Is Dak a so-called bus driver?

[Irvin88_4life]

The only reason why Beasley had more catches is due to Dak’s inability to throw accurately and consistently deep. In all honesty, the offense shouldn’t have to throw repeatedly to the slot WR for short gains. The slot WR runs the check down, short routes that have a high completion rates and Beasley is not the type of WR to break tackles and get big gains. He was just a safe WR to throw short passes to.

Dak had over 8 air yards his rookie year which is the best year of Beasley career. This he was only throwing check downs is incorrect but nice try.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think it's reasonable. Had we stopped a TD, we're in good shape. I'm not denying (And never did) the offense could have played better, but they did enough.

Is allowing 275 yards rushing enough to win? What do you think made the biggest impact? What was the weakest link?

Now you're not making sense.

I’m not denying the defense wasn’t a problem giving up those rushing yards and if they hadn’t held them to 3 early FG’s the game would have been over early.

But they did stifle them in Redzone which enabled our offense an opportunity to come back.

And my weakest link argument is over a season not one game. Your attempting to curb my narrative.

 

[G2]

I’m not denying the defense wasn’t a problem giving up those rushing yards and if they hadn’t held them to 3 early FG’s the game would have been over early.

But they did stifle them in Redzone which enabled our offense an opportunity to come back.

And my weakest link argument is over a season not one game. Your attempting to curb my narrative.

The regular season is irrelevant as well. You keep changing the argument. Lol.
We won the division.
We won the wildcard round.
The main reason we didn't move on wasn't because of Prescott or the offense.

And you like to throw around your questions, but you never answer them.

Was allowing 275 yards good enough to win vs. LA? Because your point on game points got blown out of the water.

 

[Diehardblues]

The regular season is irrelevant as well. You keep changing the argument. Lol.
We won the division.
We won the wildcard round.
The main reason we didn't move on wasn't because of Prescott or the offense.

And you like to throw around your questions, but you never answer them.

Was allowing 275 yards good enough to win vs. LA? Because your point on game points got blown out of the water.

In the end I believe we were in a position to overcome the 275 yards rushing we gave up.

And you continue to attempt to deter my narrative which is our passing offense and QB are the team’s weakest link.

 

[G2]

In the end I believe we were in a position to overcome the 275 yards rushing we gave up.

Lol.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Thanks

TE definitely wasn’t Elite. Agreed. But once we acquired Cooper our WR uplifted our offense and Dak enough to be considered Elite. And while our OL dropped off from it’s All World status from 2016 we still had 2 Pro Bowlers last year.

Even when we had arguably the greater supporting cast in 2016, the end results in playoffs weren’t any better. What would our offense be without league leading rusher and a WR1. We’ve already seen. I’m not sure why I need to ask. And why Id continue to ask. How much Elite talent will it take around him to take the next step? Or is this as good as it gets?

Hopefully Dak will take another step and improve. Right now to contend he has to have a top-notch defense and running game.
The possibility it there to have both.
Who Dak is *right now*, IMO (as far as the caliber of QB, not the playing style) is on par with Eli Manning.
Decent- to good QB, needs a complete team to contend for a title.

 

[Diehardblues]

Lol.

As always you are entitled to our opinion.

We even had an opportunity late in game to overcome.

If you believe 22 points was enough to beat one of the most prolific offenses in the league then I’d laugh too.

Using the 275 yards is just an excuse. We still had an opportunity to win the game because we held them to those 3 early FG’s which if we had not then we could have totally blamed the defense. That’s how I see it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hopefully Dak will take another step and improve. Right now to contend he has to have a top-notch defense and running game.
The possibility it there to have both.
Who Dak is *right now*, IMO (as far as the caliber of QB, not the playing style) is on par with Eli Manning.
Decent- to good QB, needs a complete team to contend for a title.

That’s fair. Although I’d rate Eli in his early years as a more prolific passer.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

That’s fair. Although I’d rate Eli in his early years as a more prolific passer.

Agreed.
More prolific passer. Turnover-prone at times. Not a threat to run like Prescott. Better arm.
I am lumping in Dak's running ability to a degree because it's one of his defining abilities. 6 rushing TDs a year.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hopefully Dak will take another step and improve. Right now to contend he has to have a top-notch defense and running game.
The possibility it there to have both.
Who Dak is *right now*, IMO (as far as the caliber of QB, not the playing style) is on par with Eli Manning.
Decent- to good QB, needs a complete team to contend for a title.

Right .. having a complete team consistently with our dysfunctional organization could be challenging. Not to mention the challenges in coaching staff and why I’d like our chances better with a more Elite QB.

Dak has some intangible assets which make him appealing but his passing weaknesses and inconsistencies concern me.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Right .. having a complete team consistently with our dysfunctional organization could be challenging. Not to mention the challenges in coaching staff and why I’d like our chances better with a more Elite QB.

I hear ya.
Remember when Payton Manning was a Free Agent?
I would have signed him as fast as I could.
We had Romo, of course, who was real good.
But a guy like P. Manning?
I'd have done whatever it took to get him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Again, it's not all about statistics. Other than one season, Aikman was very average statistically even for his time. Statistics are not the measure Aikman is judged by - nor should they be. If judged solely on stats he wouldn't be in the HOF.

I don't disagree, in fact I am in full agreement of those, that's where Dak lovers get their shorts tied up in a knot and continuously point to completion percentage, winning totals, 4th quarter comebacks,.. Aikman was known for his accuracy, ability to read and dissect a defense and where to put the ball. people forget He did have Michael Irvin, but Novaceck as much as we love him, wasn't a top echelon TE, until Aikman made him into what he was.....in AZ he was average. so that's one of my other points on elevating those around you....Aikman certainly did that with novacek.... as great as everyone made the OL to be, only one of them got into HOF...Aikman made them look great...a QB contributes to that. also he never really had a second WR that was worth their money....

 

[Nightman]

If Dak is a Bus Driver that is one helluva bus

 

[Section446]

Yup.

 

[Philmonroe]

I'm starting with my answer......No ( two words.....his resume)

This is like certain other subjects people are going to post what agrees with them. I’m no different but really dislike the whole you don’t like him so that’s why you say he’s a bus driver. Why can’t people say he’s a bus driver because that’s what they think he is? If he was a top 5 qb people wouldn’t say that about him but when you’re just good enough that that can be said about you don’t be surprised when some see you that way as a player. It is lazy to me to do the whole he’s a bus driver equals you don’t like him. Don’t know him to dislike him just think he’s just average as a qb. Didn’t know that was a crime.

 

[RoboQB]

Parcels ain’t the gospel though.

Since it was Parcells who coined the term, yes, he is the gospel in this case.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The only reason why Beasley had more catches is due to Dak’s inability to throw accurately and consistently deep. In all honesty, the offense shouldn’t have to throw repeatedly to the slot WR for short gains. The slot WR runs the check down, short routes that have a high completion rates and Beasley is not the type of WR to break tackles and get big gains. He was just a safe WR to throw short passes to.

then how does NE make that a central part of their offense....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If your not going to use who gets into the Pro Bowl or All Pro as a measurement for elite take then what is our measurement ? I’m not talking about substitutes who get in after others opt out .

And the numbers are black and white. How we spin them to support our opinions is subjective.

all pro is very different than probowl which is nothing but a joke any more. I mean the 4 starting QBs in the division championships don't go and those should be on top of the list.

 

[JoeKing]

It's not my definition.
It's the definition.
You guys calling Brees and Manning bus drivers are making fools of yourselves.

You are naïve to buy into the definition you use for a bus driver. And I don't know who is telling you that Brees is a bus driver. A bus driver is a QB that works within a system to gain an advantage over the defense. Tom Brady is the greatest example there is of a bus driver. He was never considered elite until he became the bus driver in Bill Belichick's system. Which explains why he wasn't picked until the 199th overall pick in the 2000 draft.

 

[WillieBeamen]

You are naïve to buy into the definition you use for a bus driver. And I don't know who is telling you that Brees is a bus driver. A bus driver is a QB that works within a system to gain an advantage over the defense. Tom Brady is the greatest example there is of a bus driver. He was never considered elite until he became the bus driver in Bill Belichick's system. Which explains why he wasn't picked until the 199th overall pick in the 2000 draft.

Cowboyszone.com