Is Moore everthing that Garrett was supposed to be?

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I mean, Garrett kinda *was* everything Garrett was supposed to be as a young coordinator. As a coordinator, he oversaw very good offenses that accumulated good yards and scored good points. But the guy ahead of him, Wade, was in over his head, and that doomed those teams. If Kellen comes in and does about what Jason did as coordinator, I think the offense will benefit from the hire.

As a head coach, I'm not sure what he was "supposed to be" except someone who has a connection with Jerry. And he's largely been that as a head coach, a guy whose big contribution is a connection to Jones that allows him to coexist with Jones and handle Jones with kid gloves that most coaches just don't have.

And that's why the team has been able to quash a lot of Jerry's dumber trainwreck ideas, because Garrett seemingly has a better feel for how to navigate that minefield and for who he needs to talk to or what magic words he needs to say to keep Jerry from disastrously breaking through a wall and shouting "Oh yeah!" like the Kool-Aid man with his worst instincts as a G.M.

Talking Jerry off the ledge when he was about to commit suicide/Manziel and talking him instead into an un-sexy guard? That is a feat lots of coaches who are better pure coaches in a vacuum than Jason could never have pulled off, and some of our past coaches would've probably hung around longer and enjoyed more success if they could've mastered that level of Jerry-Whispering.

Until Jerry is gone, our head coach is like a home health aide or a full-time Jerry-babysitter. It's a job where coaching functionally pales in comparison to whether you're able to talk Jerry into eating all his vegetables and taking his bath. All the guys who are better pure coaches than Garrett but worse babysitters would still not be improvements over Jason for that reason.
 

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Seems to me like Moore was groomed to be the eventual OC. They knew he was incredibly football smart given his background and they also knew they didnt want him to walk... so they gave him the QB coach gig whilst Linehan called his way outta Dallas. Dallas knew WAAAAY before hand that they wanted Moore to take over the offense. 2 cents.
 
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-----Moore does not suck!!!

How do you know this? People are so starved for hope, that they are talking themselves into anything. The guy has ZERO track record......the fact that his dad was a coach means nothing more than that.
 

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100% agree. Read the article though. You cant tell me that Garrett was like that.

The article was an interesting read. I have to admit watching our last so called "genius" for about 12 years has left me skeptical of unproven geniuses. Nevertheless I have to agree with you, I can't picture Garrett sitting around studying the X's and O's like what they said about Moore.
When Garrett settles on a game plan, that is THE game plan. Plan A is plain old vanilla; There's no plan B, and no adjustments.

So I hope Moore has a free hand to run his own Goffense and ditch Garrett's vanilla Noffense.
I guess it's a chance we have to take.
 

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-----Moore does not suck!!!

How do you know this? People are so starved for hope, that they are talking themselves into anything. The guy has ZERO track record......the fact that his dad was a coach means nothing more than that.

True words Mannix, we DON'T know for sure, but then we don't have much choice in the matter either. Like I said before I can't help but be skeptical, but we've been spinning our wheels with Garrett and Linehan so what do we have to lose? If Garrett forces him to run the Garrett playbook, then we keep spinning our wheels in mediocrity. But if they give Moore a free hand to design his own X's & O's, there's a chance the bet will pay off.
 

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The article was an interesting read. I have to admit watching our last so called "genius" for about 12 years has left me skeptical of unproven geniuses. Nevertheless I have to agree with you, I can't picture Garrett sitting around studying the X's and O's like what they said about Moore.
When Garrett settles on a game plan, that is THE game plan. Plan A is plain old vanilla; There's no plan B, and no adjustments.

So I hope Moore has a free hand to run his own Goffense and ditch Garrett's vanilla Noffense.
I guess it's a chance we have to take.

Totally agree here. The lack of half time adjustments that we've seen over the years is definitely the evidence needed for this assumption.
 

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Seems to me like Moore was groomed to be the eventual OC. They knew he was incredibly football smart given his background and they also knew they didnt want him to walk... so they gave him the QB coach gig whilst Linehan called his way outta Dallas. Dallas knew WAAAAY before hand that they wanted Moore to take over the offense. 2 cents.

They haven't renewed JG's contract yet, maybe they're waiting to see how Moore does. Maybe, just maybe they're thinking about replacing Garrett after next year??? Yeah that's just a bit of wishful thinking, but you never know about Jerry.
 

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The more I read about Moore the more I like him. The problem for me hearing about a new young offensive genius was that this was exactly what we heard about Garrett. We all know how that turned out. But Garrett was a smart guy so everyone simply assumed that would translate into being a football genius. Which it definitely hasn't. The more I read about Moore the more it seems that he has what Garrett is lacking. That football intelligence and inquisitive creative mind. Lets just hope they give him autonomy.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow...from-a-kid-collecting-playbooks-to-cowboys-oc
A month ago 90% of the posters here didn't feel he was qualified to coach someone up on how to tie their shoes... now he's the offensive genius of all geniuses. I'm figuring in September well all find the truth is somewhere in the middle!
 

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A month ago 90% of the posters here didn't feel he was qualified to coach someone up on how to tie their shoes... now he's the offensive genius of all geniuses. I'm figuring in September well all find the truth is somewhere in the middle!

We didn't have any choice in the matter exciter, so we're just hoping for the best. And you're right, we'll find out more in September.
 

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We didn't have any choice in the matter exciter, so we're just hoping for the best. And you're right, we'll find out more in September.
Anyone paying minimal attention the last the years has known his future was in coaching. Much of the rhetoric when he was hired as the qb coach, basically an entry level coaching position was stupidly over the top. The pendulum has now swung the other way, for what is a much more important position! I didn't have an issue with him being the qb coach... not too sure he was quite ready for this amount of responsibility yet!
 

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nice article, based on that, he seems driven...if so, I just hope that Garrett doesn't keep him in neutral


Note: from the article, the first picture looks like Garrett is seeing a play-sheet for the first time in his life - he has no clue what it is, almost like he is leaning in to get in on the conversation between Moore and Dak
 

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Kellen Moore used to run the Boise State offense like Peyton Manning. He had full rein over audibles and used it often, made 2-3 reads regularly, even a casual fan watching TV could tell that he was one of those dudes who was seeing the whole picture. Like the article says, it seemed pretty much inevitable that he'd end up being a coach somewhere.

Now that being said, calling plays for an NFL team in year 2 isn't what anyone would've ever predicted either. I'm sure some of the shot callers in Frisco have a better view of the situation than we do, but it's hard to see how much he's showed in 2 or 3 years of hanging around the quarterbacks room and 1 year as a QB coach to deserve the job. I'm not sure whether he's really the best option available or if Dallas (and half of the NFL too) is just trying to promote a bunch of extremely young unknowns in hope of finding the next Sean McVay.
 

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The more I read about Moore the more I like him. The problem for me hearing about a new young offensive genius was that this was exactly what we heard about Garrett. We all know how that turned out. But Garrett was a smart guy so everyone simply assumed that would translate into being a football genius. Which it definitely hasn't. The more I read about Moore the more it seems that he has what Garrett is lacking. That football intelligence and inquisitive creative mind. Lets just hope they give him autonomy.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow...from-a-kid-collecting-playbooks-to-cowboys-oc
OMG, lets stop with all the Moore love until he actually produces and does something. he may someday be a good coach, but right now he is a coach with 1, a single year of experience....he will struggle as a OC...you don't go from the bench to QB coach to OC in two years and find success against veteran DC in the NFL. he will have to take some lumps, be taken to school and learn and earn his stripes. the same folks who are loving the grass is greener on the other side will blame Garrett when things don't go well..... and will want to hang, Moore and Garrett to dry next season
 

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Garrett has been everything I’d hope for. He resurrected a 1-7 team. Rebuilt it in his vision and had us on the verge of contending for a championship until our QB injury which reset our course.

Now we’ve had to build a stronger defense to overcome a lesser QB with an offense built more to run the ball than pass. In Garretts 8 + years he’s now basically transformed us twice and unfortunately expected to have more success without a more prolific passing QB.

All of this while influencing the most meddling owner in the league with all of the distractions associated without more controll in assistant coaches and personnel.

Garrett has become the least appreciated HC in Cowboys history while having the most success in this era all because we have fans who have expected more from the most dysfunctional organization in the league.
 

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I'm really not seeing people freaking out and calling Moore great. However, several are freaking out and accusing people of calling Moore great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The more I read about Moore the more I like him. The problem for me hearing about a new young offensive genius was that this was exactly what we heard about Garrett. We all know how that turned out. But Garrett was a smart guy so everyone simply assumed that would translate into being a football genius. Which it definitely hasn't. The more I read about Moore the more it seems that he has what Garrett is lacking. That football intelligence and inquisitive creative mind. Lets just hope they give him autonomy.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cow...from-a-kid-collecting-playbooks-to-cowboys-oc
JG was actually a really good coordinator. And fans don't like to hear this but the facts show that he has been one of the better coaches in the NFL.
 

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JG was actually a really good coordinator. And fans don't like to hear this but the facts show that he has been one of the better coaches in the NFL.
JG's time as OC is an interesting case. While he did have some brilliant playcalls, he also had some highly questionable ones. I wouldn't call him really good, but he wasn't terrible.
 

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JG's time as OC is an interesting case. While he did have some brilliant playcalls, he also had some highly questionable ones. I wouldn't call him really good, but he wasn't terrible.
JG maximized talent offensively. Felix was not a great runner but JG found a way to make him one of the best screen RB's in the game is an example. Of course most thought we were under utilizing Felix but when he left Dallas he was garbage. Just one example but the way he attack seems was pretty special for its time. A lot of teams do it now but not so much back then.
 
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