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[mattjames2010]

You're not very good at this.

Name ONE SINGLE time I ever posted Prescott was elite? One.
You can't because it never happened. This is what you do when you get backed into a corner with facts. I'll even give a little wiggle room and add some gray area to the word elite.
Wilson STILL isn't in that ballpark. If you exclude TEAM accomplishments, his statistics are awfully close to Prescott, lol.
But continue to make up lies and your own definitions.

What the hell are you talking about? They're closer to Dak's numbers? In what freakin' way?

The past 4 seasons, Wilson has thrown for 30+ TDs outside of 2016. Two of those seasons he only threw 483 and 427 times. Dak on similar throw attempts, he averages 22 TD passes and 7 INTs. Despite lower throw attempts, Wilson is more productive, Dak is extremely conservative.

Wilson is elite and you, as always, have no idea what you're on about. No critic would agree with you on Wilson not being elite. Stop posting with Cowboys bias, it's ridiculous.

 

[mattjames2010]

I’d argue Wilson is considered more of an Elite QB than Dak. Certainly closer to that group. And most critics would agree. That’s not making up lies. They just don’t align with your opinions.

For some reason you struggle discussing issues surrounding Dak without getting emotional. Typical of the Slobbering we’ve seen over our QB. Lol

Wilson IS elite and has been considered elite since 2015. Wilson has one of the best, if not the best, deep ball throws in the league and PFF has him ranked at the absolute top in terms of big time throws.

"7. RUSSELL WILSON, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Overall Grade: 87.2

Buried within a run-heavy offense, Wilson put together one of the best seasons of his career playing what was nearly a backup role given Seattle’s commitment to the run. He led the NFL in big-time throw percentage in total (8.9) and from a clean pocket (9.2)."

Compared to Dak Prescott

18. DAK PRESCOTT, DALLAS COWBOYS
Overall Grade: 74.6

The arrival of Amari Cooper helped Prescott a lot, but it still didn’t elevate his play enough to drive him up significantly in overall grade. He recorded 10 big-time throws without Cooper in Weeks 1-8 (seven games) and another 10 with him in Weeks 9-17 (nine games).

Anyone suggesting Wilson is similar to Dak is out of their minds with homer bias. It's embarrassing to even need to post this stuff.

 

[percyhoward]

In no way was Dallas a "run-first" offense in 2018. In normal game situations, the Cowboys ran the ball about as often as the league average.

% of plays that were RUNS
Qtr 1-3, 2018
1 Sea 53.6
2 Buf 49.1
3 Ten 47.9
4 Bal 46.5
5 Hou 45.5
6 NYJ 44.7
7 Car 44.3
8 Jax 44.1
9 SF 43.5
10 Chi 43.4
11 Mia 43.1
12 Was 42.7
13 Ari 42.7
14 Dal 42.6

Margin 8 points or less
1 Sea 52.6
2 Buf 51.2
3 Bal 49.9
4 Ten 49.8
5 Was 48.1
6 Jax 47.5
7 Hou 45.1
8 Ari 44.9
9 NYJ 44.5
10 Mia 44.3
11 Cle 43.9
12 Chi 43.5
13 SF 43.2
14 Det 43.0
15 NE 42.9
16 Dal 42.9

Overall, Dallas' run % ranked 9th, but that was because of teams ahead of them on these lists that were often taken out of their normal offense when they fell behind late in the game or fell behind by more than 8 points.

 

[Philmonroe]

Well ya. All the sentences were written by me to "give myself the upper hand". That is typically what happens in discussions where parties disagree. They provide comments that help backup and reinforce their viewpoint.

As far as a "waste of time", I don't consider things that one enjoys, like posting on a forum as being a waste of time. If all it does is brings you misery and anguish, then yes IMO, to post on a forum would be a waste of time. Just like REACTING to a contract with crying and anger is a waste of time. You, as a fan, cannot change it, so why dread and get angry about things you cannot change?

Hey, I just gave some advice I have learned myself the hard way, but by all means, take it or leave it. I'm not going to get upset about something (like other posters) acting like spoiled children that did not get their way due to their selfish entitled viewpoints. Because like you said "No amount of shaming talk by you me or anybody else is going to change that". I would not dare want "everybody to basically shut up". Not only is that against everything I lived for in my late-teens and early twenties, but it would make communities like this forum a boring place.

In conclusion, I just answered a question and gave verifiable evidence to support one of my examples in a rebuttal. If that irritated you, then that is by all means, your right.

But the chance of a "random" causing an employee's salary to be lowered is on the same level, probability wise, as a forum poster getting Dak to sign, or the Dallas Cowboys to offer, a lesser contract just because the poster believes Dak is not worth it.

If you failed to see the apples-to-apples comparison, then so be it.

Trying to give yourself the upper hand is something that happens when people feel the need to be right. I don't really feel the need to be right on this. I just disagree with the things you posted and said as much. If you disagree that's ok we will both be fine at the end of the day.

I guess its just human nature to worry about things we can't change similar to you crying about those speaking about Dak salary and me crying about you crying about them. That's just life apparently. You are getting upset in your own little passive aggressive way by making them little children like you're the shinning example of adulthood in this situation. You say you don't want others to basically shut up but your post say differently.

Nothing irritated me but continue to keep adding these bogus claims to your responses. Well actually don't because they aren't true. I failed to see the apples to apple comparison because there wasn't any but if you want to belive there was keep on believing so.

 

[visionary]

It’s hard to consistently win in the NFL without good QB play.

It's even harder to win in the NFL when you give an average QB elite QB money

 

[LACowboysFan1]

What the hell are you talking about? They're closer to Dak's numbers? In what freakin' way?

The past 4 seasons, Wilson has thrown for 30+ TDs outside of 2016. Two of those seasons he only threw 483 and 427 times. Dak on similar throw attempts, he averages 22 TD passes and 7 INTs. Despite lower throw attempts, Wilson is more productive, Dak is extremely conservative.

Wilson is elite and you, as always, have no idea what you're on about. No critic would agree with you on Wilson not being elite. Stop posting with Cowboys bias, it's ridiculous.

Stats don't tell the whole story, while I will agree Wilson is very good, I'd not call him elite, if you want to use stats, in his 2 SB appearances he had the no. 1 defense in the league to help him out, easy to take risks when your defense can shut down most offenses. His playoff record other than the SB years is 3-4. Career 64.2% completion.

He's very good, yes, but I'm not of the opinion he's "elite", at least not yet...

 

[mattjames2010]

Stats don't tell the whole story, while I will agree Wilson is very good, I'd not call him elite, if you want to use stats, in his 2 SB appearances he had the no. 1 defense in the league to help him out, easy to take risks when your defense can shut down most offenses. His playoff record other than the SB years is 3-4. Career 64.2% completion.

He's very good, yes, but I'm not of the opinion he's "elite", at least not yet...

Wilson, outside of Brees and Brady, the past 4 seasons has consistently ranked high - that's elite. No amount of mental gymnastics here changes that.

And Wilson hasn't had the legion of boom since 2014 - yet some of his best seasons have come AFTER that. And Dak had a pretty good defense last season, still, only threw 22 TD passes on 500+ attempts.

And why are you bringing up team playoff records? We're talking individually, and again, Wilson outside of two other QBs has been the only QB consistently ranked high by PFF the past 4 seasons.

In comparison, Dak ranked 12th in 2016, 16th in 2017, and 16th in 2018. The claim was that Wilson's numbers are similar to Dak's, they are not. Again, Wilson on similar attempts is more productive than Dak. There's no getting around this. Wilson is superior to Dak, and frankly, it's not even close.

 

[Reid1boys]

Teddy Bridgewater, Steve Young, Joe Theismann, There's too many to mention. Romo had his career ended because of injury. Washington's quarterback will never be the same when he attempts to come back 2 years after his injury. To insinuate an injury cannot derail an NFL players career in one play is absurd. There's a ton of NFL players whose career ended in one play.

And it's not just on the field. He could get into a car accident, or shot. It's why players covet big guaranteed money over overall contract worth.

Steve Young had at least a 10 year career, probably longer. Theisman was like 37 or so.. Bridgewater is the only qb that you even have a semblance of a point on, and he is still in the league. The qb position is no more dangerous than any other....... probably the safest position in the game actually.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

And why are you bringing up team playoff records? We're talking individually

Because the measure of a quarterback is wins, it's a team sport, people diss Danny White because of the 3 NFC championship losses, regardless of how well he played throughout this career.

I would just note that I count very few "elite" quarterbacks during Wilson's tenure, I have a bit higher standard than some, so it's not a slight against Wilson. Just like a lot of the so-called "beautiful" women in the world to me are very attractive, or better looking than average, but truly "beautiful" women are rare in my eyes.

So don't take it personally when I don't call Wilson elite, it's a pretty small group...

 

[mattjames2010]

Because the measure of a quarterback is wins, it's a team sport, people diss Danny White because of the 3 NFC championship losses, regardless of how well he played throughout this career.

I would just note that I count very few "elite" quarterbacks during Wilson's tenure, I have a bit higher standard than some, so it's not a slight against Wilson. Just like a lot of the so-called "beautiful" women in the world to me are very attractive, or better looking than average, but truly "beautiful" women are rare in my eyes.

So don't take it personally when I don't call Wilson elite, it's a pretty small group...

Morons judge a QB on wins alone - why put yourself in that camp? You can't in one breath say the W/L hurts Wilson, and then in another breath run him down by using team accomplishments (His defense). You're not consistent, which is why people who use W/L to judge individual play should be ridiculed.

And I already gave you the names, I put 2 other QBs ahead of Wilson in terms of consistently high play. That's not exactly a ton of players....

Right now, the elite in the game

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson

Bubble players are Rivers (ranked top 3 once the past 4 years), Matt Ryan (ranked within the top 3 twice the past 4 years), Big Ben, and Luck. QBs on the rise are Mahomes, Goff, and Wentz.

 

[SackMaster]

Trying to give yourself the upper hand is something that happens when people feel the need to be right. I don't really feel the need to be right on this. I just disagree with the things you posted and said as much. If you disagree that's ok we will both be fine at the end of the day.

I guess its just human nature to worry about things we can't change similar to you crying about those speaking about Dak salary and me crying about you crying about them. That's just life apparently. You are getting upset in your own little passive aggressive way by making them little children like you're the shinning example of adulthood in this situation. You say you don't want others to basically shut up but your post say differently.

Nothing irritated me but continue to keep adding these bogus claims to your responses. Well actually don't because they aren't true. I failed to see the apples to apple comparison because there wasn't any but if you want to belive there was keep on believing so.

I believe your problem is you are trying to associate feelings with my post. I was not upset, nor was I disappointed. And the only time I "feel the need to be right" is when facts have been presented and someone tries to dispute facts with feelings. As Ben Shapiro would say, "facts don't care about your feelings."

I also don't know what "bogus claims" I made, but feel free to go to the Texas Workforce Commission website yourself to disprove anything I stated about the Employer / Employee rights laws in the State of Texas.

So follow my "shinning example of adulthood" if you would like but I never claimed any such title. I, like any human, am flawed and will continue to be flawed until the day I die. And if this post is "passive aggressive" to you, then I don't know what to say other than stop trying to make a post more than what it is and focus on what it is actually saying.

Or not. It's a free world.

 

[Sydla]

There is no comparison between Dak and Wilson right now.

 

[G2]

What the hell are you talking about? They're closer to Dak's numbers? In what freakin' way?

The past 4 seasons, Wilson has thrown for 30+ TDs outside of 2016. Two of those seasons he only threw 483 and 427 times. Dak on similar throw attempts, he averages 22 TD passes and 7 INTs. Despite lower throw attempts, Wilson is more productive, Dak is extremely conservative.

Wilson is elite and you, as always, have no idea what you're on about. No critic would agree with you on Wilson not being elite. Stop posting with Cowboys bias, it's ridiculous.

I was referring to their 1st 3 seasons, it's different if you compare them otherwise, so you're right.
Wilson is not among the best of the best. That's what elite means. He's not in the same group as Brady, Brees or AR. When he was at his best he had a fantastic defense and a stout running game.

I know you think you're being your typical tough guy, but you would be hard pressed to find any of your content that speaks positive about any Dallas Cowboy not named Romo. Feel free to find some, because all I've seen is hatred on the team. You don't seem to have an issue praising other teams though. If that makes me biased, so what? Don't respond to me if you're going to let it upset you. Lmao, "stop posting."

"Next" in 3...2...1...

 

[Diehardblues]

Morons judge a QB on wins alone - why put yourself in that camp? You can't in one breath say the W/L hurts Wilson, and then in another breath run him down by using team accomplishments (His defense). You're not consistent, which is why people who use W/L to judge individual play should be ridiculed.

And I already gave you the names, I put 2 other QBs ahead of Wilson in terms of consistently high play. That's not exactly a ton of players....

Right now, the elite in the game

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson

Bubble players are Rivers (ranked top 3 once the past 4 years), Matt Ryan (ranked within the top 3 twice the past 4 years), Big Ben, and Luck. QBs on the rise are Mahomes, Goff, and Wentz.

That’s a pretty good list including your bubble guys which I’d say are closer to being Elite . And where I’d put Wilson too instead of with Brady, Brees and Rodgers.

And I’d agree measuring QB’s by wins alone isn’t absolute. There’s been many talented QB’s on crappy teams. And average QB’s benefitted by better teams.

It’s difficult having an unbiased discussion on Dak in Cowboys forum. Much like it was with Romo.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He played 16 games his rookie season. He had a scare in the preseason of 2016, but he didn't miss time.

I didn’t stay he’s missed time. I said he’s been hurt including going back to his North Dakota days.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Morons judge a QB on wins alone - why put yourself in that camp? You can't in one breath say the W/L hurts Wilson, and then in another breath run him down by using team accomplishments (His defense). You're not consistent, which is why people who use W/L to judge individual play should be ridiculed.

And I already gave you the names, I put 2 other QBs ahead of Wilson in terms of consistently high play. That's not exactly a ton of players....

Right now, the elite in the game

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson

Bubble players are Rivers (ranked top 3 once the past 4 years), Matt Ryan (ranked within the top 3 twice the past 4 years), Big Ben, and Luck. QBs on the rise are Mahomes, Goff, and Wentz.

Why are you always so upset?

 

[mattjames2010]

I was referring to their 1st 3 seasons, it's different if you compare them otherwise, so you're right.
Wilson is not among the best of the best. That's what elite means. He's not in the same group as Brady, Brees or AR. When he was at his best he had a fantastic defense and a stout running game.

I know you think you're being your typical tough guy, but you would be hard pressed to find any of your content that speaks positive about any Dallas Cowboy not named Romo. Feel free to find some, because all I've seen is hatred on the team. You don't seem to have an issue praising other teams though. If that makes me biased, so what? Don't respond to me if you're going to let it upset you. Lmao, "stop posting."

"Next" in 3...2...1...

> I was referring to their 1st 3 seasons, it's different if you compare them otherwise, so you're right.

It's still not the same. Wilson averaged 26 TDs his first two seasons with 100+ rating, in 2014 where his TD numbers dropped, it was the year he was more of a runner - he had 118 attempts running, and 800 yards on the ground and a 7.1 rushing average....which Dak has never come remotely close to. Let's also look at throwing attempts, in Wilson's rookie season, he didn't even throw 400+ passing attempts while in Prescott's rookie season, he threw 459 times yet Wilson had more TD passes. In Wilson's second season, Wilson had a little over 400 passing attempts, Prescott had almost 100 more passing attempts, yet Wilson had more TD passes. The only year similar to Prescott in terms of passing was 2014, but as I mentioned, that year Wilson was more of a scrambler and reached a level Dak never did - we don't get many 800 yard rushing QBs in the NFL.

Wilson was not "at his best" when the defense was great, two of his best seasons came AFTER the legion of boom was aging or ripped apart. I am 99% sure we've been over this in the past. And as I have shown, Wilson has been right behind Brees and Brady in terms of consistently ranking high every single season while other QBs who may end up ranking higher than Wilson bounce outside the top 5 and 10 after their best seasons.

Wilson is elite. Dak is more comparable to Carr and Mariota.

 

[mattjames2010]

That’s a pretty good list including your bubble guys which I’d say are closer to being Elite . And where I’d put Wilson too instead of with Brady, Brees and Rodgers.

And I’d agree measuring QB’s by wins alone isn’t absolute. There’s been many talented QB’s on crappy teams. And average QB’s benefitted by better teams.

It’s difficult having an unbiased discussion on Dak in Cowboys forum. Much like it was with Romo.

The problem is, the same people who are suddenly all about the W/L records would ignore this in favor of Romo just a few years ago. But since individual statistics don't favor Prescott, we look to the W/L as justification that he's something more.

 

[G2]

Wilson is elite. Dak is more comparable to Carr and Mariota.

Elite is best of the best among their peers. Top 5-10 isn't elite. That's watering the term down.

 

[G2]

The problem is, the same people who are suddenly all about the W/L records would ignore this in favor of Romo just a few years ago. But since individual statistics don't favor Prescott, we look to the W/L as justification that he's something more.

Yes, your beloved Romo had gaudy statistics, look where that got us?
I was a huge Romo fan, but for some reason he hit legendary status after he retired by some fans.

And I've maintained Prescott is middle of the pack. That doesn't mean I'm going to prop up a past player who didn't make it any further.