Cowboys FO may have fooled y'all / FO is spineless / FO needs to pull head out **mega-thread**

ESisback

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An answer to what question...help me understand what you mean.

Which one is it? Bad owner? Bad coach? Sub par roster? If we’re as bad as some claim, why aren’t we 5-11 every year?

I want a GM and a new HC too, but some folks are extreme about our shortcomings, and if you say anything, you’re a blind, gullible homer who’s satisfied with mediocrity. Where’s the middle ground?
 

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Which one is it? Bad owner? Bad coach? Sub par roster? If we’re as bad as some claim, why aren’t we 5-11 every year?

I want a GM and a new HC too, but some folks are extreme about our shortcomings, and if you say anything, you’re a blind, gullible homer who’s satisfied with mediocrity. Where’s the middle ground?
It’s bad owner who is responsible for everything after that. Honestly, we have made some good draft choices in the last few years. That’s been partially encouraging. But the owner/GM pretends he has a top notch coach and can’t understand why he hasn’t been lucky enough to go a SB for the last 23 years. That’s THE problem in a nutshell. Our top leader is a great businessman but a terrible football executive.
 

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Uhhhhh......he's not. He's an oilman.
Jerry played high school, then college ball, then bought the Cowboys 30 years ago. During that time, he’s been immersed in football—endless meetings with players, coaches, scouts, GM’s, other owners, and media people, and during that time he BECAME a football guy. We know all about the problems and the shortcomings—no need to do the laundry list for the 57,000th time. He had to learn SOMETHING, right? Think about your own profession. Say you’re a carpenter for 30 years, and some internet warrior says you don’t know diddly about woodworking—“he’s not a carpenter!”

What would YOU say?
 

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The problem with this is that you never sign anyone of value.

The problem is that these are champagne problems. Why? Who you want us to sign? Bobby Hart? Bobby Hart went to the Bengals. Why would you want that guy anyway?
 

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It’s bad owner who is responsible for everything after that. Honestly, we have made some good draft choices in the last few years. That’s been partially encouraging. But the owner/GM pretends he has a top notch coach and can’t understand why he hasn’t been lucky enough to go a SB for the last 23 years. That’s THE problem in a nutshell. Our top leader is a great businessman but a terrible football executive.

I’d say he’s been terrible at times, but some of it goes beyond what he does. Listen, I’m not defending Jerry. I’m just a firm believer in a collection of variables, the proverbial “Death by a 1,000 cuts”. I totally get the frustration, but is anyone seriously gonna give up on their team?
 

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I’d say he’s been terrible at times, but some of it goes beyond what he does. Listen, I’m not defending Jerry. I’m just a firm believer in a collection of variables, the proverbial “Death by a 1,000 cuts”. I totally get the frustration, but is anyone seriously gonna give up on their team?


This^^^.. Seriously..well put man
 

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Jerry played high school, then college ball, then bought the Cowboys 30 years ago. During that time, he’s been immersed in football—endless meetings with players, coaches, scouts, GM’s, other owners, and media people, and during that time he BECAME a football guy. We know all about the problems and the shortcomings—no need to do the laundry list for the 57,000th time. He had to learn SOMETHING, right? Think about your own profession. Say you’re a carpenter for 30 years, and some internet warrior says you don’t know diddly about woodworking—“he’s not a carpenter!”

What would YOU say?
I would say it took him long enough to realize you need more than special team drafts and over paying any big name free agent you can doesn't work. Hopefully we don't have to wait as long for him to realize only drafting for starters and using FA for backup/bridge players doesn't work either. Realize they compliment each other and select from both accordingly. Sometimes you may have to overpay in FA to get the last missing price or two. They have become too risk averse.
 

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In my sports life the championship teams always build through the draft. Then add vets to show the young core how to win. In saying this I think there fans who want the splash of signing free agents to brag to others or let their fantasy leagues rule how they apply their fandom. ET would be that ind of FA signing that would help this team get over the top. He has that championship pedigree that he can guide our young secondary. But since we are in a hard cap sport, and have core players to sign. The price has to be right.
 

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Jerry played high school, then college ball, then bought the Cowboys 30 years ago. During that time, he’s been immersed in football—endless meetings with players, coaches, scouts, GM’s, other owners, and media people, and during that time he BECAME a football guy. We know all about the problems and the shortcomings—no need to do the laundry list for the 57,000th time. He had to learn SOMETHING, right? Think about your own profession. Say you’re a carpenter for 30 years, and some internet warrior says you don’t know diddly about woodworking—“he’s not a carpenter!”

What would YOU say?

More like, if I was a surgical technician and assisted on 10k surgeries doen't make me qualified to be a surgeon. Just because I was around it doesn't mean that I'm qualified to do it, it takes specialized training going through classes, doing residencies and other training to become a surgeon.

Most "football" guys came up through the sport and coached on lower levels (high school, college, jr. college) and proved themselves and were promoted eventually to the NFL, in other words it was merit based. Stephen, Jerry or Jason got their jobs due to merit and thus is the reason that they'll never be respected for their knowledge or be know as "football" guys.
 

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I don't know that I agree with this in entirety but I do believe there are a few ways to add talent to your team and if you avoid 2 of the 3(F.A. and trades)
then you are only hurting the team.

That doesn't mean that you sign every big name F.A. regardless of price but you have to use all of the avenues available to you.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

The Pats, The Eagles and the Rams and at times so have the Seahawks. The Broncos did it and got their SB title.

Those have been the teams in the middle of chasing championships the past 5 season's.
 

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Jerry played high school, then college ball, then bought the Cowboys 30 years ago. During that time, he’s been immersed in football—endless meetings with players, coaches, scouts, GM’s, other owners, and media people, and during that time he BECAME a football guy. We know all about the problems and the shortcomings—no need to do the laundry list for the 57,000th time. He had to learn SOMETHING, right? Think about your own profession. Say you’re a carpenter for 30 years, and some internet warrior says you don’t know diddly about woodworking—“he’s not a carpenter!”

What would YOU say?

Yeah, but the proof is in the pudding. This pudding is sour.
 

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They should really show us and refuse to draft players this year as well. Then they could show us just how fiscally responsible they are by not over paying rookies.
 

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That’s not it at all. They got burned by big contracts and have had some success with the draft so they have decided to build mainly with the draft and supplement with lower priced free agents. They have faith in McClay with the draft and they want to keep their draft picks that pan out.

Spend big money on the guys you have the most information about - your own guys. Take fliers on guys in free agency cheap who may have upside. Fill holes in free agency. Work everything with an eye toward churning comp picks.

That's the long term, value play.

Because Jerry is the GM, he can take the long view on talent acquisition. Stephen probably takes a longer view. Other GMs mortgage the future trying to keep their jobs. This should be a long term advantage for us. I think it has turned the roster around. We'll just have to see if they have the continued patience for it.
 

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Stephen and Jerry Jones are still trying to prove to the world that they are "football" guys. So much so that they have resorted to trying to fool the rest of the football world.

The reason the Cowboys have be inactive during free agency the last 5 years or so is because it gives the illusion that they are being calculated, smart, conservative, rational and financially responsible when in actuality they just don't know how to build a team using the draft and free agency. They Jones's have figured that since they don't know how to evaluate players from other teams then they'll just pass on them and saying that the player price was too high which allows them not to make on a player and run the risk of being ridiculed.

The problem with this is that you never sign anyone of value.
Bro, you start a thread about the Cowboys front office and how they run their business stating they don't have you fooled, yet here you are still following their business and supporting their product? If you didn't care and supposedly weren't fooled, you simply would stop following/supporting them and simply not post on a Dallas Cowboys fan forum about anything about the team, its business or front office ownership. The bottom line is that YOU DO CARE, thus YOU ARE FOOLED according to your own logic.

:laugh::flagwave::popcorn:
 

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Spend big money on the guys you have the most information about - your own guys. Take fliers on guys in free agency cheap who may have upside. Fill holes in free agency. Work everything with an eye toward churning comp picks.

That's the long term, value play.

Because Jerry is the GM, he can take the long view on talent acquisition. Stephen probably takes a longer view. Other GMs mortgage the future trying to keep their jobs. This should be a long term advantage for us. I think it has turned the roster around. We'll just have to see if they have the continued patience for it.

Patience? How long does it take to build a roster? 10 years?

Jerry and Stephen's plan seems to be let's just build a decent roster so we don't totally stink but not take the steps to build a great, SB winning roster.

Here's another problem with looking "long term"........... when you finally fill some holes through the draft, you have then seen another position get weaker, and then you address that and develop it and by the time you reap those benefits, another position or area needs help and the cycle just continues. Case in point, look at the OL. Smith is showing signs of deteriorating with a bad back, Frederick is an unknown coming off an auto-immune disease. In a couple of years, we may have to revamp the OL again when we probably should have built a super bowl caliber roster to take advantage of what was the best OL in their prime.

Essentially, the Cowboys plan is based largely on luck. Build a decent, but not elite roster and hope you get lucky in a SB run.
 

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All those Super Bowls in the past 23 years really showed the world how great the Jones' are at building championship rosters.
 

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That’s not it at all. They got burned by big contracts and have had some success with the draft so they have decided to build mainly with the draft and supplement with lower priced free agents. They have faith in McClay with the draft and they want to keep their draft picks that pan out.
and if we had better coaching, it would be a successful plan. Not saying we shouldn't target a few difference makers but when the $'s are this far outta whack, I can't criticize letting them sign elsewhere.
 

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Stephen is too scarred to make the wrong/ bad deal. He hides behind the cap as being the reason he is frugal. Cap hell is a myth and the eagles prove it because they always start being near the cap but find ways to manipulate it. The eagles traded Bennet for picks then signed a DT for 10/year . Stephen is not smart enough or have the cohones to attempt such a thing. Not saying the eagles got better but they at least try to.
The Eagles dont over value their players like Dallas. We hold onto our players past their value. Our players get old, hang on while keeping a younger player that's needs developing on the bench. When we do make a trade, we never get over like a fat cat like others teams. We never win big with trades.
 

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In my sports life the championship teams always build through the draft. Then add vets to show the young core how to win. In saying this I think there fans who want the splash of signing free agents to brag to others or let their fantasy leagues rule how they apply their fandom. ET would be that ind of FA signing that would help this team get over the top. He has that championship pedigree that he can guide our young secondary. But since we are in a hard cap sport, and have core players to sign. The price has to be right.

If the price was right, he would be a Cowboy today. His asking price is not close to being right so forget ET.
 
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