The false perception Stephen is running Cowboys Football

[Diehardblues]

Hey, if you choose to believe the doom and gloom kill myself take, then more the power to you.

I’m not sure why believing Jerry is still making final decisions while listening to greater influences is considered “ doom and gloom”?

But this would explain why we have a segment of fans who want to believe Stephen is running Cowboys Football because they apparently want to believe Son provides more hope. I’m not sure that would necessarily be the case.

In fact if I was to credit someone for a greater collaborative influence over Jerry I’d begin with Jason not Stephen. We can document the better decisions of influence to when Garrett took over in 2011 when coincidentally is about when fans want to credit Stephen “taking over”.

 

[gjkoeppen]

There is a plethora of proof but you’re just blinded by your hate.

List all of this verifiable proof that Jerry isn't still running things. Proof not just conjecture here by7 fans that don't like Jerry. BTW I said that I'm not a big fan of Jerry but never said I hated him. I like some things he's done and not so much on others but no hatred.
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[gjkoeppen]

I don't need to defend Belechek's record. It speaks quite nicely for itself and will one day land him in the HOF. Garret is a bumbling moron in comparison.

As I've said Belecheat has been great in NE but the user who tried to use his years in cleveland as some kind of measuring stick by saying he got them into the playoffs was cherry picking a single year in a losing record there.
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[CouchCoach]

Its the chicken or the egg debate. It's like that for a lot of great QB/coach combinations.

BB was 5-11 his 1st year with the pats. He was 0-2 to start his 2nd season when Bledsoe went down in game 2. So its not just his Cleveland days why some give Brady the credit. Who's to say if Bledsoe didn't get hurt they'd pull off what they did with Brady. Or if it was another QB besides Brady. If the season kept on track like the the first 2 games and the previous season, he might not even been the coach in 2002.

I think both could've been successful alone but to say BB would be just as successful with another QB, 6 rings, 9 super bowl appearances, however many championship appearances, playoffs every year except 2, so on and so on, is little silly and giving him too much credit.

They'd be good, or maybe even great without each other, but to say either would have the same success as they have had together is over the top considering we've never seen this type of success before.

You could be right, we'll never know. But Brady doesn't win like that without a top 10 D and run game.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Yeah, but he wasn't given a chance to build long enough. I mean, the sold the team for God Sake.

The ownership of the browns hadn't changed right before, during or right after belecheat's time as head coach. Belecheat's last year was the last year that brown team was in cleveland. The next season they were in baltimore and became the ravens. In the move to baltimore the league said they could take their coaches and players but some coaches decided they didn't want to make that move. Belecheat took a job with the jets.
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[gjkoeppen]

I say it again I don't care you're wrong. Believe what you want to believe. It's a team it's a franchise it's an organization it's not a Jerry Jones and you just repeated what I written to you. You do get that right. You said exactly what I said. Maybe you didn't bother reading

I say it again I don't care you're wrong. Believe what you want to believe. It's a team it's a franchise it's an organization it's not a Jerry Jones and you just repeated what I written to you. You do get that right. You said exactly what I said. Maybe you didn't bother reading

Whirlwin again you've given zero, nada, zip verifiable proof that Jerry isn't still running things. All you keep saying or implying is your opinion that he isn't.
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[Diehardblues]

List all of this verifiable proof that Jerry isn't still running things. Proof not just conjecture here by7 fans that don't like Jerry. BTW I said that I'm not a big fan of Jerry but never said I hated him. I like some things he's done and not so much on others but no hatred.
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Yea, this current generation appears to tag anyone who’s critical of something to be a hater. Like a label with an intention to lessen their message or discredit the messenger simply because they don’t like the message basically when their argument weakens or become frustrated.

 

[CouchCoach]

There is a plethora of proof but you’re just blinded by your hate.

Rocky, what is that proof? There is no proof because it's all conjecture on our part how things work with them anyway.

They get better in the draft and most give credit to McClay for that and I agree, however, it took Booger agreeing to bring him on and let him build the draft board but as we saw in this last draft, Booger still has the say on the player picked.

His son is making more appearances on radio and in interviews but none of that is in replacement of Booger, it's all in addition to, Booger has given up nothing.

All any of us have is what we hear and see and how we perceive and process that but it is not proof because no one has said anything about a change at GM and if they had changed it, the NFL would have been notified and the media would have been notified and they would have made a spectacle of that like they did the Witten retirement. They try to make everything into a big deal.

Is his son more involved? Surely, after 29 years on the job, one would hope that he's learned something and is more involved, if nothing more than influencing decisions. I believe it was his move to spend all 15 minutes with Manziel on his off the field behavior to get the seed planted in his old man's head. Booger was looking at the marquis while I think Son was thinking about the headlines.

 

[CouchCoach]

Whirlwin again you've given zero, nada, zip verifiable proof that Jerry isn't still running things. All you keep saying or implying is your opinion that he isn't.
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But opinion is all any of us have. We all look at the same things but come away with different conclusions and some of that is based on desire. I have yet to see one poster that isn't in the Son's camp say he's in charge now.

Most are playing the "it seems better so it must be someone else" card without considering even an old man can change.

 

[Diehardblues]

Rocky, what is that proof? There is no proof because it's all conjecture on our part how things work with them anyway.

They get better in the draft and most give credit to McClay for that and I agree, however, it took Booger agreeing to bring him on and let him build the draft board but as we saw in this last draft, Booger still has the say on the player picked.

His son is making more appearances on radio and in interviews but none of that is in replacement of Booger, it's all in addition to, Booger has given up nothing.

All any of us have is what we hear and see and how we perceive and process that but it is not proof because no one has said anything about a change at GM and if they had changed it, the NFL would have been notified and the media would have been notified and they would have made a spectacle of that like they did the Witten retirement. They try to make everything into a big deal.

Is his son more involved? Surely, after 29 years on the job, one would hope that he's learned something and is more involved, if nothing more than influencing decisions. I believe it was his move to spend all 15 minutes with Manziel on his off the field behavior to get the seed planted in his old man's head. Booger was looking at the marquis while I think Son was thinking about the headlines.

Personally I’d have less confidence and hope in Cowboys Football if I believed Stephen was in control now.

I think Son serves a greater role as advising his dad in a collaborative effort with Jason and Will.

 

[Diehardblues]

But opinion is all any of us have. We all look at the same things but come away with different conclusions and some of that is based on desire. I have yet to see one poster that isn't in the Son's camp say he's in charge now.

Most are playing the "it seems better so it must be someone else" card without considering even an old man can change.

Yea, its all about wanting to believe the better mgmt we’ve seen overall in personnel decisions must mean Jerry’s isn’t still the final word.

They’re attempting to spin it as a positive sense. I’m not sure Stephen running Cowboys Football can be perceived as a positive spin. As I mentioned above if Son is in charge I’d actually have less hope. Especially assuming the rest of front office and coaching staff in place as such.

I’d have more hope if Stephen taking over meant a more normal organization in place with front office and coaching staff.

 

[gjkoeppen]

But opinion is all any of us have. We all look at the same things but come away with different conclusions and some of that is based on desire. I have yet to see one poster that isn't in the Son's camp say he's in charge now.

Most are playing the "it seems better so it must be someone else" card without considering even an old man can change.

I agree we all have opinions but when some say their opinions are actual facts as in this case where the users state as a matter of fact that Jerry isn't still running things is where some need to say give me some verifiable proof of that not just you opinion that he isn't.
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[Rockport]

Rocky, what is that proof? There is no proof because it's all conjecture on our part how things work with them anyway.

They get better in the draft and most give credit to McClay for that and I agree, however, it took Booger agreeing to bring him on and let him build the draft board but as we saw in this last draft, Booger still has the say on the player picked.

His son is making more appearances on radio and in interviews but none of that is in replacement of Booger, it's all in addition to, Booger has given up nothing.

All any of us have is what we hear and see and how we perceive and process that but it is not proof because no one has said anything about a change at GM and if they had changed it, the NFL would have been notified and the media would have been notified and they would have made a spectacle of that like they did the Witten retirement. They try to make everything into a big deal.

Is his son more involved? Surely, after 29 years on the job, one would hope that he's learned something and is more involved, if nothing more than influencing decisions. I believe it was his move to spend all 15 minutes with Manziel on his off the field behavior to get the seed planted in his old man's head. Booger was looking at the marquis while I think Son was thinking about the headlines.

The insiders at the Star talk about it quite often. Jones rubber stamps about everything that others in the organization bring to the table. How many times have you heard Garrett, Stephe and McClay sailed it’s a collaborative decision?

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree we all have opinions but when some say their opinions are actual facts as in this case where the users state as a matter of fact that Jerry isn't still running things is where some need to say give me some verifiable proof of that not just you opinion that he isn't.
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If you believe or have faith something to be true it’s only natural to present it to be fact. We’re all guilty of such. But If you truly want to use the facts then they are that Jerry is still GM and running Cowboys Football. One Jerry wouldn’t deny.

The rest is fans simply spinning events to support their opinions and narrative. Fake News as we’d call it today. A common practice in today’s media.

 

[atlantacowboy]

As I've said Belecheat has been great in NE but the user who tried to use his years in cleveland as some kind of measuring stick by saying he got them into the playoffs was cherry picking a single year in a losing record there.
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You can't even compare Belecheks Cleveland years to anything in the modern era. He was there prior to free agency when it took many years to build a team. He had Cleveland competitive and took steps forward every year. His error was letting Bernie Kosar leave without having a better option. His 4th year imploded due to the offense and poor QB play.

In any case, you could make the argument that his greatness wasn't quite as obvious in Cleveland b/c the results were not there. But, it can't be questioned now.

 

[cern]

I agree we all have opinions but when some say their opinions are actual facts as in this case where the users state as a matter of fact that Jerry isn't still running things is where some need to say give me some verifiable proof of that not just you opinion that he isn't.
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some opinions are based on good old fashioned sense. when jerry says dez will be a cowboy in 2018 and Stephen says he's a distraction that must be dealt with, and then dez is released outright, draw your own conclusion. common sense suggests Stephen made the decision. and it was a big one. when jerry says romo will regain his job when he returns from injury and dak remains the qb, common sense suggests stephen overrode jerry on that one, too. and these were two of the biggest decisions made by the cowboys in years. glean from those events what you will. and by the way, the egg came before the chicken. again, genetic commom sense.

 

[Diehardblues]

Fans continue to confuse or interpret strong influences as final decision makers.

It all goes back to Parcells astute assessment of Jerry.
“ have to convince him to go against his instincts”

We are basically seeing Stephen , Jason and Will collectively and probably in some instances separately have a greater influence on Jerry.

That doesn’t mean Jerry doesn’t still get the final word and running Cowboys Football.

 

[cern]

If you believe or have faith something to be true it’s only natural to present it to be fact. We’re all guilty of such. But If you truly want to use the facts then they are that Jerry is still GM and running Cowboys Football. One Jerry wouldn’t deny.

The rest is fans simply spinning events to support their opinions and narrative. Fake News as we’d call it today. A common practice in today’s media.

this is not quite correct. the facts are presented to support the opinion. those refusing to accept the facts are relying on their own opinion. there was a time when the majority of the worlds population thought the sun orbited the earth. two scientists presented facts to prove otherwise. but the other side refused to accept the facts.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

But opinion is all any of us have. We all look at the same things but come away with different conclusions and some of that is based on desire. I have yet to see one poster that isn't in the Son's camp say he's in charge now.

Most are playing the "it seems better so it must be someone else" card without considering even an old man can change.

There's always a bit of luck involved in personnel decisions, draft decisions, etc. No GM/HC has made 100% correct decisions. Back when Jerry was no doubt running things there were a couple of very good draft picks that unfortunately got injured and without those injuries, more success would have followed.

But I can't see Jerry not handing over some of the reins to Stephen, why else include Stephen in anything? And I also can't see Jerry not wanting the Cowboys to continue in success after he's gone, that's part of his legacy too - how he built a successful franchise that continued after his passing. Jerry didn't get where he is by being some sort of dictator, anybody who has any smarts at all knows he can't be all things, and welcomes help. As it was, if memory serves, Woodrow Wilson who said when asked how he ran his presidency, said "I use not only all the brains I have, but all I can borrow".

It's a matter of degree, not an either/or situation....

 

[Diehardblues]

this is not quite correct. the facts are presented to support the opinion. those refusing to accept the facts are relying on their own opinion. there was a time when the majority of the worlds population thought the sun orbited the earth. two scientists presented facts to prove otherwise. but the other side refused to accept the facts.

We have billions who still can’t agree on scientific evidence which clearly presents facts to support their theories on one of the greatest issues of this era.

But the facts can’t be refuted . Only the causes, effects and solutions are spun from these facts to support their beliefs, opinions and narrative.

We aren’t disputing the facts that there are greater decisions being made with Cowboys Football which we’ve seen before when Jerry’s has greater influence. That doesn’t mean Jerry still isn’t allowed the final word. All key people in power have advisers and consultants but they still make the final decision.

We currently collaboratively have a good core of influence with Jerry that are shaping the current culture but that doesn’t mean Jerry isn’t still the final word running Cowboys Football.