yes, you read that right. One of the elite franchises, as you claim they are, has four playoff wins in 23 seasons.

In the last 23 years:

Philly - 14 playoff wins (13 appearances)
Giants - 10 playoff wins (9 appearances)
Cowboys - 4 playoff wins (10 apperances)
Commanders - 2 playoff wins (5 appearances)

The Cowboys are actually closer to the Commanders in playoff success the last 23 years than the Giants or Eagles.

 

[Sydla]

So IYO that means nothing even though Dak was a 4th round rookie replacing a QB that finished 2nd in the MVP race 2 seasons before?

Huh?

The point is that a COY award doesn't necessarily mean the guy is a great coach.

 

[Runwildboys]

Like coach of the year good way?

Mind you I'm not a Garrett hater, but that said, regardless of his "accolades", he should have brought this team much farther several times, with the talent we've had.

 

[Nightman]

It's been pretty much been a very blah run over that 23 years. 7 divisional titles in 23 years for what you claim is one of the elite NFL franchises is embarrassing. Philly has 8. You calling them a great franchise? I suspect not.

In 23 years, they have 4 playoff wins. FOUR. Yes, you read that right. One of the elite franchises, as you claim they are, has four playoff wins in 23 seasons.

In the last 23 years:

Philly - 14 playoff wins (13 appearances)
Giants - 10 playoff wins (9 appearances)
Cowboys - 4 playoff wins (10 apperances)
Commanders - 2 playoff wins (5 appearances)

The Cowboys are actually closer to the Commanders in playoff success the last 23 years than the Giants or Eagles.

Did you hurt your back moving those goalposts

I never said "great"..... I said you called them garbage..... winning the Division every 3rd year and going to the Playoffs every other year is far from garbage..... and those are our worst years

 

[Sydla]

Did you hurt your back moving those goalposts

I never said "great"..... I said you called them garbage..... winning the Division every 3rd year and going to the Playoffs every other year is far from garbage..... and those are our worst years

One, I never said you said their run was "great". But your implication is definitely that their last 23 years wasn't mediocre, when, in fact, it was. And you definitely think Jerry is a great GM and the Cowboys are apparently an elite franchise.

I also never said the last 23 years was garbage. So I am not sure why you put that in quotes a post before this one.

 

[Sydla]

Cowboys 4 playoff wins over the last 23 years would tie them for 23rd in total playoff wins over that period with the Raiders. The only teams worse:

Texans - 3
Dolphins - 3
Chiefs - 2
Commanders - 2
Lions - 0
Bills - 0
Bengals - 0
Browns - 0

By any rational analysis, the last 23 years has likely not even been "mediocre". It's been below average.

 

[CouchCoach]

To answer that I'd need to know who are his influencers now? Garrett was brought in because of the influence of his family, which is one of the reasons family run enterprises can struggle. And "proven" as in a ring holder like Payton?

He didn't make the job more attractive with these latest two gaffes about Linehan and emasculating Garrett but look at that from a HC perspective, is Garrett getting anything he doesn't deserve? The reason they wanted him was his agreement to go along because when Parcells was in charge, Booger was miserable.

If he is to bring in a proven HC, like a Payton, then it must be someone he knows well and they know him. The responsibilities have to be delineated and agreed upon in advance. Booger must respect the HC enough not to meddle and that has not been the case with Garrett. And I do not think he meddles in the game planning or calling, just most everything else. The man has been hands on most of his life and he doesn't have anything else to do.

I do think the "credit" card has been overplayed because how would that be proven, who's getting credit? Booger is the face of the franchise, he will claim and get credit for anything the team does. He's already got the media afraid to call him out as a GM, the blame goes everywhere but at him, he gets interviews when he wants them so who is not going to give him credit should they win it all? If any blame is in his direction, they're very careful how to word it and that is always with compliments attached. The only HC he could hire and not get credit isn't leaving NE.

Ole Doc CC has examined Booger and knows his problem. He, emotionally, never left Fayetteville. He was part of the biggest event in state history, bigger than Little Rock in 57 or electing a president. His roommate was his bud but they were fiercely competitive, especially for Broyles attention and Switzer's, who was a big influence on them. Both wanted to go into coaching but Booger wanted more money than that paid so he went another direction. But, that suppressed desire has never left him, he would love to be in that locker room, hanging with the players, feeling that feeling again. It was a grand feeling winning those rings, especially the one without Jimmy but there was an emptiness to it because Jimmy still gets credit, they even called it "Jimmy's team" for that last ring.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Why does the early succees continue giving Jerry a pass?

That's the question of the day...

 

[OmerV]

Jerry has only brought in a proven HC twice in his era. Initially to set the teams course bringing them out of potential bankruptcy and the second time to resurrect from a 5-11 Funk to gain public support for a new stadium.

What would it take for Jerry to set his ego aside again or stop his pursuit of trying to prove he can build and win a championship without a proven HC who’d receive more credit than him?

Or are we stuck in this situation until Jerry’s last breathe barring a total collapse or financial barrier?

Remember he tried winning championships with a great HC but didn’t like not receiving the credit he was pursuing. What gives us hope Jerry will change?

Who is the other proven head coach jerry has hired besides Parcells? If you are including coaches proven in College, both Jimmy and Barry would apply

 

[CouchCoach]

Who is the other proven head coach jerry has hired besides Parcells?

Johnson was proven at the collegiate level.