Is Dak worth more than Foles 4 yr 88 million?

[cowboyec]

I'll take #4.
he's a keeper.
pay the man.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, of course. All QB's do. Not sure what your point is.

the point was that he needs a lot of help, like a #1 WR (or two) a #1 TE, a top 3 OL, a great RB and a great D...so he can drive the bus to victory and fans claim he is the goat

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Maybe not as much as a Romo friendly roster.

What QB doesn't need help?

as much as dak needs help? a lot of it......

 

[kskboys]

the point was that he needs a lot of help, like a #1 WR (or two) a #1 TE, a top 3 OL, a great RB and a great D...so he can drive the bus to victory and fans claim he is the goat

Oh, I didn't realize you were getting into the silly Dak arguments. Sorry, dude, not going to bite. I'm in the middle w/ Dak until I see more. You guys go round and round w/ the same arguments and responses every time!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is sort of comical, though.

 

[408Cowboy]

the point was that he needs a lot of help, like a #1 WR (or two) a #1 TE, a top 3 OL, a great RB and a great D...so he can drive the bus to victory and fans claim he is the goat

Does it matter who the QB is as long as we win a SB? Does it matter if it's the offense or defense that paves the way? Does it matter if the stat sheet fails to amaze and break SB records? No. It. Does. Not.

 

[Captain-Crash]

give him 12.5 and a couple crappy commercial deals and throw in a squirt gun. you know what he likes.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes. If Dak hit the open market, he’d net way more than 4/88.

I do think Jacksonville bidding against themselves made the deal better for them. Plus he's already 30

But really, if Dak was on the open market today, what team would bid that much for him?
Right before the draft, QB needy teams drafting early are often more optimistic that they can land their franchise QB ona rookie deal and build around him.

Honest question.

What team would go all in on Dak right now?
Miami maybe?

 

[Mobinvans]

One QB won a Superbowl....One QB hasnt came close

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

the point was that he needs a lot of help, like a #1 WR (or two) a #1 TE, a top 3 OL, a great RB and a great D...so he can drive the bus to victory and fans claim he is the goat

But this has already been proven wrong over and over and over and over again

How long do you plan to keep spewing this dumb statement?

 

[Captain-Crash]

the point was that he needs a lot of help, like a #1 WR (or two) a #1 TE, a top 3 OL, a great RB and a great D...so he can drive the bus to victory and fans claim he is the goat

Yeah nobody was crying about needing the best offensive line in the nfl. best wr's, best te, best defense in the nfl..lmao hell bring back dilfer if he can get the best team in the nfl...

 

[SSoup]

Dak is easily better (and younger) than Foles. So, yes, he's worth more than what the open market says Foles is worth. Of course, he's not on the open market yet (and almost surely won't be until he's entering his age-29 season, at the earliest), so there's some wiggle room on all of this.

Of course, the cap rises and new contracts get bigger and bigger, establishing a higher bar for what a starting QB is worth, in the next 3 years... so Dak has leverage too because his extension gets more and more expensive the longer we wait (barring a career-derailing scenario like Robert Griffin experienced). Lots of premium position (like QB) contracts start out as "oh my god, this is a world-ending contract" and then a few years down the road, people are like: "Ha, look at teams paying even more for worse guys now; that team is so glad they locked him up sooner rather than later."

If we went to Dak and said, "we'll tear up your current deal and sign you to a 4 year, 88 million dollar deal," maybe he takes it just because he likes the security of having that deal in hand and he doesn't want to wait until the franchise tags kick in to start making big time money. (Though I suspect it would be more like Foles deal *plus* some very rich incentives based on personal or team achievements, allowing his agent to crow about the puffed-up version of the deal which may or may not ever be realized.)

Maybe he decides he'd rather lock in a new deal now before the Joneses dampen his value with any dumb personnel decisions or crippling coaching hires. The hilariously bad o-line depth and disinterest in giving him weapons to work with at WR and TE already temporarily dampened his value artificially. He might want to sign up for an immediate payday before the Jones brain-trust screws him again.

Or maybe his agents tell him, "Sign the extension and avoid the contract bickering. It'll just make you less liked, and we fully plan to ***** you out for as much endorsement income as possible, which depends on you being as well-liked as humanly possible. Plus, a prominent, likable former Cowboy gets to walk into a lucrative second career as a broadcaster. So let's stay likable and make sure you're raking in easy money for decades even after you quit playing."

Of course, tearing up his current deal and replacing it with Foles' 4-year deal, means the earliest he'd be able to hit the open market is entering his age-32 season (following 4 years under contract plus a couple of franchise tag seasons). Maybe that's a deal-breaker to him and his agent.

Or maybe Dak actually sees the upside of that because it means he can hit the open market while he's still got some gas left in his tank, either to strike it rich with one last big contract, or maybe he wants the option to hand-pick a new team to go chase a title in the twilight of his career if he's still ringless after suffering through the Jerry Jones Festival of Incompetence for the first 8-9 years of his career.

 

[Diehardblues]

the point was that he needs a lot of help, like a #1 WR (or two) a #1 TE, a top 3 OL, a great RB and a great D...so he can drive the bus to victory and fans claim he is the goat

This isn’t about whether we as fans are All In on Dak.

It’s about if the Cowboys are. Which all indications is they are then should they pay him now potentially saving money and the drama attached next year?

And Foles contract appears to me a reasonable measurement offer for Dak considering the given.

 

[ItzKelz]

Thats a pretty good number to use as a barometer.

Initially I thought Bortyles 3 years 50 million was a good place to start for Dak but since he’s being released by Jags for Foles that might not be a good measuring stick.

If Dak was a FA would he receive this type of Foles deal ? I’m not sure..

Thoughts ...

If Carr is making 25 mil a year.....Im just saying

 

[Captain-Crash]

pay him big money, i want to see him play behind phil costa.

 

[UpNorth]

That's also not the discussion.


Dak will be paid. So, wouldn't it be better to offer him a contract similar to Foles right now rather than pay him 30 mil/season?

I would let him walk

But yes obviously giving him the smallest amount of money would always be the answer. Seems like an obvious and dumb discussion to even have tbh

 

[Diehardblues]

If Carr is making 25 mil a year.....Im just saying

Who’s value do you think would be more in FA?

I think most would rank Carr ahead of Foles and Dak. Before the Raiders team was dismantled Carr was considered one of the up an coming prolific QB’s in the league. Not sure his value has depreciated that much. The Raiders have dealt away several around him but not him.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

pay him big money, i want to see him play behind phil costa.

We already had him playing with big money allocated to QB in 2016. How'd he do?

 

[Diehardblues]

I would let him walk

But yes obviously giving him the smallest amount of money would always be the answer. Seems like an obvious and dumb discussion to even have tbh

But yet here you are?

It’s a discussion that revolves around the given that the Cowboys think Dak is their guy. Not whether we believe or not.

And should they pay him now or wait until next year when salaries are certain to escalate. If they pay him now is the Foles deal a good measurement?

 

[ItzKelz]

Who’s value do you think would be more in FA?

I think most would rank Carr ahead of Foles and Dak. Before the Raiders team was dismantled Carr was considered one of the up an coming prolific QB’s in the league. Not sure his value has depreciated that much. The Raiders have dealt away several around him but not him.

Dak is clearly better than both of these QBs. Dak found a way to have success; despite a OC that did not know how to maximize his talent. We've seen what Foles looked like with out the right OC; beyond terrible....so much so he was about to retire.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I can't wait for Wince's next contract........as "great" as I hear he is he deserves to hit the 40-45M per season level.......not bad pay for a part-time gig.