Where would you rank Dak?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You can call it whatever the hell you want. 29 total TD, 4 INT and the #1 seed in the NFC was an OUTSTANDING rookie year... the best in NFL history, in fact.

Hahahaha Zeke “ran us to victory”? What league have you been watching? Since when do RBs win games on their own? Would Emmitt have won without Aikman? Why didn’t Barry Sanders even come CLOSE to winning anything? Why were the Giants so bad despite Saquon’s great rookie year?

Your perception of 2018 is hilarious. When did we have a great OL??? They were average without Frederick and with Martin/Tyron banged up as well. Ranked 14th by PFF.

LOL saying Zeke and Cooper are the reason we won is like saying Emmitt and Irvin led us to greatness and not giving Aikman any credit. Why is QB the most critical position for 31 teams but NOT the Cowboys?

83 TD, 27 INT through 3 seasons while winning 2/3 of his games, plus a playoff game. What kind of moron thinks that’s what an “average bus driver QB” does?

You’re close in that I’ll bring up his contract, but I won’t say “deal with it.” I’ll invite you to cry about it all you want. You deserve the sadness because you’re a jealous know-nothing who has personal issues with your favorite football team’s starting QB.

Dak’s winning and you’re losing at life. Cry about it! Bottle up those SWEET tears and send ‘em my way!

couple of contradictory items right off the bat.

first you credit Dak for the victories, best in NFL history you say...

then you turn around and discredit Zeke for any wins...

so in your own words, Dak gets credit for all the wins. and Zeke doesn't because its a team sport or RBs don't count.

so its simple....Dak without Zeke has a 4-3 record.....

and this past year alone, when Zeke has over 100 total yards...cowboys were 8-1, when he didn't we were 2-7.....just sayin that Dak doesn't do much without Zeke performing at a high level

and to your point...just sayin....if the OL was average, so was Dak. he was average middle of the pack QB....which goes back to the original argument, he needs a very strong supporting cast to be able to lead the team to victory. his leadership abilities are good for that...... because he doesn't elevate and lift the players around him....he needs them to lift him...

and just like a typical Dak lover.... the go to move these days is "contract" and deal with it.... it never fails, its like clockwork with you dak lovers.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But usually he’s busy choking

hopefully Dak can choke his way to the superbowl and put us at the cusp of winning...I take that choke any day of the week compared to choke we had against the Rams

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Alot of you are calling Dak mediocre and middle of the pack. I think the team saw the OC as mediocre. Of course people like you think you know more then the team. People like you and view my posts and think these are my opinions of the team. They arent, those that have read my posts of the past know i rarely post what i think but recapp what the team is doing. And try to put a litttle bit of my opinion on why they might against people who think just because they can play madden, they can run the franchise.

so do dak lovers start lining up the excuses for summer of 2020? there is no linehan.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak is somewhere in the mid to late teens and thats because he stacked with talent around him. Thats where the debate comes in. Where would he be ranked on another team with lesser talent like the dolphins.

• 3,885 passing yards ranks 15th.
  
• 22 passing tds ranks 16th
• 8 int ranks 8th
  
• QBR of 57.7 ranks 17th

Your ranking system just shows how far off you are on properly analyzing QB's. So basically you took last years numbers ONLY and used that? Which doesnt take into account his other two years or the type of offense that he is in.

However, I notice you didnt include his rushing numbers or rushing TD's which will be top 3. Then you dont mention his 4th quarter and overtime comeback wins which is #1 in the NFL.

The of course there is the leadership/win factor for a QB where he is also near the top of the NFL in his 3 years.

Pro bowls, rookie of the year honors, playoffs, team wins, playoff wins, ect.....ect.....

 

[Captain-Crash]

I like this quote, " if you don't like him find another team" *takes my ball and goes home*

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Your ranking system just shows how far off you are on properly analyzing QB's. So basically you took last years numbers ONLY and used that? Which doesnt take into account his other two years or the type of offense that he is in.

However, I notice you didnt include his rushing numbers or rushing TD's which will be top 3. Then you dont mention his 4th quarter and overtime comeback wins which is #1 in the NFL.

The of course there is the leadership/win factor for a QB where he is also near the top of the NFL in his 3 years.

Pro bowls, rookie of the year honors, playoffs, team wins, playoff wins, ect.....ect.....

most people look at QBs passing stats....that's what your QB is expected to do. no QB is expected to run you to the playoffs, thus rushing stats are secondary in measuring how good a QB really is.

the 4th QB comebacks are meaningless in measuring a QB and his effectiveness as a passer. there are so many factors that go into it....by the same token, we can say he was #1 in putting the team in a losing position....!!! perspective....and again it has nothing to do with passing ability....

and I agree, he has some of the intangibles you look for in a QB...the leadership, the drive or what some people call the it factor....

probowls are totally meaningless....last year, several NFC QBs passed on playing in the probowl and Dak got invited.... so really...do we want to use that as a measure...

as a passer, he is average. as a leader he ranks among the top, but that's going to be a long debate, as you can't really rank leaderhip, so we can just say he has it.

he has also been beneficiary of a lot. 2016, played behind one of the greatest OLs ever. had some good talent around him and Zeke over 2000 total yards.... that's a very nice supporting cast. 2017, he showed a lot of weaknesses and couldn't get much done without zeke. and he totally fell apart when the OL couldn't give him the protection he needs (compare that to Wilson who has had similar crappy OLs for the past few years).

last year, I think it was a total team effort. his overall passing was still average. he had arguably a top 5 WR, a good OL, a top RB and a top 5 defense to pull out a few games for him....

 

[Brax]

Specifically.


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Where do you slot him and who above and below?

And if he’s outside the top ten by all means show your work as well.

“Top ten” , “Top fifteen” etc are abstract concepts without people occupying the spots. So what say you?

depending on the given game any where from 15 to 27, all depends on how Zeke is running or playing, a 20 point per game average isn't getting it done, in short Dak at this point is average at best, mediocre at worse. in no order these are ahead of Dak in my opinion.
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Andrew Luck
Matt Ryan
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Russell Wilson
Matthew Stafford
Philip Rivers
Deshaun Watson
Drew Brees
Baker Mayfield
Cam Newton
Kirk Cousins
Derek Carr
Eli Manning

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lulz, smh.

Meanwhile, Dak had arguably the league’s best o-line in 2016 (and still had top talent in Martin and Smith), the league’s best RB the past three seasons. You claim he sucks in the playoffs yet he’s led his team to the Super Bowl and gone 20 TDs/7 100 QB rating in 10 appearances. So what has Dak done in the postseason?

Oh, let me guess? It’s everyone else’s fault.

Some of those incorrect stats right there just shows your biased. The Cowboys may have had the best line in 2016, but they definitely weren't last year or the year before. Having two pro bowlers when the other guys are rookies or backups or Chaz Green doenst cut it. And you say we had Zeke for 3 years, but he was missing for 6 games in 2017 and that was one of the reasons the teams play took a downturn along with missing Smith and Lee. The of course you have the horrid Garrett and Linehan, a dumbed down offense, and a serious lack of pass catcher talent before Cooper got here.

What has Dak done in the postseason? You mean in only his first 3 years? Well he made the playoffs twice and won a playoff game. He also played well in all 3 of those playoffs games. Certainly good enough to win.

But hey, like you said, its all Dak's fault. LOL

 

[CowboyRoy]

depending on the given game any where from 15 to 27, all depends on how Zeke is running or playing, a 20 point per game average isn't getting it done, in short Dak at this point is average at best, mediocre at worse. in no order these are ahead of Dak in my opinion.
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Andrew Luck
Matt Ryan
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Russell Wilson
Matthew Stafford
Philip Rivers
Deshaun Watson
Drew Brees
Baker Mayfield
Cam Newton
Kirk Cousins
Derek Carr
Eli Manning

Forget about Dak for a minute just looking at your order it shows how completely off base you are when judging QB's. May Ryan is better than Brees, Hahones, Brady?

And then you mention that Dak is ranked somewhere depending on how good the players are around him? This is an exercise in how good the QB is, not the players around the QB.

Now if you want to say that the better the players are around a QB the better he plays, then by all means I completely agree.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Forget about Dak for a minute just looking at your order it shows how completely off base you are when judging QB's. May Ryan is better than Brees, Hahones, Brady?

And then you mention that Dak is ranked somewhere depending on how good the players are around him? This is an exercise in how good the QB is, not the players around the QB.

Now if you want to say that the better the players are around a QB the better he plays, then by all means I completely agree.

if you weren't so keen on just trying to argue back...you would have noticed he said...IN NO ORDER ahead of dak

but you are just hell bent to say something....right?

 

[Sydla]

You can call it whatever the hell you want. 29 total TD, 4 INT and the #1 seed in the NFC was an OUTSTANDING rookie year... the best in NFL history, in fact.

Hahahaha Zeke “ran us to victory”? What league have you been watching? Since when do RBs win games on their own? Would Emmitt have won without Aikman? Why didn’t Barry Sanders even come CLOSE to winning anything? Why were the Giants so bad despite Saquon’s great rookie year?

Your perception of 2018 is hilarious. When did we have a great OL??? They were average without Frederick and with Martin/Tyron banged up as well. Ranked 14th by PFF.

LOL saying Zeke and Cooper are the reason we won is like saying Emmitt and Irvin led us to greatness and not giving Aikman any credit. Why is QB the most critical position for 31 teams but NOT the Cowboys?

83 TD, 27 INT through 3 seasons while winning 2/3 of his games, plus a playoff game. What kind of moron thinks that’s what an “average bus driver QB” does?

You’re close in that I’ll bring up his contract, but I won’t say “deal with it.” I’ll invite you to cry about it all you want. You deserve the sadness because you’re a jealous know-nothing who has personal issues with your favorite football team’s starting QB.

Dak’s winning and you’re losing at life. Cry about it! Bottle up those SWEET tears and send ‘em my way!

You cite PFF's ranking of our OL to support your argument. So I assume that means you put value in PFF's rankings.

Well then, PFF had Prescott as their 18th rated QB in 2018. So do you only value PFF when it suits your purpose?

And FWIW, Nick Foles' 27 TDs to 2 interceptions season with Chip Kelly is probably more impressive. It was also a total fluke.

 

[Sydla]

Lulz, smh.

Meanwhile, Dak had arguably the league’s best o-line in 2016 (and still had top talent in Martin and Smith), the league’s best RB the past three seasons. You claim he sucks in the playoffs yet he’s led his team to the Super Bowl and gone 20 TDs/7 100 QB rating in 10 appearances. So what has Dak done in the postseason?

Oh, let me guess? It’s everyone else’s fault.

Ryan and Wilson are largely underrated by many fans here.

 

[Sydla]

I like this quote, " if you don't like him find another team" *takes my ball and goes home*

"You are just a hater"

"Go away Eaglez fan!"

"You are not a real fan"

The list goes on and on.

 

[Sydla]

Forget about Dak for a minute just looking at your order it shows how completely off base you are when judging QB's. May Ryan is better than Brees, Hahones, Brady?

And then you mention that Dak is ranked somewhere depending on how good the players are around him? This is an exercise in how good the QB is, not the players around the QB.

Now if you want to say that the better the players are around a QB the better he plays, then by all means I completely agree.

He literally states his list is not in order and yet you chastise him right off the bat for the order.

LOL.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He literally states his list is not in order and yet you chastise him right off the bat for the order.

LOL.

LOL....Got me on that. So I take it back!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Ryan and Wilson are largely underrated by many fans here.

Wilson is a complete stud. Ryan is an amazing passer given time but I dont think he is a great leader.

 

[Sydla]

Wilson is a complete stud. Ryan is an amazing passer given time but I dont think he is a great leader.

He's made a SB. Hard to not be a leader and take your team to a SB. He's apparently very well respected in the locker room as well.

 

[Section446]

He's a 2nd-3rd tier QB.

 

[Brax]

Forget about Dak for a minute just looking at your order it shows how completely off base you are when judging QB's. May Ryan is better than Brees, Hahones, Brady?

And then you mention that Dak is ranked somewhere depending on how good the players are around him? This is an exercise in how good the QB is, not the players around the QB.

Now if you want to say that the better the players are around a QB the better he plays, then by all means I completely agree.

I didn't rate the QB's in any actual order( as I stated in my post my bad if not clear) just my opinion at this point they are ahead of Dak.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The ring around his *** he got sitting on the bench?

Ok