Twitter: Cowboys have won their division 24 times in 59 seasons, the best percentage in the NFL

[jazzcat22]

Why not. The nba of the 50s and 60s isnt even close to the same game as it is today. Comparing baseball players , especially pitchers from the 40s to pitchers of today is ridiculous.

Salary Cap era vs non is the same thing. The scrutiny on teams today never allows Tom Landry to exist. He would have been fired long before he started winning.

6 years before he had a .500 season. He also had a 10 year contract.
So it wasn't like he could be fired that easily.

To me fans that want to say cap vs no cap and all that, are just looking for ways to cherry pick if they or want need to.
I understand that though for certain things, like building and maintaining a team. Which yes, NE has been the best. But also just about every one of their trips to the SB has had some type of controversy to it. But there is no asterisk to that either.

Look how many times it has been said, Jimmy could not do in Miami as he did in Dallas because of the cap. Or was it he hit some lightning in a bottle here with Jerry at his side, great trades and such. No asterisk there either.

Sports is still sports, NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL, others are all still basically there same. Players are bigger, faster, stronger, with all the emphasis put on training and modern medicine, stupid rule changes. But the are still basically played the same way, like 95%.

So where does one want to cut it off at. Rule change 1, rule change 5, salary cap. pre SB or after. AFL / NFL merger, I mean why should AFL stats count with NFL stat. They were 2 separate leagues.

It is my opinion, your opinion, anther persons opinion, so I guess no right or wrong answer. It is how someone wants to view it.

To me, it is all part of the NFL history. I am sure if Bellicheck breaks Landry's record, there will be those on both sides, saying why one was better than the other. And there will be many reasons for and against both ways.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why not. The nba of the 50s and 60s isnt even close to the same game as it is today. Comparing baseball players , especially pitchers from the 40s to pitchers of today is ridiculous.

Salary Cap era vs non is the same thing. The scrutiny on teams today never allows Tom Landry to exist. He would have been fired long before he started winning.

True

All you can be is best or greatest of your era. Any other comparisons are very subjective.

I’m not sure we can say anyone has dominated an era in NFL like Belichick and Brady have ?

 

[Reid1boys]

6 years before he had a .500 season. He also had a 10 year contract.
So it wasn't like he could be fired that easily.

To me fans that want to say cap vs no cap and all that, are just looking for ways to cherry pick if they or want need to.
I understand that though for certain things, like building and maintaining a team. Which yes, NE has been the best. But also just about every one of their trips to the SB has had some type of controversy to it. But there is no asterisk to that either.

Look how many times it has been said, Jimmy could not do in Miami as he did in Dallas because of the cap. Or was it he hit some lightning in a bottle here with Jerry at his side, great trades and such. No asterisk there either.

Sports is still sports, NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL, others are all still basically there same. Players are bigger, faster, stronger, with all the emphasis put on training and modern medicine, stupid rule changes. But the are still basically played the same way, like 95%.

So where does one want to cut it off at. Rule change 1, rule change 5, salary cap. pre SB or after. AFL / NFL merger, I mean why should AFL stats count with NFL stat. They were 2 separate leagues.

It is my opinion, your opinion, anther persons opinion, so I guess no right or wrong answer. It is how someone wants to view it.

To me, it is all part of the NFL history. I am sure if Bellicheck breaks Landry's record, there will be those on both sides, saying why one was better than the other. And there will be many reasons for and against both ways.

Pitching in Baeball today is so much better than 40 years ago, it isnt even close. Analytics has completely changed the game of baseball. Spray charts show every single hit a players has had in his entire career, and now defense adjust to that spray chart. The shift was never heard of in baseball until relaitively recently. How many hits do these guys have taken away due to the shift?? A ton.

Back in the 70s, did they have specialist pitchers that came in for 1-2 hitters? Starters started and finished games routinely... now, 6 innings and they are done.

Basketball.... same game? You ,ust be kidding? The game today resembles the basketball I grew up on as they dribble a ball from one side of the court to the other when posessions changes... but the three point line has made the game I grew up on EXTINCT.

The salary cap and free agency as well as the amazing number of rule changes that have made defense damn near impossible to play have changed the NFL game, maybe more than the others.... as far as keeping a team together. Yeah, they still wear helmets and throw a funny shaped pigskin, but to compare the past teams with today's teams is insane.

Im not gonna spend the time to do any reserach, but there were not many teams that went fro mcrapola to a superbowl in 1 season back in the 70s. Now??? Happens damn near every year. There is a reason for that, and it isnt coincidence.

 

[CouchCoach]

Ya know, I get the frustration with the last 23 years thang and posters being upset with Booger but if we back off and take of the blue and silver glasses and just look at this objectively, has he really been that bad, except for the selection of coaches? And he's not been good at picking QB's but he has a lot of company with that.

Who else, save one guy, has really figured this out? He's made some questionable moves like 2 fer Galloway and Williams and he's a risk taker for sure but has he not erred on the side of action? His lack of success is not from the lack of effort, he doesn't stop trying to fix it.

It looked so easy in the first 6 years yet that same HC struggled at MIA to create magic. Good HC's and GMs have failed to the tune of a 20-25% turnover every year and that wasn't there before this got so hard to do in the cap era. The margin for error and the impact of injury have caused more management turnover than ever before and shorter time periods to get it done. Booger admitted one of his failings with Gailey was impatience

Booger and Garrett are terrible yet they've won their division 3 of the last 5 years. Their playoff success leaves a lot to be desired but these last five seasons are not that string with Campo or the Parcells' years. This has been a good, not great, team but good is not good enough for some.

And let's not forget the shape of the Cowboys under the old regime in the late 80's. That was a disaster and laughing stock of the NFL and if any of the other suitors buys the team, what's the likelihood of what happened 92-95? Jimmy gets all the glory but who went against the grain and hired a college coach? And then has the good sense to let him build it.

Booger still annoys me but not his GMing. He's learned to listen to different voices and that shot from the war room with the discussion regarding trading or taking McGovern, that was not your grandad's Booger. That was a GM standing by his board and following the plan. I think Booger bashing has become so habitual that we just unload on him about everything. There are others that have done far worse jobs than he has and it is nothing but conjecture that any other GM would have done better.

Booger didn't buy the team, or try to buy the Chargers prior to that, like any other owner, as an investment. He bought it to run it and has never, and will never, have any other intention other than that. Give the man credit, he does learn from his mistakes.

 

[cern]

I like jerry the man. I abhor jerry the gm. thankfully, Stephen, the current ad hoc gm of the cowboys grasps things far better than his father. he understands drafting for talent and also for the contingency of losing a star to free agency. we're covered well at rt when we lose la'el Collins after this season. he doesn't tolerate malcontents. he holds coaches accountable. the apple fell far from the tree.

 

[Reid1boys]

True

All you can be is best or greatest of your era. Any other comparisons are very subjective.

I’m not sure we can say anyone has dominated an era in NFL like Belichick and Brady have ?

Again... no way in hell statuesque Tom Brady could play thisl ong if he played in the 70s and 80s. Lok at the shots Montana, Roger, Bradshaw, hell, even Aikman took WELL after they threw the ball. They took those shots because defenses tried to get them out of games. Try that today and your *** is suspended and fined big bucks. This is the ONLY reason a slow Tom Brady can be playing at age 40. Roger Staubach retired at 38 and if Im not mistaken led the league in passing that year. He was at the top of his game, but he simply could not take more hits and more concussions on thos concrete fields they played on. You think Brady would still be playing today if he played back then?

I love seeing the old clips of games from the past... and then Im loike.... that would be illegal, that would have been a suspension, thats a fine. Some of the greatest plays in NFL history would be illegal today. Remember that Shot the Raider sDB put on the Steelers in the title game that Harris caught and ran for a TD... that hit is illegal all day today. Ronnie Lott or George Lynch wouldnt have had careers if they played today. Hell, even Reggie White and his signature club to the head of the olineman move isnt allowed today.

Brady is great, but this is why I hate hearing he is the GOAT. Montana playing in todays game isnt s great at Brady? Imagine Roger with his athleticism, smarts and leadership playig in todays , dont touch the QB rules??? yeah, Ill take Roger.

 

[Ranched]

tldr Giants 27%, Commanders 17%, Crapeaters 16%
larger image of the chart...

You KNOW it's bad when 'Boys fans try to find something, ANYTHING, we can brag about. Unfortunately, the pickings are getting very slim.
Nice find Shorty!

 

[Diehardblues]

Again... no way in hell statuesque Tom Brady could play thisl ong if he played in the 70s and 80s. Lok at the shots Montana, Roger, Bradshaw, hell, even Aikman took WELL after they threw the ball. They took those shots because defenses tried to get them out of games. Try that today and your *** is suspended and fined big bucks. This is the ONLY reason a slow Tom Brady can be playing at age 40. Roger Staubach retired at 38 and if Im not mistaken led the league in passing that year. He was at the top of his game, but he simply could not take more hits and more concussions on thos concrete fields they played on. You think Brady would still be playing today if he played back then?

I love seeing the old clips of games from the past... and then Im loike.... that would be illegal, that would have been a suspension, thats a fine. Some of the greatest plays in NFL history would be illegal today. Remember that Shot the Raider sDB put on the Steelers in the title game that Harris caught and ran for a TD... that hit is illegal all day today. Ronnie Lott or George Lynch wouldnt have had careers if they played today. Hell, even Reggie White and his signature club to the head of the olineman move isnt allowed today.

Brady is great, but this is why I hate hearing he is the GOAT. Montana playing in todays game isnt s great at Brady? Imagine Roger with his athleticism, smarts and leadership playig in todays , dont touch the QB rules??? yeah, Ill take Roger.

I understand and why those arguments are subjective in nature.

I’d agree with most of your assessments . But also remember those greats in the past basically had much of the same supporting cast for most of their career without the salary cap and unlimited free agency. Always contributing factors.

I think Brady’s label is of course subjective too but again I’m not sure anyone has dominated an era like Brady, Bill and the Pats.

 

[CouchCoach]

True

All you can be is best or greatest of your era. Any other comparisons are very subjective.

I’m not sure we can say anyone has dominated an era in NFL like Belichick and Brady have ?

No, their era has out run the Packers, Steelers, Niners and Cowboys and all four built better teams, imo. But they didn't build as good different teams as Belichick has. Brady is the only constant. And I disagree that it's all about him. I think Belichick has a much better chance at getting 6 with a different QB than Brady does with a different HC.

What makes Belichick the only guy to figure this out is he is the only one this fits. Take away the cap and do we think he's as successful? The cap era was made for him and his kind of thinking.

Other GM's and HC's think of their team in terms of length just like Booger is looking at this team and trying to keep it together to jump through that window before it comes undone. Belichick is year to year and is probably already thinking about 2020 and who to replace.

We talk about systems and schemes and he's devised the perfect one for the cap era and FA, his defense is designed for the times. He changes out the players and continually fields a strong D and usually a top 3 scoring one. And what makes that wacky to me is his D is the hardest to play because he'll change it week to week but all you have to do is read about what his players say about the game prep the day before the game and the mental part of it to know he's probably the best D mind to ever coach at any level.

 

[viman96]

bwhahaha birds only 14 div titles in 86 years and skins 15 in 87 years?

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Thanks Tom

And Jerry! (11 of those are his)

 

[CouchCoach]

So Dave Campo is the only Dallas coach never to make the playoffs.

In all fairness to him, he was forced to accept that coaching staff and felt the brunt of FA head on as it unraveled before his eyes. But, he was not meant to be a HC like a lot of coordinators aren't. They fail every year.

 

[cern]

belichik is absolute greatness. no one else comes close. mentored by the great parcells, and then becoming the master himself.

 

[CouchCoach]

Would be great to debate how Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Noll and Walsh would have done with the cap/FA. Think they could have held those great teams together?

But, on the other side of that, I do not think Belichick would have been as successful in their era because if you look at it closely, he makes mistakes in the draft and uses FA to cover for himself. He is a far better judge of talent once he's seen it play at the NFL level than he is before that.

 

[CouchCoach]

belichik is absolute greatness. no one else comes close. mentored by the great parcells, and then becoming the master himself.

And ya know, I say I don't like his personality, or lack of, and that game he plays in press conferences but he's the mad scientist, shouldn't he be quirky? Screw the cutoff sweatshirt sleeves, put the hoodie up and levitate into the press conference and hover about the podium.

And I believe it was actually Belichick that mentored Parcells in defense.

 

[Diehardblues]

No, their era has out run the Packers, Steelers, Niners and Cowboys and all four built better teams, imo. But they didn't build as good different teams as Belichick has. Brady is the only constant. And I disagree that it's all about him. I think Belichick has a much better chance at getting 6 with a different QB than Brady does with a different HC.

What makes Belichick the only guy to figure this out is he is the only one this fits. Take away the cap and do we think he's as successful? The cap era was made for him and his kind of thinking.

Other GM's and HC's think of their team in terms of length just like Booger is looking at this team and trying to keep it together to jump through that window before it comes undone. Belichick is year to year and is probably already thinking about 2020 and who to replace.

We talk about systems and schemes and he's devised the perfect one for the cap era and FA, his defense is designed for the times. He changes out the players and continually fields a strong D and usually a top 3 scoring one. And what makes that wacky to me is his D is the hardest to play because he'll change it week to week but all you have to do is read about what his players say about the game prep the day before the game and the mental part of it to know he's probably the best D mind to ever coach at any level.

Yep . Pats not greatest team of all time. Those others from past much greater teams but none dominated in this fashion for more than a decade.

Bill is definitely greatest defensive Guru of this era which begun against “ Greatest Show on Earth”. Brady’s “ money” performance as I call it has made it easier for Bills mgmt of Cap.

I’m not sure either have as much success without the other. Just a perfect fit for this era. It’s been wonderful to watch in an otherwise boring era with crap teams mostly with some of the greatest QB’s to ever play.

That’s what the NFL has become. It’s a league centered around the QB more than ever . In Cap era the only one all teams usually protect and hang on to. It’s why I place such emphasis on the position and haven’t felt we’ve had one of those who can overcome all of our weaknesses from the top to the bottom in our dysfunctional organization.

 

[gimmesix]

Well I guess Tomlin doesnt get any credit for his first three or so years coaching either tehn, since that team was built by Cowher. No SB win for Tomlin.

Not sure that's exactly what I was saying.

Phillips gets the credit even though Parcells built the team. What Phillips did was take the talent Parcells accumulated, especially on defense, and elevate it, which is part of the reason he has two division titles. Based on what we saw from Phillips over the next 3 1/2 years after he won his first with Dallas, he would not have been able to assemble the talent he inherited or even have it be as disciplined, as the team slipped in both of those areas during his time as coach.

All I'm doing is acknowledging the fact that Parcells did build those teams. I do agree that Cowher also put a lot of the structure in place for Tomlin that helped him get a Super Bowl victory.

 

[Diehardblues]

And ya know, I say I don't like his personality, or lack of, and that game he plays in press conferences but he's the mad scientist, shouldn't he be quirky? Screw the cutoff sweatshirt sleeves, put the hoodie up and levitate into the press conference and hover about the podium.

And I believe it was actually Belichick that mentored Parcells in defense.

I like his attitude. Couldn’t care less what others think. This is how I’m running my show. The confidence and arrogance is something I can gravitate to and embrace.

And what fan wouldn’t want the cheating if it produced those results? Why the hell couldn't Jerry figure out cheating like that? Lol

 

[TexasHillbilly]

why? They went to 4 SBs in the 70s, and had one of the best offenses with Carter and Moss... they have been solid most of my life.

The Fran and purple people eaters era was great. Always in the Cowboys way during the playoffs.

 

[CouchCoach]

I like his attitude. Couldn’t care less what others think. This is how I’m running my show. The confidence and arrogance is something I can gravitate to and embrace.

And what fan wouldn’t want the cheating if it produced those results? Why the hell couldn't Jerry figure out cheating like that? Lol

The cheating is a yawn to me as what effect did that have? Stealing signals from the Jets? Would SD have scored 5 more TDs with properly inflated balls?

Belichick would be the perfect type commander of the armed forces...cold, calculating and cutthroat and it's all about winning. He lives Lombardi's famous saying "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing".

And part of his mojo is getting in the head of the opposing coach. He was in Reid's and McVay's heads before they ever kicked off. McVay admitted as much. They give 3 points for homefield, they need to add 3 for Belichick.