Dak Prescott has higher ceiling than Carson Wentz

[G2]

Rodgers has always carried his team(Except in 11), but he's also always failed in crunch time.

No player carries a team.

 

[Stash]

Losing teams almost always have more passing yards. Nature of the game. Counting passing yardage to compare Qb's in one single game means pretty much nothing. To compare using that stat, one would have to guess at how well Goff would've done if he had been required to pass. As it was, our run D was so completely horrific, nothing else can really be judged in the game.

By your own standards, how did Goff do in his next game against the Patriots? When he was losing for the entire game?

By your own standards.

 

[G2]

So there are those convinced that Prescott is as good as he will ever be and that Wentz has more potential to become better....

Based on what? All we have to go by are their performances and Prescott has at the very least been WAY more available.

If you want to suggest Wentz throws a better ball, I'd agree. But overall, it's early to crown him.

 

[kskboys]

No player carries a team.

Simply sports terminology. Basically means that his play elevates the team.

I can't stand Rodgers and his snarky crapp, but he does mostly carry the team.

 

[mattjames2010]

He has to match Nick Foles first before he can be the focus in a higher ceiling to others. He hasnt done that

"Match Foles" - Does Dak have to do that as well? Did Dak have the playoff run that Foles had? Or is that just for rival players? Foles also is no longer with the Eagles, Wentz has that starting job.

 

[kskboys]

By your own standards, how did Goff do in his next game against the Patriots? When he was losing for the entire game?

By your own standards.

Goff sucked in the super bowl.

Frankly, I've never been impressed w/ Goff. I think he's grossly overrated. However, when all a QB has to do is hand the ball off to win, it's very difficult to compare the two starters using stats. Same thing happened w/ Aikman many many times. And once again, our run D was so horrific, it's hard to really accurately judge much of anything else in that game.

 

[Stash]

Goff sucked in the super bowl.

Frankly, I've never been impressed w/ Goff. I think he's grossly overrated. However, when all a QB has to do is hand the ball off to win, it's very difficult to compare the two starters using stats. Same thing happened w/ Aikman many many times. And once again, our run D was so horrific, it's hard to really accurately judge much of anything else in that game.

Give credit where credit is due. Dak has played well in his playoff appearances and wasn't remotely the reason why the Cowboys ultimately lost.

 

[kskboys]

So there are those convinced that Prescott is as good as he will ever be and that Wentz has more potential to become better....

Based on what? All we have to go by are their performances and Prescott has at the very least been WAY more available.

If you want to suggest Wentz throws a better ball, I'd agree. But overall, it's early to crown him.

Performance has almost nothing to do w/ upside. Upside is the potential to get better.

We've been notoriously poor at developing players. And it's been no exception w/ Dak. We simplified things for him his rook year, and he played well. So, what did we then do? Threw Linny's craptastic O schemes at him, so he'd be worse. Fiiiiinally, when the chips were down and we were 3-5 and everyone's bum was on the line, we changed the O to suit Dak more. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

And then consider the preseason. We have a very raw QB who still needs development, so what do we do? We sit him. Just another brilliant decision.

So, absolutely, Dak has a ton more upside available. That's why so many of us are so ecstatic to get a new OC and QB coach. Hey, maybe they won't get it, but it won't be worse, I'll guarantee that.

 

[G2]

Simply sports terminology. Basically means that his play elevates the team.

I can't stand Rodgers and his snarky crapp, but he does mostly carry the team.

Same here, I can't stand him and would love to discount double check his face. I think he's a true elite QB too, but he's had some solid surrounding talent. Not always, but still.

 

[kskboys]

Give credit where credit is due. Dak has played well in his playoff appearances and wasn't remotely the reason why the Cowboys ultimately lost.

You know what? We're arguing over something we agree on again!!!!!!!

I like Dak, and I'm excited to see what the Kitna/Moore combo can do w/ him. It simply cannot be worse than the crapp we've been witnessing.

 

[glimmerman]

If he's "better", why does Dak have the better numbers after three years?

Stir that pot bro.. lol.

 

[kskboys]

Same here, I can't stand him and would love to discount double check his face. I think he's a true elite QB too, but he's had some solid surrounding talent. Not always, but still.

D wins. GB has been very Dallasy in their D building. Aside from 11 when it came together, they've done a poor job of building the D. The Cullen Jenkins/Raji combo were the true MVP's of that super bowl. PITT could not contain them.

I call it levels of greatness. You have Tom Brady and Payton Manning as tier 1 great, followed by tier 2 greats in Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers. Maybe Rothy.

 

[glimmerman]

If Carson goes out again with a season ending injury in 2019, are the eagles going to keep paying him or is it time to move on? Guess it depends on the injury. Going to be interesting. I would imagine that he will be a little better at protecting his body. Carson is a competitor and when he can't pass he runs and he has paid the price. This ain't college. I would imagine his coaches have emphasized this fact. I am sure an eagles fan will chime in on this conversion.

I do think that no matter the injury if it happens again they will start looking for another qb. Romo had a lot of injuries when the league didn’t protect the qb the same way they are no adays. His collar bone injuries were definitely the way the player landed on him. His last back injury was all his fault, running for yards in a preseason game wasn’t the smartest move.

 

[G2]

"Match Foles" - Does Dak have to do that as well? Did Dak have the playoff run that Foles had? Or is that just for rival players? Foles also is no longer with the Eagles, Wentz has that starting job.

He couldn't maintain his starting job due to injuries. Are you saying you're confident he will be available for a full season?

As it stands, Prescott has more postseason experience. That might come in handy.

 

[G2]

D wins. GB has been very Dallasy in their D building. Aside from 11 when it came together, they've done a poor job of building the D. The Cullen Jenkins/Raji combo were the true MVP's of that super bowl. PITT could not contain them.

I call it levels of greatness. You have Tom Brady and Payton Manning as tier 1 great, followed by tier 2 greats in Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers. Maybe Rothy.

Reasonable rankings.

 

[Sydla]

No player carries a team.

Sure, no one player can carry the other 21 starters, but some players are able to carry more of a burden than others. Some make players around them better/more effective than others.

 

[kskboys]

How about this: Wentz has more upside, but due to other circumstances, Dak may have a better chance of reaching his upside and may turn out to have a better career and be a better QB.

 

[Stash]

Stir that pot bro.. lol.

Hey, I'm just pointing out the facts to counter unsupported opinions

 

[G2]

Sure, but some players are able to carry more of a burden than others. It's preposterous to suggest otherwise.

I don't disagree, I just think the phrase gets tossed around a lot and if a player has to take on more of the burden as you say, they typically don't do much past the regular season and they have gaudy passing stats.

 

[kskboys]

I don't disagree, I just think the phrase gets tossed around a lot and if a player has to take on more of the burden as you say, they typically don't do much past the regular season and they have gaudy passing stats.

Elway "carried" 3 subpar teams to super bowls before finally winning 2 in a row.

It's like saying a CB shuts down half the field. Just not to be taken literally.

If your QB has to carry your team, you're not going to win a super bowl. Need other guys to have outstanding performances.

Even Brady. Brady really didn't play all that well in the super bowl, but the NE D carried the team. 13 points, is what Brady led his team to. And that is a mostly losing score. In any game. Brady has never won a super bowl w/o a solid D. No, they weren't always ranked high, but the D has been a huge factor in every super bowl Brady has won.