Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

[Hadenough]

The Cowboy's FO have seen enough from Dak to know they want to retain his services beyond his current contract so why not save some money by re-signing him early?

They do want to sign him early. Its Dak and his agent that are asking for too much. There are players all the time who out play their contract and dont get paid they just wait knowing they have a pay day coming. If Dak wants 34 mil than let him wait. There has to be an incentive on the Cowboys end to do the deal early. You act like Dak isnt going to get paid. He will they just need to agree on the numbers. I disagree though that they have seen enough from Dak to agree on the numbers. Dak needs to get better and thats what everyone wants to see. I think the QB salaries have gotten completely out of hand and there are a handful of guys out there who are way overpaid. If you believe in fair distribution of wealth for players that have earned it how do you feel about Zeke?

 

[Hadenough]

Did he have any MVP votes? Is he possibly the most overrated player in the league? It's funny you have to be a Dak hater to say he's average. Ok Cowboys fans you have believed it every year, THE COWBOYS have the most talented roster..........

When you look at an NFL QB you cant just look at the wins you have to look at the stats. The stats cover a broad range and Dak has some good, avg and poor statistics. But over all they point to avg to slightly better than avg. ITS the stats calling him avg not the people. Their just looking at the stats.

 

[sean10mm]

Cowboys fans were screaming at Romo for compiling "empty stats" and wished for a more conservative game manager.

Dak gave those people everything they wanted and now they hate him... for not having Romo's stats.

It's almost like the QB isn't even really the underlying problem with this franchise since 1996, and fans are just flailing at the QB blindly because the QB is the team figurehead and easiest target.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

When you look at an NFL QB you cant just look at the wins you have to look at the stats. The stats cover a broad range and Dak has some good, avg and poor statistics. But over all they point to avg to slightly better than avg. ITS the stats calling him avg not the people. Their just looking at the stats.

There are those who quote Dak's stats - wins, 4th quarter winning drives, etc. to show he's better than average, after which others scream that stats don't tell the story.

Then there are those that say his stats aren't that great, but he wins games, division titles, etc. after which others scream stats are what matters.

Those are contrasting viewpoints, but in reality you have to judge a quarterback by both, though of course wins are more important, after all your ultimate goal is to win the SB, which you can't do if you don't win games to be able to get there.

But to harp on stats or wins alone just isn't realistic. There are numerous quarterbacks with gaudy stats that never won the big game - Marino, Kelly, Moon. And there are quarterbacks who won SBs but haven't got the stats - Plunkett, Johnson, Dilfer.

Yes the quarterback is important, but having the super great quarterback isn't the only way to win a SB, so to insist Dak needs to be replaced because he's not a Brady, Aikman, etc. is taking a narrow view as a Cowboys fan....

 

[acr731]

I hope Dak counteroffers himself out of a job. Win some meaningful playoff games first, then demand more money. Thats how that works.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I hope Dak counteroffers himself out of a job. Win some meaningful playoff games first, then demand more money. Thats how that works.

I have to agree. I think the team would be foolish to pay him that kind of money, based on the body of work, to this point.

 

[Fwed]

Jeff Cavanaugh did a podcast with the Eagles writers over a Bleeding Green Nation discussing Prescott and his contract. He said this at one point and it's spot on............



He's right. If you think you have a great to elite QB that deserves $32MM or more, then you can't turn around and then say we have to bring Elliott back at a huge number because he makes the offense go. It doesn't make a shred of sense.

The Cowboys are stuck, unfortunately.

Bingo. this is so obvious to me. And it's not just an Eagles fan piling on. I will admit where the Cowboys are great...Zeke...but Dak, seemingly a heck of a nice guy, is just not a 'great' QB.

 

[JoeKing]

They do want to sign him early. Its Dak and his agent that are asking for too much. There are players all the time who out play their contract and dont get paid they just wait knowing they have a pay day coming. If Dak wants 34 mil than let him wait. There has to be an incentive on the Cowboys end to do the deal early. You act like Dak isnt going to get paid. He will they just need to agree on the numbers. I disagree though that they have seen enough from Dak to agree on the numbers. Dak needs to get better and thats what everyone wants to see. I think the QB salaries have gotten completely out of hand and there are a handful of guys out there who are way overpaid. If you believe in fair distribution of wealth for players that have earned it how do you feel about Zeke?

How do you know what is "too much" for the Cowboys FO? You are the one acting like Dak isn't going to get paid because he asked for "too much". Are you going to cry when they agree on numbers "too high"? Or just hate more on Dak? No one cares what you think because you are a hater. Hate is what you do. So hate away and when Dak gets paid "too much" then you can hate some more.

 

[Fwed]

There are those who quote Dak's stats - wins, 4th quarter winning drives, etc. to show he's better than average, after which others scream that stats don't tell the story.

Then there are those that say his stats aren't that great, but he wins games, division titles, etc. after which others scream stats are what matters.

Those are contrasting viewpoints, but in reality you have to judge a quarterback by both, though of course wins are more important, after all your ultimate goal is to win the SB, which you can't do if you don't win games to be able to get there.

But to harp on stats or wins alone just isn't realistic. There are numerous quarterbacks with gaudy stats that never won the big game - Marino, Kelly, Moon. And there are quarterbacks who won SBs but haven't got the stats - Plunkett, Johnson, Dilfer.

Yes the quarterback is important, but having the super great quarterback isn't the only way to win a SB, so to insist Dak needs to be replaced because he's not a Brady, Aikman, etc. is taking a narrow view as a Cowboys fan....

Dak on a rookie deal is a great asset. Dak at 34M a year is a detriment to the team's success.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How do you know what is "too much" for the Cowboys FO? You are the one acting like Dak isn't going to get paid because he asked for "too much". Are you going to cry when they agree on numbers "too high"? Or just hate more on Dak? No one cares what you think because you are a hater. Hate is what you do. So hate away and when Dak gets paid "too much" then you can hate some more.

We know that there is a hard cap. I mean, we know that we have several players that are coming due. I think you can make some assumptions there, based on those factors alone.

 

[JoeKing]

We know that there is a hard cap. I mean, we know that we have several players that are coming due. I think you can make some assumptions there, based on those factors alone.

"Too much" and what Dak is asking, are not necessarily mutually exclusive things. Assuming they are one and the same is just a mistake many fans are making when in reality Dak undershot the moon by millions of dollars. Maybe the FO is just waiting on a time frame to announce the agreement rather than a better offer from Dak. Who knows anything that posts around here? You go ahead and make your assumptions, It's a free country, my brother.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

"Too much" and what Dak is asking, are not necessarily mutually exclusive things. Assuming they are one and the same is just a mistake many fans are making when in reality Dak undershot the moon by millions of dollars. Maybe the FO is just waiting on a time frame to announce the agreement rather than a better offer from Dak. Who knows anything that posts around here? You go ahead and make your assumptions, It's a free country, my brother.

On the contrary, I think you can do the numbers and see that if you pay Dak at 34 mil per, over several years, somebody isn't getting signed and that's probably Zeke. I don't know why you would think that all of it is assumption. It's not, you can do the numbers yourself. It's convenient to use the word assumption because it kind of dismisses an opinion, so to speak. That's not what's going on here.

If you take that position, then you also admit that Dak being worth 34 million is an assumption as well. There has been no team that has offered to pay Dak that kind of money. That would qualify as assumption as well. See how that game works?

 

[JoeKing]

On the contrary, I think you can do the numbers and see that if you pay Dak at 34 mil per, over several years, somebody isn't getting signed and that's probably Zeke. I don't know why you would think that all of it is assumption. It's not, you can do the numbers yourself. It's convenient to use the word assumption because it kind of dismisses an opinion, so to speak. That's not what's going on here.

If you take that position, then you also admit that Dak being worth 34 million is an assumption as well. There has been no team that has offered to pay Dak that kind of money. That would qualify as assumption as well. See how that game works?

You are the one that brought the word assumption into the discussion. If you don't like it then don't bring it up. But then you go and make assumptive statements anyway.

 

[csirl]

Dak's leverage is overstated. The Cowboys can tag him for at least two seasons if Dak wants to be ridiculous and ask for a crazy contract.

The reason Daks agent is jumping up and down looking for a contract is because he knows that there's too big a risk of either or both of the following:

1. Dak has a poor season.
2. Garretts contract isnt renewed.

All the leaverage is with the team. They dont need to do anything until early 2020.

 

[Rockport]

When you look at an NFL QB you cant just look at the wins you have to look at the stats. The stats cover a broad range and Dak has some good, avg and poor statistics. But over all they point to avg to slightly better than avg. ITS the stats calling him avg not the people. Their just looking at the stats.

Yet Romo had outstanding stats and the haters here hated him with a passion. Continuously posting his win loss record. Now because Dak has the wins/losses but not Romo's stats they're taking the opposite take.

 

[Rockport]

The reason Daks agent is jumping up and down looking for a contract is because he knows that there's too big a risk of either or both of the following:

1. Dak has a poor season.
2. Garretts contract isnt renewed.

All the leaverage is with the team. They dont need to do anything until early 2020.

Dak's never had a poor season so that ain't happening unless you consider getting injured a poor season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You are the one that brought the word assumption into the discussion. If you don't like it then don't bring it up. But then you go and make assumptive statements anyway.

I love the word but if you are going to use it, don't get your feelings hurt because of what the implications are. What I said is exactly true. You assume that there is a team out there who is willing to pay 34 mil per year. Show me one team that has made that known or accept that this entire line of thought is an assumption.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Dak on a rookie deal is a great asset. Dak at 34M a year is a detriment to the team's success.

The $34 million is "new money". This is his last rookie year deal, at about $2.5 million. Add a 4 year deal at $34 mil and that makes him the quarterback for 5 years a $27.70 million. Are you saying that's too much? And what if he plays out his rookie deal and wins another playoff game, or maybe 2. Think he'll take $34 mil then? Doubtful.

$34 mil a year now will be a bargain (not talking performance, that's unknown, just talking money) 2-3 years from now. Cousins gets $28 mil and has never won a playoff game, career record of 34-37-2. Wilson's already at $35 mil.

Of course that supposes Dak gets better, I can understand those who want to wait until after this year. Just saying that waiting carries its own risk, you need every cap dollar you can get every year, saving $2-3 mil now just might make the difference between grabbing a needed free agent or keeping a Martin or VanderEsch, etc.

There's no black or white answer, as to if you give him $34 mil now....

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Dak's never had a poor season so that ain't happening unless you consider getting injured a poor season.

Yes, and Garrett's contract not getting renewed is bad for Dak?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

You assume that there is a team out there who is willing to pay 34 mil per year. Show me one team that has made that known or accept that this entire line of thought is an assumption.

Teams can't say that, that's tampering....