NBC Sports-Dallas Cowboy rumors aren't going away for Sean Payton-PFT

[TexasHillbilly]

The opening statement in the report..

about $20 mil to coach the Cowboys just seems too doable for Jerrah.

That's only the interest on the monthly note for his yatch.

Cheap.

Easy peesy.

I am guessing the coaches salary is a tax deductable expense..

and no state income tax in Texas.

No?

Crap, 20mil for a yatch? Now I just have to figure out what a yatch is.

 

[Diehardblues]

Im the opposite, I'm not a jg supporter. I wouldn't be upset with Payton but I wouldn't look at him as a huge upgrade and defiantly not the savior of the franchise. Like I said, he's been living off the super bowl for 9 years now and the 2006 season, 12 years ago, when he took them to a chip when the city needed something good after Katrina. Since that super bowl he's a bit better than jg. 76 wins to 72 wins and 4 play-off wins to 2 play-off wins. JG has had better defenses but Paytons had the better QB that whole time. You're a JG supporter so I'm sure you didn't, but this fan base killed jg for 3 straight 8-8 seasons with Romo as QB. What do you think this fan base would've done with 3 straight 7-9 seasons with Brees as the QB?

Payton was one of the most horribly blatant missed calls last year from another Super Bowl and previous year Minneapolis Miracle away from championship game.

Payton is legit and far more playoff success. How much he’d have here with Dak instead of Brees is much more arguable. Hopefully if Payton was in total charge then we could look for another QB if Dak doesn’t fit Payton’s schemes which Daks ability might be suspect in comparison with Brees.

Do we really believe Dak could run Payton’s offense?

 

[Diehardblues]

Payton would have to scrap 95% of the passing plays in his playbook.

Lol

Does anyone really believe Dak could run Payton’s offense? Or would he have to dumb it down like Garrett has here?

 

[OmerV]

Imagine how boring these fan forums would be if all the trolls and opposing fan haters ( many posing as Cowboy fans) which we had many in old DC forum especially popping up week of games, just focused on the Cowboys core cause for the lack of success this era.

But instead they target products of the dysfunction. Why , because Cowboy fans mostly agree that Jerry is a huge obstacle to overcome. One that most fans of other teams I’ve visited with wouldn’t want to deal with.

But these opponents don’t want to take on or tire of targeting Jerry because unlike these other targets he has 3 Rings in his defense. But Cowboy fans all know why we have a HC like Garrett. It’s on Jerry.

We can't just keep saying "jerry sucks" over and over and over again. It is what it is, and that doesn't mean there aren't other topics of discussion related to the Cowboys. How can a person even say "jerry sucks" if they don't bother putting thought into what is good and bad with the team, and what can be done to improve it? So, we discuss what is possible to change instead of continually talking about what isn't.

 

[Little Jr]

Payton was one of the most horribly blatant missed calls last year from another Super Bowl and previous year Minneapolis Miracle away from championship game.

Payton is legit and far more playoff success. How much he’d have here with Dak instead of Brees is much more arguable. Hopefully if Payton was in total charge then we could look for another QB if Dak doesn’t fit Payton’s schemes which Daks ability might be suspect in comparison with Brees.

Do we really believe Dak could run Payton’s offense?

Yes, a horrible call that He got bailed out of taking criticism for passing on that play. Another example of bad clock mgt. Did it vs us and it cost them then game. People use the excuse , he's just aggressive. There's a time when smart out weighs aggressive. He has brain fart moments every year.

That's a good point about Dak. I do believe Dak could run his offense and I'm a huge Dak supporter but he's not Breese. Nothing wrong with that because many aren't but Payton has had Breese for the past 9 years and has managed only 2 more playoff wins, 4 more wins total and 3 straight 7-9 seasons.

We wouldn't hire Payton until after the season . I'm not sure where you stand on Dak but he's going to be locked up with a contract by then so Payton would have to deal with him. So there won't be any finding a new QB. The fact that you mentioned him finding a new QB let's me some what know where you stand on Dak. Dak is going to be here at least another 4 years and in all probability, 10 years.

 

[Stash]

Lol

Does anyone really believe Dak could run Payton’s offense? Or would he have to dumb it down like Garrett has here?

Is that the latest attempted excuse for Garrett? Now he has to "dumb down" his offense for Dak?

Is that why whenever he didn't have Romo out there audibling to a better play he's sucked? By all appearances - and awful results - Garrett's offense has been plenty "dumb enough" long before Dak got here to blame.

That's why he had playcalling forcibly taken away from him, and given to anybody else.

 

[Sydla]

He wouldn't be my first choice as HC but if the choice was simply Garrett or Payton, it's a no brainer.

 

[Stash]

Yes, a horrible call that He got bailed out of taking criticism for passing on that play. Another example of bad clock mgt. Did it vs us and it cost them then game. People use the excuse , he's just aggressive. There's a time when smart out weighs aggressive. He has brain fart moments every year.

Is this your way of acknowledging the fact that Payton should have been in the Super Bowl this year? And that he was a miracle play away from at least going to the NFC Championship Game in 2017?

That's a good point about Dak. I do believe Dak could run his offense and I'm a huge Dak supporter but he's not Breese. Nothing wrong with that because many aren't but Payton has had Breese for the past 9 years and has managed only 2 more playoff wins, 4 more wins total and 3 straight 7-9 seasons.

Brees wasn't "Brees" before he had Sean Payton as his coach. In fact, the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers to replace him, and Brees was on the street with a busted shoulder. And Brees stats pre-Payton are much worse than what Dak has done in his 3 years.

We wouldn't hire Payton until after the season . I'm not sure where you stand on Dak but he's going to be locked up with a contract by then so Payton would have to deal with him. So there won't be any finding a new QB. The fact that you mentioned him finding a new QB let's me some what know where you stand on Dak. Dak is going to be here at least another 4 years and in all probability, 10 years.

Maybe so, and it's also quite possible that the Joneses know exactly how Payton feels about him as a quarterback. And whether or not he could see himself working with him.

 

[Stash]

He wouldn't be my first choice as HC but if the choice was simply Garrett or Payton, it's a no brainer.

He's my first choice.

People bring up the 7-9 seasons, but anyone looking can see they were the result of poor defense's and coordinators. When Payton has a capable counterpart on that side of the ball, he wins. And even when he was 7-9, it sure wasn't because of the offenses he was coaching. They were still top 10, and top 5.

If Dallas could somehow swap out Garrett for Payton and keep Kris Richard to coach this defense? Watch out!

 

[Diehardblues]

We can't just keep saying "jerry sucks" over and over and over again. It is what it is, and that doesn't mean there aren't other topics of discussion related to the Cowboys. How can a person even say "jerry sucks" if they don't bother putting thought into what is good and bad with the team, and what can be done to improve it? So, we discuss what is possible to change instead of continually talking about what isn't.

I understand but I meant more in a broader scope of the team. Of course there’s individual aspects which can be discussed.

But in the end it always comes down to the biggest obstacle and why I and most I know have limited hope the core issues like in front office and coaching will change much.

And why we are a talent dependent team.

There’s no better excuse for our lack of success this era than Jerry. It all begins and ends with his foolishness and selfishness.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, a horrible call that He got bailed out of taking criticism for passing on that play. Another example of bad clock mgt. Did it vs us and it cost them then game. People use the excuse , he's just aggressive. There's a time when smart out weighs aggressive. He has brain fart moments every year.

That's a good point about Dak. I do believe Dak could run his offense and I'm a huge Dak supporter but he's not Breese. Nothing wrong with that because many aren't but Payton has had Breese for the past 9 years and has managed only 2 more playoff wins, 4 more wins total and 3 straight 7-9 seasons.

We wouldn't hire Payton until after the season . I'm not sure where you stand on Dak but he's going to be locked up with a contract by then so Payton would have to deal with him. So there won't be any finding a new QB. The fact that you mentioned him finding a new QB let's me some what know where you stand on Dak. Dak is going to be here at least another 4 years and in all probability, 10 years.

If that’s the case then our offensive potential will be limited regardless the coaching staff we have.

 

[Diehardblues]

Is that the latest attempted excuse for Garrett? Now he has to "dumb down" his offense for Dak?

Is that why whenever he didn't have Romo out there audibling to a better play he's sucked? By all appearances - and awful results - Garrett's offense has been plenty "dumb enough" long before Dak got here to blame.

That's why he had playcalling forcibly taken away from him, and given to anybody else.

Yea but it still was his offense.

 

[Diehardblues]

He's my first choice.

People bring up the 7-9 seasons, but anyone looking can see they were the result of poor defense's and coordinators. When Payton has a capable counterpart on that side of the ball, he wins. And even when he was 7-9, it sure wasn't because of the offenses he was coaching. They were still top 10, and top 5.

If Dallas could somehow swap out Garrett for Payton and keep Kris Richard to coach this defense? Watch out!

I’d rather swap Dak for Brees. And take my chances.

But all of this talk is futile because Payton coming here is a pipe dream as long as there’s breath in Jerry.

 

[OmerV]

I understand but I meant more in a broader scope of the team. Of course there’s individual aspects which can be discussed.

But in the end it always comes down to the biggest obstacle and why I and most I know have limited hope the core issues like in front office and coaching will change much.

Of course the front office isn't going to change much as long as Jerry is there, but even with Jerry still in place, over the last number of years we have seen much better drafts, have avoided the salary cap killing big splash free agents, and have been getting to the playoffs more frequently. Obviously that doesn't mean Jerry isn't still an obstacle, but it does show the team can still take steps in the right direction. If the team can get as close to advancing to the NFC championship as it did in 2014, 2016 and 2018, then it can happen.

 

[starfan1]

I’d rather swap Dak for Brees. And take my chances.

But all of this talk is futile because Payton coming here is a pipe dream as long as there’s breath in Jerry.

as is there being anyone besides #4 under center

 

[Diehardblues]

The core problem may not change much, but even with Jerry still in place, over the last number of years we have seen much better drafts, have avoided the salary cap killing big splash free agents, and have been getting to the playoffs more frequently. Obviously that doesn't mean Jerry isn't still an obstacle, but it does show the team can still take steps in the right direction. If the team can get as close to advancing to the NFC championship as it did in 2014, 2016 and 2018, then it can happen.

I’m not sure we’re any closer than the team Bill left with us that detoriated under Wade. But under Garrett I do see a better culture but with still some of the old mistakes and poor decisions made which thwart some of the better decisions.

Ultimately results matter. And until they fruition it’s basically more of the same to me. I think fans are just looking for more hope to hang on to.

 

[Diehardblues]

as is there being anyone besides #4 under center

You never know . Even if we extend him there’s always the possibility of trades.

It’s tough enough trying to overcome an average FO and coaching staff.

 

[OmerV]

I’m not sure we’re any closer than the team Bill left with us that detoriated under Wade. But under Garrett I do see a better culture but with still some of the old mistakes and poor decisions made which thwart some of the better decisions.

Ultimately results matter. And until they fruition it’s basically more of the same to me. I think fans are just looking for more hope to hang on to.

We never won the division or got past the Wild Card round of the playoffs under Parcells. More recently we have won the division 3 of the last 5 years, and have come a rats hair away from making the NFC championship game in each of those 3 years. Besides, Parcells has been gone 13 years, so he's really not really part of the current conversation.

Again, that doesn't mean all is right, but things do appear to be improved. I don't know if we can get to the Super Bowl, but we have built some talent and are at least getting a ticket to the dance pretty regularly.

 

[Stash]

I’d rather swap Dak for Brees. And take my chances.

But all of this talk is futile because Payton coming here is a pipe dream as long as there’s breath in Jerry.

Once again, something said with no basis whatsoever.

 

[Diehardblues]

We never won the division or got past the Wild Card round of the playoffs under Parcells. More recently we have won the division 3 of the last 5 years, and have come a rats hair away from making the NFC championship game in each of those 3 years. Besides, Parcells has been gone 13 years, so he's really not really part of the current conversation.

Again, that doesn't mean all is right, but things do appear to be improved. I don't know if we can get to the Super Bowl, but we have built some talent and are at least getting a ticket to the dance pretty regularly.

I said the team Parcells left us. Do we need to argue that all over again?

If your perception things are improving helps you get thru each season, that’s fine. My hope is very limited. And my expectations have been limited for years. Because of one factor.