I re-watched the Philly and N.O games last night

[Killerinstinct]

games last night. First of all, how great is it that you can just go on youtube and re-watch an entire game.. Awesome.


Dak is no 30 mil a year QB. Not even close. He is a tough guy and I like him and he may develop into a really good QB someday but there is no way I would pay him the figures being floated around right now.

 

[Stash]

games last night. First of all, how great is it that you can just go on youtube and re-watch an entire game.. Awesome.


Dak is no 30 mil a year QB. Not even close. He is a tough guy and I like him and he may develop into a really QB someday but there is no way I would pay him the figures being floated around right now.

Take a look at those top 6 QB contracts. The majority of them, the team's that are in them would love to get out if they could.

That's a lesson to be learned. A cautionary tale of what NOT TO DO.

But why do I get the feeling that this team will yet again be late to realize what everyone else is learning? And they'll not only rush to overpay, but rush to overpay earlier than they ever needed to.

 

[Ken]

games last night. First of all, how great is it that you can just go on youtube and re-watch an entire game.. Awesome.


Dak is no 30 mil a year QB. Not even close. He is a tough guy and I like him and he may develop into a really good QB someday but there is no way I would pay him the figures being floated around right now.

So you went back and watched two WIns against good playoff teams and this was your takeaway?

I mean, forget about the fact that he had a combined 108 qb rating in those game and complete 80% of his passes..... LORDY.
Gotcha!

 

[WillieBeamen]

All will be forgiven as far as Stephens penny pinching in free agency, if he does the same when it comes to paying dak


Ima be pissed off they are having a hard time getting a deal done with Tank, to turn around and willingly give Dak $30m. Hes worth a Bortles-like contract, at the mac

 

[dckid]

Agree 100%. Don't pay him early unless it is team friendly. Dak is a good above average QB.
As I have posted before, process over results. The FO is a bit delusional to think we can just stick with our guys and not go out and upgrade the team via Free Agency. When we were 3-5 last year and traded for Cooper not many people were happy with that trade. The FO was not expecting to go 10-6 and win the division. If we ended up giving Oakland a top 8 pick we would look very stupid right now. Luckily ( and i stress this) we played well got some breaks and won the division. The problem is our PROCESS. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
We are not building our team like a smart organization does. We should be looking to build the team not only through the draft, but FA, better coaching, better analytics. We do not have a plan for sustained winning.

 

[Jake]

Take a look at those top 6 QB contracts. The majority of them, the team's that are in them would love to get out if they could.

That's a lesson to be learned. A cautionary tale of what NOT TO DO.

But why do I get the feeling that this team will yet again be late to realize what everyone else is learning? And they'll not only rush to overpay, but rush to overpay earlier than they ever needed to.

That's my issue. The OMG, Dak is the worst QB ever crowd are over the top but I don't see the urgency to pay/extend him this year. There's time, so why not use it?

The reason, of course, is because Jerry is already convinced Dak's the man regardless of what we think.

 

[Stash]

All will be forgiven as far as Stephens penny pinching in free agency, if he does the same when it comes to paying dak


Ima be pissed off they are having a hard time getting a deal done with Tank, to turn around and willingly give Dak $30m. Hes worth a Bortles-like contract, at the mac

It would be a disgrace. On all fronts. Not only can't you pay your most-deserving player, but you're going to follow that up by rushing to overpay a guy you don't have to?

Yeah, Dumb and Dumber right there.

I'll curse them if that happens.

 

[BigCatMonaco]

The game where he threw for damn near 500 yards and 3 TDs, and won in overtime vs the defending super bowl champs nonetheless made you feel that he wasn’t worth paying that?

What about the giants game week 17, or the first playoff game of his career where he went toe to toe with Rodgers in lambeau.Even the Seattle game, where he sacirificed his body to get that huge 3rd and 14. His passing numbers are more than adequate. His ability to make you pay on the ground and his intangibles/willingness to win are what makes him special.

 

[BigCatMonaco]

That's my issue. The OMG, Dak is the worst QB ever crowd are over the top but I don't see the urgency to pay/extend him this year. There's time, so why not use it?

The reason, of course, is because Jerry is already convinced Dak's the man regardless of what we think.

The reasoning being that, if he does what he did his career thus far again, someone is gonna pay him even more next year once more QB deals
Go down. The price is never gonna decrease anymore.

 

[Stash]

That's my issue. The OMG, Dak is the worst QB ever crowd are over the top but I don't see the urgency to pay/extend him this year. There's time, so why not use it?

The reason, of course, is because Jerry is already convinced Dak's the man regardless of what we think.

Proving he's a stubborn idiot who has no idea what he's doing.

If I'm not getting a discount, and that means below the bad deals teams signed with Cousins, Carr, and Stafford, I have no incentive whatsoever not to play out this year and tag him in 2020. None.

 

[WillieBeamen]

The game where he threw for damn near 500 yards and 3 TDs, and won in overtime vs the defending super bowl champs nonetheless made you feel that he wasn’t worth paying that?

What about the giants game week 17, or the first playoff game of his career where he went toe to toe with Rodgers in lambeau.Even the Seattle game, where he sacirificed his body to get that huge 3rd and 14. His passing numbers are more than adequate. His ability to make you pay on the ground and his intangibles/willingness to win are what makes him special.

And I will counter with these games as reasons not to pay him:

Indy
Carolina
Denver
Chargers
Rams both times
First two Seahawk games
Texans

 

[Stash]

The reasoning being that, if he does what he did his career thus far again, someone is gonna pay him even more next year once more QB deals
Go down. The price is never gonna decrease anymore.

That's a load of crap. The Super Bowl MVP for the champs you just mentioned in your prior post just signed for $22 million a year and incentives.

That number is down, not up.

Some teams, and some people are actually learning lessons from these bloated contracts. Not you obviously, and likely not this team when they insist on overpaying as well.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

He’s only played 3 years, he could still get better. Most QBs don’t really transcend until years 6-7. Brady, Peyton, Young, Rodgers

 

[BigCatMonaco]

72 Td
26 int
11 rush TD
63.4% completion
207 yards per game

67 Td
25 int
18 rush Td
66.1% completion
228 yards per game


Thats Russell Wilson’s first three years vs Daks.
Is he worth the money?

 

[ksg811]

That's my issue. The OMG, Dak is the worst QB ever crowd are over the top but I don't see the urgency to pay/extend him this year. There's time, so why not use it?

The reason, of course, is because Jerry is already convinced Dak's the man regardless of what we think.

There is urgency. The QB market sees roughly 10% inflation year over year. Waiting a year not only costs you that 10% in contract terms, but you also lose the cap benefits of an extension compared to a FA re-signing, which is roughly $5 million AAV on the total contract.

If the FO is set that Dak is the guy and they're determined to pay him, the time to do so is now.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's a load of crap. The Super Bowl MVP for the champs you just mentioned in your prior post just signed for $22 million a year and incentives.

That number is down, not up.

Some teams, and some people are actually learning lessons from these bloated contracts. Not you obviously, and likely not this team when they insist on overpaying as well.

Because Foles is a flash in the pan, he hasn't shown any consistent play at the position. Sure he made a run 2 years ago but he hasn't done anything outside of that. He couldn't even keep the job after he won the Superbowl and everybody knows how he played with the Rams.

 

[Verdict]

Take a look at those top 6 QB contracts. The majority of them, the team's that are in them would love to get out if they could.

That's a lesson to be learned. A cautionary tale of what NOT TO DO.

But why do I get the feeling that this team will yet again be late to realize what everyone else is learning? And they'll not only rush to overpay, but rush to overpay earlier than they ever needed to.

That is a legitimate concern. Teams are approaching the QB situation in the wrong way. They are desperate for a typical QB so if they think they might have one (even if he is a counterfeit) they pay just based on the belief. Even journeyman QBs are getting paid.

It is better to draft multiple QBs, create competition, and make the QB worry about his spot rather than anointing him as the next best thing and bowing down to him. If QB really is THE most important position on the field why wouldn't you be throwing a dart at it every year hoping to hit pay dirt.

If the Cowboys don't think Rush or White can be THE guy they should jettison both this offseason and add two or three more QBs in the mix.

 

[Stash]

72 Td
26 int
11 rush TD
63.4% completion
207 yards per game

67 Td
25 int
18 rush Td
66.1% completion
228 yards per game


Thats Russell Wilson’s first three years vs Daks.
Is he worth the money?

Shouldn't there be a Super Bowl Championship on Wilson's resume?

Yeah, it matters.

 

[Stash]

Because Foles is a flash in the pan, he hasn't shown any consistent play at the position. Sure he made a run 2 years ago but he hasn't done anything outside of that. He couldn't even keep the job after he won the Superbowl and everybody knows how he played with the Rams.

How did everybody play with Jeff Fisher's Rams?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

72 Td
26 int
11 rush TD
63.4% completion
207 yards per game

67 Td
25 int
18 rush Td
66.1% completion
228 yards per game


Thats Russell Wilson’s first three years vs Daks.
Is he worth the money?

You can't give out facts now, that's not how this works with Dak