Jerry: ”I didn’t know it was going to be this tough”. Why it is this tough

[kskboys]

I take it from the tone of this thread that ~smack~ ya'll don't like them there 3 Super Bowl trophies

~car salesman wink~

I take it from this post that you don't like ~Brick head smack~ winning teams.

 

[Bobhaze]

I take it from the tone of this thread that ~smack~ ya'll don't like them there 3 Super Bowl trophies

~car salesman wink~

I liked them there 3 Super Bowls very much. But all we fans get now is a wink from the ultimate car salesman. And he’s been selling lemons now for 23 years and wondering why he doesn’t win.

 

[Bobhaze]

Thats impressive but as a fan, literally the only thing I care about is winning.

I wish the owner had this view.

 

[Captain-Crash]

cry us a river Jerry, big surprise you can't buy a super bowl like before. I guess you need to get rid of salary caps so you can buy a few more.

 

[DallasEast]

I know this is practically impossible but for every ticket holder to stage a walk out after the first play or not even show up. Or do not buy any concessions or parking passes. It has to be a public display for the media to get hold of it. Nothing hurts Jerry than an empty stadium or dissatisfied "fans" and the goal is the media publicly asking him to answer to it.

It is difficult getting hard numbers on NFL revenue but Forbes reported in 2017 that AT&T Stadium profited $440 million in 2015. That figure covers 'tickets, premium seating, concessions, sponsorships and parking'. Any decrease in those who impact Jones' bottom line.

There would be a couple of things to consider. It would be extremely improbable anyone paying for tickets, etc. would walk out. People pay for the game day experience or they do not pay and not attend.

Having people not attend is slightly more viable. The strategy holds merit concerning those who have not pre-purchased tickets but several questions develop for those who have. How many single or season ticket holders will not simply resell their tickets to the secondary market? It is difficult getting anyone who have invested in tickets or PSLs to absorb the expenditure. Will the strategy work on non-Cowboys fans? Other teams fans could not care less about Jones. They simply wish to see their team play. How does the strategy convince them to get on board with Cowboys fans not attending home games?

Getting enough people to not pay and eat at stadium revenue to the point where it made Jones' frown is questionable. How much of a decrease would be enough? 10%? 25? 50%? More? In my opinion, Jones loves making money but I doubt his love of money overrides his self-control over decision-making. I seriously believe Jones would remain stubborn if stadium revenue dipped 50%.

I have always mentioned basically two types of public display that would smack Jones psychologically. Getting paying fans to walk out would be hard. Getting fans inside the stadium to exhibit their dissatisfaction would be far easier. Wearing paper bags over heads would be a great suggestion but some people are too prideful. Fans have always displayed signs at sporting events. An alternative to paper bags would be convincing fans to display signs that taunt Jones. 10,000 or more signs would play fantastic in front of any network cameras and generate weekly national discussion that Jones could not ignore.

Similarly, thousands of non-paying fans could picket Jones in areas outside the stadium. Local television stations might pick up on the public display of dissatisfaction first but the networks would quickly follow suit. What expenditures would picketing fans be out of? Gas? A couple of hours of their own time? AT&T Stadium ticket prices have marginalized a significant number of fans for a long time. Converting and organizing that already existing dissatisfaction into public expression should not be THAT difficult. The weekly sight would prompt weekly questioning of Jones to explain fan disgruntlement. That sort of thing would wear on his narcissist nature.

Anything is possible but some things are farfetched. However, there are plausible alternatives. It is simply a matter of thinking outside the 'improbable' box.

 

[Valkyr]

I take it from this post that you don't like ~Brick head smack~ winning teams.

That's the bar, huh? I guess mediocrity is confused with excellence.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I liked them there 3 Super Bowls very much. But all we fans get now is a wink from the ultimate car salesman. And he’s been selling lemons now for 23 years and wondering why he doesn’t win.

I got those three SBs on VHS and the other day my young daughter said, “what is a VHS daddy”

Dam, at that moment I realized how old I am.

Depressing

 

[Bobhaze]

It is difficult getting hard numbers on NFL revenue but Forbes reported in 2017 that AT&T Stadium profited $440 million in 2015. That figure covers 'tickets, premium seating, concessions, sponsorships and parking'. Any decrease in those who impact Jones' bottom line.

There would be a couple of things to consider. It would be extremely improbable anyone paying for tickets, etc. would walk out. People pay for the game day experience or they do not pay and not attend.

Having people not attend is slightly more viable. The strategy holds merit concerning those who have not pre-purchased tickets but several questions develop for those who have. How many single or season ticket holders will not simply resell their tickets to the secondary market? It is difficult getting anyone who have invested in tickets or PSLs to absorb the expenditure. Will the strategy work on non-Cowboys fans? Other teams fans could not care less about Jones. They simply wish to see their team play. How does the strategy convince them to get on board with Cowboys fans not attending home games?

Getting enough people to not pay and eat at stadium revenue to the point where it made Jones' frown is questionable. How much of a decrease would be enough? 10%? 25? 50%? More? In my opinion, Jones loves making money but I doubt his love of money overrides his self-control over decision-making. I seriously believe Jones would remain stubborn if stadium revenue dipped 50%.

I have always mentioned basically two types of public display that would smack Jones psychologically. Getting paying fans to walk out would be hard. Getting fans inside the stadium to exhibit their dissatisfaction would be far easier. Wearing paper bags over heads would be a great suggestion but some people are too prideful. Fans have always displayed signs at sporting events. An alternative to paper bags would be convincing fans to display signs that taunt Jones. 10,000 or more signs would play fantastic in front of any network cameras and generate weekly national discussion that Jones could not ignore.

Similarly, thousands of non-paying fans could picket Jones in areas outside the stadium. Local television stations might pick up on the public display of dissatisfaction first but the networks would quickly follow suit. What expenditures would picketing fans be out of? Gas? A couple of hours of their own time? AT&T Stadium ticket prices have marginalized a significant number of fans for a long time. Converting and organizing that already existing dissatisfaction into public expression should not be THAT difficult. The weekly sight would prompt weekly questioning of Jones to explain fan disgruntlement. That sort of thing would wear on his narcissist nature.

Anything is possible but some things are farfetched. However, there are plausible alternatives. It is simply a matter of thinking outside the 'improbable' box.

I like the way you are thinking here, although I think the NFL is such a legalized mafia they would probably stifle fans who show anti-Jerry signs by pressuring the TV networks not to show the signs.

Look at what the NFL did to run off Bob Costas. Regardless of whether any of us agree or disagree with his comments, the NFL basically crushed having an independent media when it pressured NBC to get rid of Costas because it didn’t like what he was saying about CTE. The NFL has sizable clout when it comes to their image and they have friends in high places they have no problem leaning on.

I love the Dallas Cowboys because of my lifelong family experiences, especially growing up. But nowadays, I love the Cowboys in spite of my disgust for our owner/GM and my complete disdain for the 31 other billionaire owners who are ruining pro football with their greed, hubris and fleecing of their fans.

 

[Falco78]

Glad you are happy with the only GM in the NFL who doesn't watch game film. Glad you are happy with zero playoff wins in 23 years. Glad you are happy with a GM that spends most of his time chasing tail and trying to land concerts and boxing matches while real NFL GMs are trying to make their teams better. Glad you are happy with Kellen Moore and Garrett getting the opportunity to "learn on the job" instead of hiring proven coaches with a winning track record.

The Pats are not the only successful team the past 23 years. The Bucs won a Super Bowl, the lowly Raiders made it to a Super Bowl. Which part of Hazey's truths make you mad?

Yet our GM has had playoff wins in that time. I don't love him, but let's not go with this ignorance either!

 

[ClappingCarrot]

Anyone else notice the AAF hat Jerry is wearing during the aforementioned interview?

 

[mrmojo]

Jerry sees the Steinbrenner Yankee success in their heyday and uses that as his model. Unfortunately, the NFL ain't MLB and you can't just throw tons of money around to build a winner anymore.

When Steinbrenner was forced to leave the organization for a bit in the 90s the yankees built, through the farm system, the core to their dynasty. Maybe Jerry needs to step away for a year or so, although that will never happen.

 

[birdwells1]

NO stop the BS

the easy and very obvious answer it is tough, teams like Philly just one their FIRST in 60 plus years of existence, outside of NE its very tough..period end of story..Bret Farve played 19 season and won one, Pmanning had one until he was brought it to not mess up and was handed one after also 19 years..these are quick off the top of my head answers but its not easy to win SBS or even get to them if you are not NE..

Has not much to do with Jerry himself..anyone keep pointing that out explain why all the other franchises arent getting there and winning either , some never have some have 1 in their entire existence.. what the Cowboys havemt been back in 25plus years and still 3rd all time for SB appearances and wins? all these teams have had chance over 24-30 years to show the Cowboys how jerry holding them back but cant..theres no formula..sometimes it is hitting it right and having luck and circumstances fall into place, not always the best team with best coaches and players get there..you catch lightening in bottle , for the Boys they seem to have used up the luck and have had the opposite but the teams have been talented enough at least 5 years to make the SB..we have Talent we have been good enough, just have not had the extra luck to out us over the top..

Not saying JJ hasnt made mistakes from 1999-2003 should have fired himself as GM, over 2003-2007 it got better but not perfect but really the last 10 years the entire drafting, FA, Cap, and winning a lot more has basically given us a shot and thats better then tons of teams out there..

Ok why hasn't he made it back to the NFCCG?

 

[CouchCoach]

It is difficult getting hard numbers on NFL revenue but Forbes reported in 2017 that AT&T Stadium profited $440 million in 2015. That figure covers 'tickets, premium seating, concessions, sponsorships and parking'. Any decrease in those who impact Jones' bottom line.

There would be a couple of things to consider. It would be extremely improbable anyone paying for tickets, etc. would walk out. People pay for the game day experience or they do not pay and not attend.

Having people not attend is slightly more viable. The strategy holds merit concerning those who have not pre-purchased tickets but several questions develop for those who have. How many single or season ticket holders will not simply resell their tickets to the secondary market? It is difficult getting anyone who have invested in tickets or PSLs to absorb the expenditure. Will the strategy work on non-Cowboys fans? Other teams fans could not care less about Jones. They simply wish to see their team play. How does the strategy convince them to get on board with Cowboys fans not attending home games?

Getting enough people to not pay and eat at stadium revenue to the point where it made Jones' frown is questionable. How much of a decrease would be enough? 10%? 25? 50%? More? In my opinion, Jones loves making money but I doubt his love of money overrides his self-control over decision-making. I seriously believe Jones would remain stubborn if stadium revenue dipped 50%.

I have always mentioned basically two types of public display that would smack Jones psychologically. Getting paying fans to walk out would be hard. Getting fans inside the stadium to exhibit their dissatisfaction would be far easier. Wearing paper bags over heads would be a great suggestion but some people are too prideful. Fans have always displayed signs at sporting events. An alternative to paper bags would be convincing fans to display signs that taunt Jones. 10,000 or more signs would play fantastic in front of any network cameras and generate weekly national discussion that Jones could not ignore.

Similarly, thousands of non-paying fans could picket Jones in areas outside the stadium. Local television stations might pick up on the public display of dissatisfaction first but the networks would quickly follow suit. What expenditures would picketing fans be out of? Gas? A couple of hours of their own time? AT&T Stadium ticket prices have marginalized a significant number of fans for a long time. Converting and organizing that already existing dissatisfaction into public expression should not be THAT difficult. The weekly sight would prompt weekly questioning of Jones to explain fan disgruntlement. That sort of thing would wear on his narcissist nature.

Anything is possible but some things are farfetched. However, there are plausible alternatives. It is simply a matter of thinking outside the 'improbable' box.

While that would be fun, does anyone really care enough to do that? Why not wear bags on their heads? Do most really even care? And I am talking about the ones that do buy the tickets.

And what exactly would fans be protesting? Winning the East and being in the final four? The team has not been bad enough to protest with any effect. Fans didn't do it with three straight five win seasons, what would it take?

Cowboys fans are fans in spite of Booger, not because of him. Fans don't care who owns their team. I became a fan when Murchison owned the team and didn't know anything about him but found out later, he wasn't a stand up guy and did some pretty dbag things. Bright was not any better. The difference was they didn't inject themselves into everything to appease some overgrown ego about being a "star". They didn't want to be the face of the team and that is all Booger has ever wanted. He really is a pathetic caricature of a man.

So, whatchyagonnado? Keep ranting, OK, I'm down with that as I was one of the original ranters against him on the old site back when I had to argue the best owner/bad GM because some saw that as separate and only a few would agree the connection was the problem as that is the #1 job of the owner, hiring the football GM.

 

[DallasEast]

I like the way you are thinking here, although I think the NFL is such a legalized mafia they would probably stifle fans who show anti-Jerry signs by pressuring the TV networks not to show the signs.

Look at what the NFL did to run off Bob Costas. Regardless of whether any of us agree or disagree with his comments, the NFL basically crushed having an independent media when it pressured NBC to get rid of Costas because it didn’t like what he was saying about CTE. The NFL has sizable clout when it comes to their image and they have friends in high places they have no problem leaning on.

I love the Dallas Cowboys because of my lifelong family experiences, especially growing up. But nowadays, I love the Cowboys in spite of my disgust for our owner/GM and my complete disdain for the 31 other billionaire owners who are ruining pro football with their greed, hubris and fleecing of their fans.

No doubt the NFL would actively influence the networks to not show anything negative. However, the NFL can only bully the networks so far.

FOX, CBS, ABC and NBC are still essentially over-the-air broadcasters who answer their advertisers first and the NFL second. If negative publicity like fan dissatisfaction for the NFL's most disliked team (sorry New England) attracts more fans, it will net positive viewership. Positive viewership equates as justifiable and measurable increase billable opportunities for the networks.

Additionally, this is the era of social media. The NFL can bury something as hazy as DeflateGate (sorry again New England) but wide-scale public sentiment is totally different. The 'villain' of the story would be Jerry Jones, who has always been portrayed as such. The networks could easily maintain a running storyline of 'Top NFL Executive's Leadership Visibly Contested By Fans'. Networks run with far less every day.

The real question is how organized and energized the effort would be? 21st century patience is practically non-existent. The NFL can ride out a short-lived firestorm affecting only one of its 32 franchises and not even worry about pressuring the networks to do anything. The networks will simply move on to the next hot news item when picketing fans decrease in size outside the stadium and 'Jerry Step Down!' signs return to 'Go Cowboys' inside the stadium. Then, Jones will claim the dissatisfaction was only temporary and insinuate much of cowboyszone really does like how he does things because the networks are not capturing and broadcasting his fans' visible and public resentment for how he runs football operations...



Just. Like. Always.

/rant

 

[Redball Express]

What’s actually sad to me is fans haven’t made the Football Idiot more directly accountable.

Instead we’ve given him a pass for his early success and rewarded him thru the worst era in Cowboys Football.

It’s diificult for Jerry to grasp we aren’t happy when we’ve help make the Cowboys the wealthiest team on the planet.

Perhaps we are sending him the wrong message?

Being a fan is sort of powerless.

You are along for the ride.

It's sort of like a marrage.

In the beginning it is all wet and satisfying.

You wonder how you did without it.

You think it is going to go on and on making you happy.

Then things like habits and selfish decisions on both sides sets in and it changes.

After awhile things snowball and you want to change but change is hard and you delay it.

Then it gets worst and one day somebody walks up to you and serves you with divorce papers.

Now you are either upset or happy..depending.

No matter what..you assets are about to be divided.

Your friends are going to take sides and you are either branded as wise or a goat

There is little middle ground.

But you pickup the pieces and find a new mate or you go buy that condo in Florida and play golf.

I have done it all.

But I still like my life and I am still my biggest fan..win or lose.

That's what being a fan of this team is like.

Count on chsnge..

Count on you not being happy at times..

but you understand the process.

The fan defense rests.

 

[Diehardblues]

Being a fan is sort of powerless.

You are along for the ride.

It's sort of like a marrage.

In the beginning it is all wet and satisfying.

You wonder how you did without it.

You think it is going to go on and on making you happy.

Then things like habits and selfish decisions on both sides sets in and it changes.

After awhile things snowball and you want to change but change is hard and you delay it.

Then it gets worst and one day somebody walks up to you and serves you with divorce papers.

Now you are either upset or happy..depending.

No matter what..you assets are about to be divided.

Your friends are going to take sides and you are either branded as wise or a goat

There is little middle ground.

But you pickup the pieces and find a new mate or you go buy that condo in Florida and play golf.

I have done it all.

But I still like my life and I am still my biggest fan..win or lose.

That's what being a fan of this team is like.

Count on chsnge..

Count on you not being happy at times..

but you understand the process.

The fan defense rests.

I like to think of us as more of a cumalitive customer base. One that can bring change if we pull our resources together much like citizens in mainstream.

 

[DallasEast]

While that would be fun, does anyone really care enough to do that? Why not wear bags on their heads? Do most really even care? And I am talking about the ones that do buy the tickets.

And what exactly would fans be protesting? Winning the East and being in the final four? The team has not been bad enough to protest with any effect. Fans didn't do it with three straight five win seasons, what would it take?

Cowboys fans are fans in spite of Booger, not because of him. Fans don't care who owns their team. I became a fan when Murchison owned the team and didn't know anything about him but found out later, he wasn't a stand up guy and did some pretty dbag things. Bright was not any better. The difference was they didn't inject themselves into everything to appease some overgrown ego about being a "star". They didn't want to be the face of the team and that is all Booger has ever wanted. He really is a pathetic caricature of a man.

So, whatchyagonnado? Keep ranting, OK, I'm down with that as I was one of the original ranters against him on the old site back when I had to argue the best owner/bad GM because some saw that as separate and only a few would agree the connection was the problem as that is the #1 job of the owner, hiring the football GM.

Those were all excellent questions. I have discussed similar fan sentiment and/or commitment in the past--both here and beforehand on the Cowboys forum on A Site That Shall Not Be Named On CowboysZone!

Allow me to be perfectly clear about my own perspective--as I have always tried to be. I have always believed the odds of influencing Jones to remove himself football operations were, are, and shall always be tiny. But (again) nothing is IMpossible.

So I occasionally try steering impractical discussions about Jones towards discussions that are a BIT more plausible. CowboysZone serves as a necessary outlet for both repetitive unproductive complaining and completely impractical strategic conversations about Jones. CowboysZone lets folks vent. That is a good thing but it need not serve as the ONLY thing.

Discussion can evaluate practicalities, even when practical has a small chance in hell of ever becoming reality. On the other hand, there is a longstanding consistent question of whether discussion CAN actually be called discussion when the BASIS of the discussion has ZERO chance of fruition. Quite frankly, I wonder why those conversations continually hold high merit. Que sera sera.

 

[Diehardblues]

While that would be fun, does anyone really care enough to do that? Why not wear bags on their heads? Do most really even care? And I am talking about the ones that do buy the tickets.

And what exactly would fans be protesting? Winning the East and being in the final four? The team has not been bad enough to protest with any effect. Fans didn't do it with three straight five win seasons, what would it take?

Cowboys fans are fans in spite of Booger, not because of him. Fans don't care who owns their team. I became a fan when Murchison owned the team and didn't know anything about him but found out later, he wasn't a stand up guy and did some pretty dbag things. Bright was not any better. The difference was they didn't inject themselves into everything to appease some overgrown ego about being a "star". They didn't want to be the face of the team and that is all Booger has ever wanted. He really is a pathetic caricature of a man.

So, whatchyagonnado? Keep ranting, OK, I'm down with that as I was one of the original ranters against him on the old site back when I had to argue the best owner/bad GM because some saw that as separate and only a few would agree the connection was the problem as that is the #1 job of the owner, hiring the football GM.

Unfortunately what needs to be done most fans don’t have the energy or will power.

Well, some of us do but apparently there’s more waiting in the wings to fill our voids.

 

[Redball Express]

I like to think of us as more of a cumalitive customer base. One that can bring change if we pull our resources together much like citizens in mainstream.

Cumulative is correct.

You reminded me of a story.

Back when the Cowboys were winning SBs under Johnson in the 90s..

my dad had a stroke and was in the hospital.

Emmitt Smith was holding out and the Cowboys had lost their first 2 games that season.

My dad asked on his death bed if Emmitt had resigned?

I told him he had and was playing on Sunday,.

He was happy.

He had another stroke that night and passed.

I got to the hospital and stood over him crying and said..

"Dad, we were supposed to watch the game together today.."

Cumulative Fandom is correct.

 

[kskboys]

That's the bar, huh? I guess mediocrity is confused with excellence.

For the life of me I cannot comprehend how there is any defense left for Jerry. Mountains of evidence, irrefutable evidence that he's a terrible GM.