Kellen Moore. The key to Garrett remaining the HC?

[CouchCoach]

It is indeed a mystery. We are not going to extend your contract; however, we are going to give you a neophyte OC to make you feel more secure. Never seen one like this before.

Add to that the embarrassment of crawfishing that Garrett had to do over the Linehan situation and if that isn't enough, add the comment Booger make about Garrett would have 5 HC offers if he was available. And I wonder if two of those offers would not be from NYG and WAS? Garrett has history with Mara.

It's so easy to lay the root of the problem on the HC but with this team and the rumors of involvement, doesn't that make you wonder about what HC would take the job and how much power he would have? We speak of the culture of the team yet we really do not know what that is.

However, I cannot put my finger on the problem. And the team has won the division two of the last three seasons so exactly what is the problem? Change the HC and solve the problem? Change the OC and do that? Some seem to lay all of the QB problems on the coaches and I have yet to see one of them miss an open receiver.

Garrett and his staff, yes, even including everybody's darling Richard, are responsible for this team being 3-5 and then responsible for this team going 8-2. Your level of dissatisfaction seems to depend on which of those two you focus. I am not a Garrett fan but I cannot not give the man credit for that turnaround and that success they did achieve. But then, I never thought this team was as good as LA, NO or CHI so they finished exactly where they should have for me.

I do not see how anyone could watch this team play and think they were anything more than an 11-7 team. The talent did not exceed the coaching. Together they dug a 3-5 hole and then climbed out of that hole together.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Please......... Moore is nothing more than a scapegoat. No one expects him to do well, and when the season goes to hell he will get the blame and the pink slip while JG slides by yet again. Jerry set it up this way on purpose.

Jerry told us Garrett was a coaching genius too. I don't believe anything until I see it myself.

 

[Techsass]

This off-season is shrouded in just enough mystery to keep me coming back for more.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I have higher expectations for the team than you do, Roy. I’m the one putting the emphasis on the actual issues in Dallas.

I don’t mind being in the minority on a topic like this. It’s more important to me to actually be right than it is to be part of a mob.

How are do you have higher expectations then I do if you think the Happless Howdy Doody is a great coach?

Heck, in your 2nd sentence you even proclaim that Garrett isn't an "actual issue" on the Cowboys.

Then in your third sentence you admit to the entire board EXACTLY why you continue to stick up for the hapless Garrett: "Its more important for me to actually be right".

Being right comes secondary to team success.

 

[Idgit]

How are do you have higher expectations then I do if you think the Happless Howdy Doody is a great coach?

Heck, in your 2nd sentence you even proclaim that Garrett isn't an "actual issue" on the Cowboys.

Then in your third sentence you admit to the entire board EXACTLY why you continue to stick up for the hapless Garrett: "Its more important for me to actually be right".

Being right comes secondary to team success.

This isn’t an actual argument not rather a string of misreadings and mischaracterizations with emoticons sprinkled in randomly. I can’t reply to that rationally, unfortunately.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This isn’t an actual argument not rather a string of misreadings and mischaracterizations with emoticons sprinkled in randomly. I can’t reply to that rationally, unfortunately.

You cant respond at all because your response would get a good laugh. Even avid Garrett supporters over the years have all turned on him. You are the only one left. The entire fanbase wants him outta here.
Lame duck coach, even Jones wont extend him until the end of the season.

But by all means, keep telling us how great he is. Its always good fun around here when you do.

 

[Idgit]

You cant respond at all because your response would get a good laugh. Even avid Garrett supporters over the years have all turned on him. You are the only one left. The entire fanbase wants him outta here.
Lame duck coach, even Jones wont extend him until the end of the season.

But by all means, keep telling us how great he is. Its always good fun around here when you do.

You keep saying “we” and “us.” Is there a mouse in your pocket? Because you don’t speak for the giant brainless anti-Garrett mob, Roy. You’re a dude on the internet who exaggerates wildly, has strong mostly-baseless opinions, and who has very little idea what he’s talking about when it comes to football. That’s it.

 

[Alexander]

But by all means, keep telling us how great he is. Its always good fun around here when you do.

It honestly is a good thing. Mainly, because the Mohicans are dwindling in number.

 

[CouchCoach]

You cant respond at all because your response would get a good laugh. Even avid Garrett supporters over the years have all turned on him. You are the only one left. The entire fanbase wants him outta here.
Lame duck coach, even Jones wont extend him until the end of the season.

But by all means, keep telling us how great he is. Its always good fun around here when you do.

In order for a coach to be lame duck, it must be certain that this season is his last and that is not the case. Just because they didn't extend him doesn't mean they won't.

What would throw a wonderful kink into this would be for Garrett to hook up with another team and not even give them the chance to extend him.

 

[Idgit]

It honestly is a good thing. Mainly, because the Mohicans are dwindling in number.

Are they, though? There’s obviously a very vocal anti-coach and anti-QB minority on any sports board when a team hasn’t won a recent championship. That’s the mob being unsatisfied, and it’s cartoon anger.

The players and coaches and team management all are still fans of Jason Garrett. Does it really matter so much what bunch of cartoons think? It doesn’t to me.

 

[Alexander]

Are they, though? There’s obviously a very vocal anti-coach and anti-QB minority on any sports board when a team hasn’t won a recent championship. That’s the mob being unsatisfied, and it’s cartoon anger.

The players and coaches and team management all are still fans of Jason Garrett. Does it really matter so much what bunch of cartoons think? It doesn’t to me.

Unless a bunch of Pro-Garrett zealots are hiding "in the shadows" waiting for a breakthrough, yes in terms of the fandom.

It may be cartoonish to you, but frankly seeing how a team doesn't tank as indicative of success gets you Marvin Lewis. Eventually, that should not be good enough.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If this team doesn't win the NFC east, and get to the NFC championship game, the house cleaning will commence!

I said that in 1997-2018 but this time we mean it!

 

[Idgit]

Unless a bunch of Pro-Garrett zealots are hiding "in the shadows" waiting for a breakthrough, yes in terms of the fandom.

It may be cartoonish to you, but frankly seeing how a team doesn't tank as indicative of success gets you Marvin Lewis. Eventually, that should not be good enough.

I wouldn’t dispute what the majority of fans think about Garrett. Only that it matters.

 

[Redball Express]

I have been saying all along that I don't think Garrett is on the hot seat unless he botches this season up horribly. I really don't buy into the narrative that he has to win or else this year.

The guy has won 3 out of 5 NFCE Chanpionshios and the team as a whole is getting better every year. The only "bad" year we have had under Garrett was the year Romo went out and we had Cassell, etc as QB.

There have been a few tea leaves that indicate that may have changed, but I'm not buying in to that idea yet.

I agree.

The team Garrett inherited was not a good team.

We thought we were but obviously we over-buy into our own hype too much.

Because we believed ourselves better than we were..

not enough was done to elevate results.

Now we have changed how we draft..

finally gained an identity running the ball which started when DeMarco Murray was here..

And now our defensive identity has to materialize before we will succeed.

Garrett is not responsible for all these agendas.

And at some point..this team has to swallow a big disappointment before it rolls it's sleeves up and punches it's competition in the nose.

Not sure when that is going to happen.

 

[charron]

Garrett is clearly caught in strange place as a HC. How much power does he actually have? He can't sign or fire his own coaches or players. You have 2 polar opposite as owners who can't agree on how they do business. You also have a meeting owner that allows players to act foolish and the other a cheapskate (though props he signed Quinn). His best asset is keeping these players going hard and not giving up. Under better ownership he might be viewed entirely different. We might find out if things don't work out this year.

 

[Alexander]

Garrett is clearly caught in strange place as a HC. How much power does he actually have? He can't sign or fire his own coaches or players. You have 2 polar opposite as owners who can't agree on how they do business. You also have a meeting owner that allows players to act foolish and the other a cheapskate (though props he signed Quinn). His best asset is keeping these players going hard and not giving up. Under better ownership he might be viewed entirely different. We might find out if things don't work out this year.

That might actually be true. But he is pushing the envelope now.

Will be tough for any coach to succeed in Dallas and he is pretty much the most comfortable guy that Jones has ever had.

I happen to believe that the best coach is someone who can push Jones (both) out of the way.

That will be hard.

Take that back, impossible.

And yes, I do realize why a lot of fans support Garrett in the hopes he can break the mold.

 

[Risen Star]

Garrett is clearly caught in strange place as a HC. How much power does he actually have? He can't sign or fire his own coaches or players. You have 2 polar opposite as owners who can't agree on how they do business. You also have a meeting owner that allows players to act foolish and the other a cheapskate (though props he signed Quinn). His best asset is keeping these players going hard and not giving up. Under better ownership he might be viewed entirely different. We might find out if things don't work out this year.

This could have been a good post until you pretended Stephen co-owns the team.

 

[CouchCoach]

Garrett is clearly caught in strange place as a HC. How much power does he actually have? He can't sign or fire his own coaches or players. You have 2 polar opposite as owners who can't agree on how they do business. You also have a meeting owner that allows players to act foolish and the other a cheapskate (though props he signed Quinn). His best asset is keeping these players going hard and not giving up. Under better ownership he might be viewed entirely different. We might find out if things don't work out this year.

Who says they're polar opposites and I wouldn't call Son cheap, they do butt up against the cap on a regular basis. Cheap was what Bill Bidwell used to be and personally brought about the rule of how much of the cap must be spent. I think Booger & Son are on the same page the vast majority of the time, the one exception was Manziel.

But you are right, Garrett is in a place no other coach is in and that alone makes me wonder if they'll ever let a coach have power again. As long as Booger's breathing, he'll bear those scars that Parcells power gave him. He will never subrogate that sizable ego to another HC again.

 

[charron]

That might actually be true. But he is pushing the envelope now.

Will be tough for any coach to succeed in Dallas and he is pretty much the most comfortable guy that Jones has ever had.

I happen to believe that the best coach is someone who can push Jones (both) out of the way.

That will be hard.

Take that back, impossible.

And yes, I do realize why a lot of fans support Garrett in the hopes he can break the mold.

You can't push the owner anywhere. Kraft allows bill to run the show but retains the right of an owner to do As he pleases.

 

[charron]

This could have been a good post until you pretended Stephen co-owns the team.

Maybe should have said owner in waiting. The crypt keeper will one-day retire permanently, leaving Stephen in charge. The good news is we then will have 1 solitary voice calling all the shots.