Cowboys Should Consider Trading for Rosen

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is kind of bull****...even when our o-line was AT ITS BEST in 2016 we still weren't elite at pass protection...we were OKAY but it's real strength was the running game.

Yes, I'm sure our OL is going to be horrible next year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The scenario you layed out is just unrealistic. If they were willing to take a late 3rd round pick, then several other QB needy teams would be more than willing and have better draft position to do make that deal. If no other team was willing to give at least a late 3rd, then there are more issues than aren't publicly known. Because of our late draft position, it would more likely take our 2nd rd pick and possibly an additional 3rd or 4th rd pick to counter offers from other teams. Under your scenario, it is just a thinly disguised, "would you rather have Dak or Rosen" debate.

As I mentioned earlier, this is not "my scenario", per say. The idea of a 3rd was reported earlier so it's OK if you don't believe that a third is realistic. Just say that but understand, the 3rd was not my idea. It's what was reported as Rosen's likely trade value right now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nice well thought out post.
Thanks

TY Sir.

I'd like to take credit for it but it was actually my Son who came up with the idea of trading for Rosen to back up Dak.

 

[mattjames2010]

This all hinges on if the Cards are truly shopping Rosen - I still think it's all BS and smoke. I don't think Rosen is going anywhere and I don't think they view Murray as a better prospect, all pre-draft hype.

Even if it's true, we're not going to be looking at QBs outside of Prescott who will be getting his big deal soon. Sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Weaknesses:

• Durability

• Has had at least one concussion

• Has had shoulder, hand injuries

• Poor intangibles

• Questionable leadership traits

• Quality of teammate

• Different personality; could clash with teammates and coaches

• Could have problems with the media

You can come up with one of these for every backup in the NFL and over half the starters. I mean, there is a reason they aren't top 5 QBs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You are still pretending I said Tech ran a pro style offense, and that's a pure fabrication, and a fabrication you keep repeating over and over as if writing it more makes it legitimate. I said they used Mahomes to pass from the pocket. Again. that's not to say he never, ever rolled out, or that he didn't move away from the pocket to avoid pass rushers, but the term "pocket passer" doesn't mean a QB never, ever rolls out and will stay in the pocket and take sacks rather than move away from pressure. And it isn't limited to what you view as a "pro-style offense".

And, again, it's a pure fabrication to say "Kingsbury's offense" requires a certain style QB. Kingsbury has had success with QB's of very different styles. And, the reality is, if he were convinced that Rosen had big upside as an NFL QB he would work Rosen's skills into his offense the way he has always done at every place he coached. The other reality is, if he goes with Murray it will be because he believes Murray is more talented.

I suspect all this "Rosen doesn't fit Kingsbury's offense" thing you are talking about is just tip toeing around the fact Rosen isn't very mobile, and doesn't have a strong arm, and if that's the case, those things would be liabilities in Dallas or anywhere else.

I am not pretending anything. I am telling you that Rosen doesn't fit his Offense. You can except that or not. Either way, I think this is a pretty short story here. If you are right, then Rosen will not be traded and he will be the starter for the Cards and he will do well in Kingbury's Offense. If you are wrong, then he won't. Rather then boar everybody to death, why don't we just see how it turns out. If you are right, you can come back and tell me "I told you!". If I am right, I won't do that, I won't need to. You will know and that will be enough.

 

[ShortRound]

There are tweets about Oakland being Murray's landing spot. Rosen might be staying in AZ.

 

[fishspill]

I don’t think there’s any way they risk the room by bringing in any real competition for Dak. It’s his team and all the players will tell you. This team and staff are more or less locked in for the next 3-4 years for better or worse once these contracts get done. We just have to hope it’s good enough to compete for a title. That’ll be my level of expectation.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Same could be said for our QB, and yet we still get the Dak's a bum, dump the bum, get us a real Qb, like....Rosen?? LOL, ROFL. At least DP's 1st season he had all the key players and look at where he took us. Had it now been for the ignorance of our clapping moron, we would have beaten GB in that playoff game. Just sayn

I don't see how the same thing can be said for Dak. Dak has played behind one of the best OLs in Football his entire time in Dallas and while I would agree that the coaching is not great in many areas, it is also not the worst. I don't believe the same can be said for Dak.

As to the Dak's a Bum, whatever.......... I am guessing that these are your words, because they certainly aren't mine. I have never said that and suggested that we dump him. That's moronic.

 

[Jake]

I don’t think there’s any way they risk the room by bringing in any real competition for Dak. It’s his team and all the players will tell you. This team and staff are more or less locked in for the next 3-4 years for better or worse once these contracts get done. We just have to hope it’s good enough to compete for a title. That’ll be my level of expectation.

Rosen has yet to demonstrate that he's real competition for any incumbent starter in the NFL. Regardless, Dallas isn't going to acquire him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rosen has yet to demonstrate that he's real competition for any incumbent starter in the NFL. Regardless, Dallas isn't going to acquire him.

Why is this the question? The discussion here is about backup QB.

This is how I look at it. If Dak goes down, and I know, he's never gone down yet but lets be honest, it happens to running QBs in the NFL, then we have nobody who can step in and win us games. I believe that we have a really good chance to compete for the NFC Championship and try and win a Super Bowl this year. If Dak goes down, we are going to be looking at QBs who are probably much less talented and way more expensive then Rosen is to come in, in the middle of the season and try and pick up the pieces. I mean, how often does that work in the NFL? We are going to be more then willing to spend next years picks on getting a worse option if that occurs.

I look at this and ask, who can we go out and sign that is going to be cheaper then Rosen, have starting experience, and have the talent level that he can bring to the table? Who can we draft in this years draft that can come in and be the backup for us, this year? I mean, I know it can happen, we drafted a 4th rounder who eventually ended up starting for us, but how often does that happen in the NFL? I've only seen it a few times in my lifetime and the odds of it happening to us twice in 4 years? Better chance of you or I going out and buying a lotto ticket and winning I think.

We have a real shot IMO. This is the time that you look at spending capitol you might not spend in other years. I look at this deal and I see a chance to fill a real need on this team for a period of 4 years if we decide to keep him that long. I see a chance to add a guy who could be a very valuable piece for us this season and then turn around and get our money back from him in trade if we decide to do that in a season or two. I see a player who can really help strengthen our ability to negotiate a deal with Dak, who is the key to all the rest of our future signings. If spending a 3rd on Rosen only helps us there, then it's more then worth the 3rd round pick. Would you spend a 3rd round pick to make sure that you sign Dak to a more reasonable deal?

I think people read this thread and they jump to the conclusion that somehow, it suggest that the Cowboys make a trade to replace Dak. Nothing could be further from the truth. You make this trade to strengthen your position in signing Dak. I mean, yes, it also provides an option if Dak were to leave but lets be honest, how is Dak going to leave Dallas if he doesn't agree to a new contract? The truth is that Dak is under contract for another year. If he doesn't sign, then the team Tags him and he has the option to find a trading partner or sit out a season, which doesn't help him at all. It costs him a years potential earnings, which would probably be in the area of 20 to 30 million a year. I don't see Dak doing that but I do see an agent trying to do that and I do see an agent doing all the little things they can to try and hold him out of pre season etc. All of that hurts his preparations and that honestly the worst thing for Dak. He needs all of that he can get. If you bring in a Rosen, it's not to replace Dak. It's to prepare for all of those eventualities. Dak is going nowhere IMO but the real question is, do you want to be caught flat footed and unprepared for all of those kinds of little games that agents play or do you want to do everything you can to be ready for that. If you bring in Rosen and you get him ready to play, you take those options off the table for negotiations. Dak's agent will depend on the fact that the team can not compete without Dak. He's going to use that to leverage a bigger contract because he doesn't care if Dak holds out or not. He gets paid on a percentage of the deal and not on when he reports etc. The agent is interested in signing the biggest deal he can because that's his best opportunity to make the most money. If you take that tool off the table, then the threat of Dak sitting out of OTAs or missing Training Camp or sitting out games during the season are less of a critical need for the team and there by, less likely to happen because it doesn't provide any advantage to Dak if the Cowboys have a capable backup that they can look to if needed. All of this is about signing Dak and not replacing him. I mean, it seems pretty simple to me but I don't know.

I just think that if you could get a guy like Rosen for a 3rd, it would be worth the pick in terms of filling the need at Backup QB, providing a lot of leverage for future negotiations with Dak and giving you a decent chance on return on investment if you decide to trade Rosen down the line.

JMO

 

[john van brocklin]

TY Sir.

I'd like to take credit for it but it was actually my Son who came up with the idea of trading for Rosen to back up Dak.

Smartness runs in the family

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Smartness runs in the family

Man I hope so, cause I think it might have skipped a generation with me. Why else would I intentionally post a thread like this one, when I knew it would only get me a drubbing? LOL..........

 

[Stash]

I don’t think there’s any way they risk the room by bringing in any real competition for Dak. It’s his team and all the players will tell you. This team and staff are more or less locked in for the next 3-4 years for better or worse once these contracts get done. We just have to hope it’s good enough to compete for a title. That’ll be my level of expectation.

I tend to agree with you, but from the oresoective of keeping options open and taking advantage of every opportunity, a move like this does make some sense. Especially if Prescott's salary demands are sky high.

Having said that, it's not a move that this team and ownership makes. They don't make the tough decisions that might be construed as cut-throat. More often, they get too familiar and too attached to their players and they view things as family rather than as business.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don’t think there’s any way they risk the room by bringing in any real competition for Dak. It’s his team and all the players will tell you. This team and staff are more or less locked in for the next 3-4 years for better or worse once these contracts get done. We just have to hope it’s good enough to compete for a title. That’ll be my level of expectation.

I honestly don't think that you are risking anything. I mean, Dak is in his 4th season now. If he can't "hold the room" with the advantage of having been here, playing in the Offense and just flat out knowing the personnel and all that goes along with that, then he shouldn't be the starter. I don't think there is any risk here. You don't bring in Rosen to displace Dak. You bring him in to prepare for injury or holdouts etc.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

If this was the 1993 Cowboys, I'd do the trade,

But if you give your 3rd pick for Rosen, that means the Cowboys would have one pick in the first 127.

Way too many needs and question marks on this team to stand pat with the talent they have. Certainly you don't expect a number 90 pick to be an immediate impact player, though you hope for that, but you should at least be able to get a decent backup at no. 90, which is the pick Rosen would cost you.

This team needs more help than 1 lower second rounder....

 

[starfan1]

I don’t think there’s any way they risk the room by bringing in any real competition for Dak. It’s his team and all the players will tell you. This team and staff are more or less locked in for the next 3-4 years for better or worse once these contracts get done. We just have to hope it’s good enough to compete for a title. That’ll be my level of expectation.

i agree they were hesitant to bring in competition for previous QB either. When the FO feels they have their guy they quit looking at QB. If they are satisfied with their back up they are content at that position JMO.

 

[cern]

the cards hold all the cards. (punnish, I know) they'll get murray and keep rosen. if someone loses a qb, rosen's stock rises even more. cards come out a winner on this one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If this was the 1993 Cowboys, I'd do the trade,

But if you give your 3rd pick for Rosen, that means the Cowboys would have one pick in the first 127.

Way too many needs and question marks on this team to stand pat with the talent they have. Certainly you don't expect a number 90 pick to be an immediate impact player, though you hope for that, but you should at least be able to get a decent backup at no. 90, which is the pick Rosen would cost you.

This team needs more help than 1 lower second rounder....

When I posted this thread, I asked the question, under a certain set of circumstances, would you do this deal? A lot of what I got back was group speak and not really any answer to the actual question. At least your post gives a reason why you would not do this, beyond fear of hurting Dak's feelings or whatever else.

I appreciate that you gave it enough thought to give an actual reason why you wouldn't do it, outside of fear of hurting Dak's feelings.

 

[cern]

the thing most sought in trades is high draft picks. we have none. ergo, no I would not consider trading for rosen.