Garrett’s reaction to the Kellen Moore hype

[Stash]

other than the fact garrett come out in a press conference and said the linehan was safe then Stephen jones said wait a minute in another press conference that thing were still be evaluated then next thing we know linehan is fired and moore is promoted

That speaks to Linehan's firing, not Moore's hire.

 

[Bobhaze]

He might just be a football idiot.

Garrett reminds me of an actor. One that can memorize his lines but does not really understand how they fit into the story. He can deliver them at any time, even out of sequence, but has a problem with understanding how the parts make up the whole. And If the screenwriter makes some last minute changes, in game adjustments, he's still stuck with the lines he's memorized. And that's the key, memorized. He's memorized these plays over his playing and coaching career but has he truly understood the meaning and timing of them?

Great analogy Coach. There’s a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Garrett has football knowledge in large quantities but he lacks the nuance and timing that comes with football wisdom. Great coaches have football wisdom. It’s way more than just knowing football “stuff”. Garrett reminds me of a math teacher who has all the formulas memorized but can’t do anything involving creativity and practical applications outside those formulas.

 

[kskboys]

Yah, I wasn't on this board yet.

We could talk for days about all the horrid things Garrett has done on offense.

Do you remember when he would abandon the run in the first quarter every game when he was OC for Wade?

Or the GB game when we were up by 23 at halftime and Murray was rolling over the defense at 8 yards a clip?

Garrett came out after halftime with a 23 point lead and ONLY ran the ball 8 times the rest of the game. LOL

Romo threw 3 picks, 2 for TD's and we lost.

GB players were laughing after the game talking about how "going away from the run is just what the Cowboys do". "Thank you because we couldn't stop it".

Jones would completely condemn Garrett publicly also stating that "we could have basically kneeled down the entire 2nd half and won the game".

Exactly. However, he'd still make brilliant playcalling at times. He seemed clueless as to the flow of the game, though, which is what you're referring to, and doesn't have a clue how to run the ball effectively.

 

[Stash]

Exactly. However, he'd still make brilliant playcalling at times. He seemed clueless as to the flow of the game, though, which is what you're referring to, and doesn't have a clue how to run the ball effectively.

It's no coincidence that he's consistently had running game "helpers" since he's been here in Dallas. From the late Tony Sparano, to the short-lived Dan Reeves deal, to Bill Callahan, to Scott Linehan, Garrett has always needed someone to hold his hand when it comes to the run game. That's a well established fact.

 

[OmerV]

It's no coincidence that he's consistently had running game "helpers" since he's been here in Dallas. From the late Tony Sparano, to the short-lived Dan Reeves deal, to Bill Callahan, to Scott Linehan, Garrett has always needed someone to hold his hand when it comes to the run game. That's a well established fact.

The odd thing is Linehan’s background was as a pass heavy coach, so being run heavy was against his instincts. I even remember Linehan saying back in 2014 how odd it was and how he had to re-train his brain to be in charge of a run heavy offense. It was as if Garrett told Linehan he wanted that kind of offense, and entrusted him to be disciplined in maintaining a consistent running game even though Garrett himself couldn’t do it when he was the OC.

 

[Stash]

The odd thing is Linehan’s background was as a pass heavy coach, so being run heavy was against his instincts. I even remember Linehan saying back in 2014 how odd it was and how he had to re-train his brain to be in charge of a run heavy offense. It was as if Garrett told Linehan he wanted that kind of offense, and entrusted him to be disciplined in maintaining a consistent running game even though Garrett himself couldn’t do it when he was the OC.

On the nose! And it's one of the reasons why I was against the Linehan hire in the first place. Two pass-happy peas in a pod. But Linehan surprised me some with what he did, but I still feel he was too quick to get away from the run game at the first sign of adversity or talk himself out of using it. Even so, he was still far better at it than Garrett was.

The lesser of two evils in my opinion.

 

[OmerV]

Great analogy Coach. There’s a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Garrett has football knowledge in large quantities but he lacks the nuance and timing that comes with football wisdom. Great coaches have football wisdom. It’s way more than just knowing football “stuff”. Garrett reminds me of a math teacher who has all the formulas memorized but can’t do anything involving creativity and practical applications outside those formulas.

This is how I see Garrett. His knowledge of the game and how to teach it can lead to a certain amount of success, but he is lacking the instincts and creativity to make the most of his knowledge.

 

[lukin2006]

Garrett's offense is top 5 in the DFW metroplex.

 

[Diehardblues]

And yet, our offenses were typically in the top ten under Garrett in terms of their points/series. Despite all the arm chair second-guessing.

This^^^^

 

[Diehardblues]

There is no evidence to say JG didn’t have a hand in Moore getting the OC job either. All anyone can do is speculate.

Right... but that’s what we do on a fan forum.

Unfortunately, we’re probably limited on prospects within our dysfunctional organization.

 

[Diehardblues]

Has this been proven? I admit, I do not know at this point. I had kinda thought Moore was JG's boy.

Yea, unfortunately our prospects were probably limited within our dysfunctional organization and Garrett said why not give Moore a shot. Or Jerry or Stephen suggested it and Jason said why not.

 

[OmerV]

Right... but that’s what we do on a fan forum.

Unfortunately, we’re probably limited on prospects within our dysfunctional organization.

I understand, I just think it’s fair to say we don’t know either way rather than just leaving it as if there is only a lack of evidence on one side.

 

[Diehardblues]

He might just be a football idiot.

Garrett reminds me of an actor. One that can memorize his lines but does not really understand how they fit into the story. He can deliver them at any time, even out of sequence, but has a problem with understanding how the parts make up the whole. And If the screenwriter makes some last minute changes, in game adjustments, he's still stuck with the lines he's memorized. And that's the key, memorized. He's memorized these plays over his playing and coaching career but has he truly understood the meaning and timing of them?

What attracts me with Garrett is how he’s helped develop a better culture and stability within the dysfunctional organization under Jethro.

 

[Diehardblues]

I understand, I just think it’s fair to say we don’t know either way rather than just leaving it as if there is only a lack of evidence on one side.

Yep

Who’s idea was it to make Moore QB coach ? Nobody cared. Lol

 

[Dre11]

In a very interesting article yesterday by Kevin Sherrington, (of that Dallas newspaper we cannot mention) Jason Garrett is going out of his way this week to ensure that Kellen Moore is NOT perceived as getting too much credit for the “new” offense or that Moore is in total control of the Cowboys offense in 2019.


Stop, stop using part of what he says and trying to find something negative . He said many times that Moore is doing a great job, taking command of the offense, taking command of the room, and LEADING.
He also said yes it's collaborative with Kitna, the TE coach. He also said it's not much change as everyone interviewed about the offense. But of course Bob finds something to turn negative.
According to Sherrington, Garrett has more than once this week been careful to say publicly he is (quoting Sherrington) “less interested in a Sean McVay starter kit than in implying the new guy hasn't reinvented anything.”

In his press conference Thursday, when describing the changes being made to the offense this year, Garrett on 3 occasions said, “this work is collaborative.” Some other interesting Garrett quotes from that press conference : "He's (Moore) been with us a few years and he has a good feel for how we want to do things"; "He's not doing it by himself"; and "he’s Injecting some new ideas and finding some old ideas” ... “making it collaborative” ... “to go with what this offense is going to be all about,” and “We’re not recreating our base offense”.

Does this sound like a guy who has turned the keys to the offense over to Kellen Moore?

Whatever Garrett thinks about “his offense”, it was crystal clear last year that something new was needed. Even with the much needed improvement at mid-season from the Amari Cooper trade, the Cowboys finished 22nd in scoring last year. That was the lowest of any other team that made the playoffs. Since 2016, when the Cowboys offense bludgeoned its opponents, the offense has been the most predictable and easy to prepare for in the NFL (Just ask the rams) It’s pretty obvious changes are needed.

So this raises some key questions:
1. Is this Garrett’s message to Kellen Moore or to fans and the media?
2. Why is Garrett so intent on saying publicly that this is still “his offense”?
3. Is Garrett feeling threatened by the presence of Kellen Moore and if so, why?

So far this offseason, the biggest question going into the 2019 season seems to be centered on how much change and new ideas Garrett will allow young Kellen Moore to inject. And...is Garrett feeling threatened?

Stop, stop using part of what he says and trying to find something negative . He said many times that Moore is doing a great job, taking command of the offense, taking command of the room, and LEADING.
He also said yes it's collaborative with Kitna, the TE coach. He also said it's not much change as everyone interviewed about the offense. But of course Bob finds something to turn negative.
Which is the same thing Jerry said from the beginning

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly. However, he'd still make brilliant playcalling at times. He seemed clueless as to the flow of the game, though, which is what you're referring to, and doesn't have a clue how to run the ball effectively.

Like what? I have never seen any kind of brilliance from Garrett in play calling or scheme. Its an old scheme, simple scheme...………"takes what the defense give you" has been his mantra.

 

[408Cowboy]

He’s the owner. He’s capable of doing whatever he wants.

I think there’s not a shred of evidence that suggests he did, though.

I think we may be seeing history repeat itself.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Great analogy Coach. There’s a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Garrett has football knowledge in large quantities but he lacks the nuance and timing that comes with football wisdom. Great coaches have football wisdom. It’s way more than just knowing football “stuff”. Garrett reminds me of a math teacher who has all the formulas memorized but can’t do anything involving creativity and practical applications outside those formulas.

Also nothing innovative or creative about the mind of Garrett. No original ideas of his own. He's not even good at copying other people.

 

[Dre11]

Yeah, it’s really weird to suddenly hear Jason Garrett talk about a collaborative approach to building the team all of a sudden. Out of nowhere. For the very first time, ever. Shocking, even.

Like the sarcasm...lol they're out in full form today this is the same message that has been put out from day one.

 

[408Cowboy]

He did it in 2013 with Bill Callahan.

Hell it's exactly how Garrett got hired in the first place.