Spitting in the Wind

[cowboyblue22]

Those on this fansite who are actively campaigning against Dak Prescott being given a big money contract extension are just wasting everyone's time. The Cowboys ARE going to give him a contract extension, and it will be a HUGE contract. That is already decided by the Jones family. They are only negotiating over how HUGE it will be, not if he will get an extension.

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

What the Cowboys are NOT going to do is undermine Dak's potential success by elevating another QB to the same level of Dak within the immediate future. So wishing for it, and campaigning for it is like listening to a nagging wife. It is just tiresome, and gets old really, really fast. Some of you are like a gaggle of nagging wives who get together to complain about their husbands at the beauty shop. I hope you have fun complaining to each other, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't claim to know if Dak will be able to achieve Championship status in Dallas. I see the same faults some of you do. But the Cowboys are committed to him, and as a fan, I'm committed to support him despite his flaws. I don't see the point of constantly griping about his flaws. Yes, I see them. So what? Is pining for someone new going to change anything? Nope. It is a complete waste of time to do so.

So I implore the site administrators to set up a Dak Prescott chat space for ALL Dak Prescott complainers to go to to complain about Dak - kind of an online beauty parlor for the nagging nebobs of negativity to get together in a big circle jerk and pleasure each other. I can simply avoid clicking on that location, and enjoy the input of others without the constant refrain of Dak Prescott negativity.

that is what the jones family has stated he will get a long term deal whether he is able to lead the cowboys to a championship that's another story

 

[Jumbo075]

I have 9 people on ignore, and am considering adding a 10th.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The internet nowadays is like a constant game of "Schrodingers dbag". It's really just a numbers game.

Eternal September
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[TwentyOne]

For how long? The last several QB contracts all reset the market.

• 2011 - P.Manning - 5 years, $90M - avg 18M per season
• 2012 - P.Manning - 5 years, $96M - avg 19.2M per season
• 2012 - Brees - 5 years, $100M - avg $20M per season
• 2013 - Flacco - 6 years, $120.6M - avg $20.6M per season
• 2013 - Ryan - 5 years, $103.75M - avg $20.75M per season
• 2013 - Rodgers - 5 years, $110M - avg $22M per season
• 2016 - Flacco - 4 year, $66.4M - avg 22.13M per season
• 2016 - Luck - 6 years, $140M - avg $23.3M per season
• 2017 - Cousins - 1 year, $23.9M - avg. $23.9M per season
• 2017 - Stafford - 5 years, $135M - avg $27M per season
• 2018 - Garoppolo - 5 years, $137.5M - avg 27.5M per season
• 2018 - Ryan - 5 years, $150M - avg $30M per season
• 2018 - Rodgers - 4 years, $132M - avg $33M per season
• 2019 - Wilson - 5 years, $175M - avg $35M per season

After Wilson signed this year, Roestlibergers signed a 2 year deal for $68M, avg $34M per year.

Dak Prescott may technically get a 6 year, $30M extension for seasons 2020-2025. But with his 2019 $2M salary, that is $182M over 7 years, an average of $26M per season. That is less than 75% of the $35M per season that Wilson will make. While he might be near the top of the scale temporarily, he'll be quickly surpassed by deals for Goff, Wentz, and Cam Newton next year. Phenom Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, and Mitch Trubisky to will pass Dak by two years from now.

By the 2021 season, Dak Prescott's average of $26M per season over 7 years will be exceeded by Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jimmy Garoppolo, Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, and Mitch Trubisky, making him the 13th highest paid QB in the NFL. And if the Cowboys get him for $28.5M per season, his actual average over 7 years will be under $25M per season. At the same time, over the next 7 years, the NFL expects the Salary CAP to increase at least $70-80M, meaning that the it will go up to about $260M-$270M per year. A deal where the starting franchise QB makes 10% or less of the overall CAP is a great deal for the Cowboys.

If you think Prescott is a slightly better than average, but not elite QB, then a 6 year contract extension paying him $168-180M from 2020-2025 is just about the right amount.

Nice write up. Thanks for the values.

As you can see the QB salaries climb every year for about 7-8%. So it is below the salary cap climb which is about 10% every year.

To say we need to sign Dak to a contract earlier better then later can see this is a mistake. Compared to the salary cap and the way it climbs its cheaper to wait to sign a QB to a longterm contract.

Whats more i am not the one who thinks Dak is a slightly better then average QB. I see him as a good backup QB or a very low NFL starter.

As long as he doesnt show any fundamental change to the better in his game i would not hang my franchise's faith on him by signing him on a longterm contract for maybe 20 mils / year.

 

[Jumbo075]

Nice write up. Thanks for the values.

As you can see the QB salaries climb every year for about 7-8%. So it is below the salary cap climb which is about 10% every year.

To say we need to sign Dak to a contract earlier better then later can see this is a mistake. Compared to the salary cap and the way it climbs its cheaper to wait to sign a QB to a longterm contract.

Whats more i am not the one who thinks Dak is a slightly better then average QB. I see him as a good backup QB or a very low NFL starter.

As long as he doesnt show any fundamental change to the better in his game i would not hang my franchise's faith on him by signing him on a longterm contract for maybe 20 mils / year.

You think Jimmy Garoppolo is worth $27.5M per season?

 

[Jake]

Those on this fansite who are actively campaigning against Dak Prescott being given a big money contract extension are just wasting everyone's time. The Cowboys ARE going to give him a contract extension, and it will be a HUGE contract. That is already decided by the Jones family. They are only negotiating over how HUGE it will be, not if he will get an extension.

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

What the Cowboys are NOT going to do is undermine Dak's potential success by elevating another QB to the same level of Dak within the immediate future. So wishing for it, and campaigning for it is like listening to a nagging wife. It is just tiresome, and gets old really, really fast. Some of you are like a gaggle of nagging wives who get together to complain about their husbands at the beauty shop. I hope you have fun complaining to each other, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't claim to know if Dak will be able to achieve Championship status in Dallas. I see the same faults some of you do. But the Cowboys are committed to him, and as a fan, I'm committed to support him despite his flaws. I don't see the point of constantly griping about his flaws. Yes, I see them. So what? Is pining for someone new going to change anything? Nope. It is a complete waste of time to do so.

So I implore the site administrators to set up a Dak Prescott chat space for ALL Dak Prescott complainers to go to to complain about Dak - kind of an online beauty parlor for the nagging nebobs of negativity to get together in a big circle jerk and pleasure each other. I can simply avoid clicking on that location, and enjoy the input of others without the constant refrain of Dak Prescott negativity.

The Dak Drama Zone would be one of the busiest forums on the site.

I agree with you. I'm not entirely sold on Dak as a "franchise QB" but it doesn't matter because the Cowboys are going to make him ours. I hope he proves doubters like me wrong because I really want to see the Dallas bleepin' Cowboys on top of the mountain again.

 

[Mobinvans]

Dak is a average quarterback at best...

Jerry and Co are gonna do whatever they want, that is true...

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

I'm always puzzled why people can't simply not read threads they find tiresome.

I implore the site administrators to let people talk the Cowboy football they want to talk about. All the "these words go in this forum, and those words go in that forum" leads to hall monitor tiresomeness.

With the QB, the problem is particularly acute. Evaluation of the QB is relevant to a great many topics. "He talked Dak, make him stop!" is tiresome to me, and more importantly, interferes with us talking Cowboy football.

Post of the thread.

Well done.

 

[Hadenough]

I'm always puzzled why people can't simply not read threads they find tiresome.

I implore the site administrators to let people talk the Cowboy football they want to talk about. All the "these words go in this forum, and those words go in that forum" leads to hall monitor tiresomeness.

With the QB, the problem is particularly acute. Evaluation of the QB is relevant to a great many topics. "He talked Dak, make him stop!" is tiresome to me, and more importantly, interferes with us talking Cowboy football.

Well said!

 

[Idgit]

No everyone agrees garrett sucks except @Idgit

Except me, his players, his staff, and anybody in the league who actually has the faintest clue what sort of job he does. Or anybody who pays attention to how solid the team has generally been in recent years.

The people who don’t like him are fans who are unhappy with not getting to a Super Bowl and are looking for a scapegoat because that’s easier than believing Superbowls are really hard to get to and the organization itself has some limitations. It’s an angry mob. Mobs aren’t known for their sophisticated reasoning.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Except me, his players, his staff, and anybody in the league who actually has the faintest clue what sort of job he does. Or anybody who pays attention to how solid the team has generally been in recent years.

The people who don’t like him are fans who are unhappy with not getting to a Super Bowl and are looking for a scapegoat because that’s easier than believing Superbowls are really hard to get to and the organization itself has some limitations. It’s an angry mob. Mobs aren’t known for their sophisticated reasoning.

I just dislike him as a HC because he didnt earn the job and hated the hire from jump. His track record has only proven my point. Kids getting jobs because of their dad irritates me in general.

 

[Stash]

What's an absolute crybaby thread.

 

[Idgit]

I just dislike him as a HC because he didnt earn the job and hated the hire from jump. His track record has only proven my point. Kids getting jobs because of their dad irritates me in general.

Except his track record has actually been pretty good, and has trended up.

In fairness though, you’re right. Not everybody who dislikes Garrett is scapegoating him. A lot of them are, but there definitely were people who were vocally wrong about him from the start.

 

[Crazed Liotta Eyes]

Here’s a fun trivia answer for everyone here:

Do you know the only 6 other quarterbacks this millennium to get top 10 money on a long term deal despite A) not being taken in the first round, and B) not making a conference championship game before getting paid?

Tony Romo
Marc Bulger
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Matt Shaub
David Garrard

And now Dak Prescott

Every single one of them had fanbases split. Some though they were conmen, others thought they were criminally misused. But one thing they all had in common was they never got any better or made it any farther after signing that deal. Every single team regressed after the qb got paid, no one made the conference championship afterward either. Didn’t suddenly ascend once he got paid, what you saw is what you got. ‘Misunderstood’, ‘underrated’, ‘bad coaching staff’ every single one of them.

Not making a judgement on Dak before we see it, but it is food for thought.

Derek Carr?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Except his track record has actually been pretty good, and has trended up.

In fairness though, you’re right. Not everybody who dislikes Garrett is scapegoating him. A lot of them are, but there definitely were people who were vocally wrong about him from the start.

Eh. A bunch are scapegoating him, a few were wrong from the outset and some just have a different view of how long a coach should be given.

You've conceded yourself that if we don't take the 'next step' (exactly what that means is a mystery though it surely means advancing beyond the divisional round) this year it will be fair to replace him. That reflects a commitment to the view that at some point, whatever the circumstances, you have to produce results. Now you just have a difference of opinion with some of the GROG crowd over how soon that point comes. You're with Jerry: this year is it; get us past the divisional round or get packing. But there's nothing in principle that would prevent someone from saying 'it should have been this past season (or 2017 or whatever) -- he's had an inordinately long tenure for someone who has produced 2 playoff wins.'

That's why I don't think you should be siding with the FO on this 'prove it' year business. The idea all along -- and this is part of what they bought into when they hired Garrett -- was that what you're trying to do isn't to win it all in any given year but to contend consistently over a long period of time, knowing that things aren't likely to fall your way in any given year (and you need them to fall your way to win a Super Bowl) but if you're in the mix year after year eventually things will fall your way. Garrett's been integral to putting a system in place that looks like it will allow us to contend year in and year out for many years. Eventually it should bear championship fruit. The 'prove it' year thing is to appease impatient fans. It amounts to Garrett being scapegoated by Jerry.

 

[ESisback]

Hope the COWBOYS win an NFC Championship game. And if Dak is the QB, that'd be cool too.
Dak himself isn't winning anything. Nor is Rodgers or any other single player.

Thanks Jumbo! I don’t have the patience (or the smarts) to wade through all the stats and numbers. Of course it will probably get pish-poshed because it doesn’t support the whole ”Dak sucks” narrative, but...

 

[TwentyOne]

You think Jimmy Garoppolo is worth $27.5M per season?

Thats a different question.

To be honest, i do think no player in the nfl is worth more then 10.000 dollar per year. But thats another theme and not one of this thread.

I think dak isnt a starting nfl qb. He sure is better then the worst 3 or 4 starting QBs in this league right now, still i wouldnt bind my faith to him by giving him a longterm contract.

 

[cern]

Except me, his players, his staff, and anybody in the league who actually has the faintest clue what sort of job he does. Or anybody who pays attention to how solid the team has generally been in recent years.

The people who don’t like him are fans who are unhappy with not getting to a Super Bowl and are looking for a scapegoat because that’s easier than believing Superbowls are really hard to get to and the organization itself has some limitations. It’s an angry mob. Mobs aren’t known for their sophisticated reasoning.

neither are the narrow minded or close minded. ask yourself why the patriots are always near the top of the mountain. the obvious answer is they have great head coach. we were winners with landry and jimmy. not so much with garrett. when a top quits spinning, it just topples over.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

The very first thing I did when I signed up for this Forum was put you on my ignore list - before I even made my first post. I love the ignore feature. The problem is that the naysayers won't leave those of us who wish to have positive discussions alone. They hijack EVERY thread. Every. Single. One.

It's one thing to rationally discuss areas that need improvement. It is quite another to constantly wish Garrett were fired, Prescott were cut, or Jerry would die.

This is my whole thing. It is every thread, and they always like they're the victims of persecution if you call them out. As if they aren't posting their opinions freely and calling everyone stupid if they dare post a different, more positive outlook.

Nobody is saying negative opinions are unacceptable but you dont have to go into every thread, quote the first post to use Dak's name, and then recite the same tired old bashing.

 

[Flamma]

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

Yes to this. There really is no logical alternative at the moment.