News: Quarterback trap

[TNCowboy]

Liking Dak or not has nothing to do with it. He seems like a good guy who conducts himself in a non-idiot manner, unlike many of our players. But $30M/year of precious cap space is simply too much for such an inconsistent player. Going back a season and a half, starting with Zeke's suspension last year, we've been one of the NFL's worst scoring teams. His play simply hasn't justified the kind of commitment that's being discussed. If they want to give him a nice raise, so be it. Hitching your wagon to him guaranteed for 3 or 4 years would be foolish.

 

[Coy]

I think he will get his $30 Million, is he worth it? probably not, but that`s where the market is for QB`s
Would I do it? No, I would wait another year and see how it plays out, if he plays great and the contract gets more expensive, then, at least you know you`ve got a good/great QB for the future, right now, I am not so sure of that. If he doesn`t then you`ve got options....

 

[Jake]

Well this year Dak is still under contract. Next year the Franchise tag is ~ 25 million. So that is one option.
I would let him play out his contract. If he plays great again pay him next year.
Why pay him a year early?

That's fair. What if he plays "good" again next year, you're no more convinced than you are now, the franchise tag is higher, and so is the going rate for extensions? You're back to the same decision only now the price is higher.

Looking at some of the posts about Dak, not necessarily made by you, I don't think anything he does in 2019 will be good enough for some people. He already gets criticized for failing to do something no Cowboys QB has ever succeeded in doing, so what could possibly change their mind?

I wish we were sitting here with Dak already wearing a ring, SB MVP, and this decision is really easy. It's also easy if he's Paxton Lynch. Dak's neither, but he closer to the former than the latter.

 

[Stash]

I think he will get his $30 Million, is he worth it? probably not, but that`s where the market is for QB`s
Would I do it? No, I would wait another year and see how it plays out, if he plays great and the contract gets more expensive, then, at least you know you`ve got a good/great QB for the future, right now, I am not so sure of that. If he doesn`t then you`ve got options....

Your position echoes my own. Unless I'm getting a discount for doing it now, I'll wait to sign him to the extension. And I'll save myself paying all of that additional money this year. And then if he looks great, I'll tag him and work on a long term deal in 2020.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Trevor Lawrence 2021.

That ain't automatic either. The kid could blow out a knee or start playing terrible. Nothing is guaranteed

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Why is it that these 'Dak attack' threads never actually contain any statistics?

Because if they were to post statistics, they would see the statistics and their spew don't match. I'm saying this and I'm not even a fan of Dak. But stats only show part of the story. If someone has good numbers and their physical play is off, it's luck...

 

[percyhoward]

Kirk Cousins is a talented pure passer who is awesome at putting up stats, but plays his worst in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

Correct, he's the anti-Prescott. To illustrate, this is all 2016-18.

Garbage Time (trailing)
Attempts while trailing by more than one score in 4th qtr of loss
attempts
2nd Cousins 225
23rd Prescott 125

yards
2nd Cousins 1510
22nd Prescott 799

TD / INT
Cousins 12 / 5
Prescott 3 / 6

passer rating
7th Cousins 97.5
29th Prescott 69.4

Normal situation
All attempts when NOT trailing by more than one score
(margin between 8 points behind and infinite points ahead)
attempts
6th Prescott 1,354
9th Cousins 1,288

yards
6th Prescott 10,178
8th Cousins 9,897

TD / INT
Prescott 66 / 19
Cousins 59 / 25

passer rating
8th Prescott 99.3
10th Cousins 96.3

15+yard targets as a percentage of total attempts
normal situation vs (trailing in 4th qtr)
NFL avg 18.0% (19.3%)
Cousins 16.2% (13.0%)
Prescott 15.9% (17.8%)

4th qtr/OT, tied or trailing by one score or less
passer rating
1st Prescott 110.5
22nd Cousins 78.7

TD / INT
Prescott 13 / 1
Cousins 6 / 7

 

[Stash]

Because if they were to post statistics, they would see the statistics and their spew don't match. I'm saying this and I'm not even a fan of Dak. But stats only show part of the story. If someone has good numbers and their physical play is off, it's luck...

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

If Dak can't secure an overwhelming majority of the fanbase's approval is that a red flag?

Like a King that can't bring his countrymen together.

 

[Stash]

Correct, he's the anti-Prescott. To illustrate, this is all 2016-18.

Garbage Time (trailing)
Attempts while trailing by more than one score in 4th qtr of loss
attempts
2nd Cousins 225
23rd Prescott 125

yards
2nd Cousins 1510
22nd Prescott 799

TD / INT
Cousins 12 / 5
Prescott 3 / 6

passer rating
7th Cousins 97.5
29th Prescott 69.4

Normal situation
All attempts when NOT trailing by more than one score
(margin between 8 points behind and infinite points ahead)
attempts
6th Prescott 1,354
9th Cousins 1,288

yards
6th Prescott 10,178
8th Cousins 9,897

TD / INT
Prescott 66 / 19
Cousins 59 / 25

passer rating
8th Prescott 99.3
10th Cousins 96.3

15+yard targets as a percentage of total attempts
normal situation vs (trailing in 4th qtr)
NFL avg 18.0% (19.3%)
Cousins 16.2% (13.0%)
Prescott 15.9% (17.8%)

4th qtr/OT, tied or trailing by one score or less
passer rating
1st Prescott 110.5
22nd Cousins 78.7

TD / INT
Prescott 13 / 1
Cousins 6 / 7

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

That ain't automatic either. The kid could blow out a knee or start playing terrible. Nothing is guaranteed

True. But trying and failing is better than not trying at all. --It's just me, I want us to be a dynasty again. And to be the best of the best we need the best.

 

[Hennessy_King]

True. But trying and failing is better than not trying at all. --It's just me, I want us to be a dynasty again. And to be the best of the best we need the best.

So tanking to hopefully get the #1 pick for a guy that isn't guaranteed to be the best? I'll have to respectfully decline

 

[dckid]

Your position echoes my own. Unless I'm getting a discount for doing it now, I'll wait to sign him to the extension. And I'll save myself paying all of that additional money this year. And then if he looks great, I'll tag him and work on a long term deal in 2020.

Man I can't believe we are in agreement. I want to take advantage of another cheap year. I wish the FO would feel the same way and just go all out and address our weaknesses at Safety, DT, TE.

 

[OmerV]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Great article talking about the QB trap that the Vikings fell into last off season. Sounds a heck of a lot like the situation we are headed towards with Dak.

The Vikings flew straight into the pitcher plant with Cousins by paying a premium for a journeyman whose only hope for an MVP season comes from being surrounded by a superteam.

Just because the market says $30 million for your QB who is hitting Free agency at the right time doesn't mean he is Brees, Wilson, Rodgers, Luck.
Dak is an average starter. You can win with him, he won't kill you with a 5 turnover game. I never expect him to carry this team because I know what to expect. He has a solid floor and a low celing. Not someone I want to pay 30 million a year for.
All the Dak lovers can spin doctor this all day, but if you are actually honest with yourself. Dak is not an elite QB, and I am not insulting him. He is what he is. A good QB who should be paid fairly. To me that number is what Foles is getting in Jacksonville.

What you are missing is that $30 million is not the market for an elite QB. It is the market for a good/very good NFL QB. Elite QBs would blow well past $30 million if they were negotiating today, but as it is they are getting paid less than market simply because their contracts are a few years old. I wouldn't even call Russell Wilson elite, and he got $35 million/year.

 

[Hennessy_King]

What you are missing is that $30 million is not the market for an elite QB. It is the market for a good NFL QB. Elite QBs would blow well past $30 million if they were negotiating today, but as it is they are getting paid less than market simply because their contracts are a few years old. I wouldn't even call Russell Wilson elite, and he got $35 million/year.

Doesn't surprise me you don't consider him elite

 

[OmerV]

Doesn't surprise me you don't consider him elite

Wilson or Dak?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Wilson or Dak?

Russell

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

So tanking to hopefully get the #1 pick for a guy that isn't guaranteed to be the best? I'll have to respectfully decline

Yep.

If you want a dynasty, go with the player that has the second most wins the league since he entered and continue to build to hopefully move forward in playoffs.

 

[glimmerman]

What you are missing is that $30 million is not the market for an elite QB. It is the market for a good/very good NFL QB. Elite QBs would blow well past $30 million if they were negotiating today, but as it is they are getting paid less than market simply because their contracts are a few years old. I wouldn't even call Russell Wilson elite, and he got $35 million/year.

I don’t think that Daks agent would have a big problem if they wanted to wait till next season to negotiate a contract. Barring injury our Offense is set to be better than last year. Only going to make it easier for his agent to start at more than 30.

 

[OmerV]

Russell

Okay, so why does it not surprise you? What is your point?

For the record, I consider Wilson close to elite, but a step behind guys like Rodgers, Brady, and Brees. It all just depends on where a person chooses to draw the line between very good and elite. My personal line puts Wilson slightly outside the elite range. Somebody else's line might put him into the elite range. That doesn't mean there is a dramatic difference of opinion on the guy.