News: PFT: Ezekiel Elliott has privately said that he's planning a training-camp holdout

[bsbellomy]

If that's the case - then make all contracts performance based. I'm willing to bet the players would say no to that pretty quickly.

Sure because players get in good contracts just the same. Doesn't mean there aren't bad ones. Was just referring to the comment that Zeke's contract represented fair value.

 

[Reid1boys]

Zeke has every right to say that he is no longer willing to play under his current contract. It is then up to his employer to determine if it is worth while to rework his deal to his satisfaction. personally I would be OK with any of the following:

1. His current deal is basically a 4 year / 25 million dollar deal that is fully guaranteed with a 9 million dollar 5th year option. Agree to the 5th year / 9 million option and add 3 more years at 9 million per year. Basically a 4 year / 36 million dollar extension. Make half of it guaranteed as a signing bonus (18 million). Basically he signs his future contract early at a slightly reduced rate to get it done now.

2. Let him hold out. If he does not return fine him accordingly. Revisit next year.

3. Trade him for a first round draft pick provided the pick is projected to be near a top ten pick.

I dont pay that close attention to contracts, because I dont care whap players make, but isnt gurly in the 54 million range? I thought that is what I read today. If what I just said is correct, yo uthink Zeke is gonna take 20 million less than what Gurly got???

 

[bsbellomy]

Because they signed the contract and agreed to the terms. Thus, they are paid what they expected to be paid; ergo not underpaid in terms of expectation.

I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying. That the Cowboys should have an expectation of paying him what he agreed to? If channels exist for him to not play for what he agreed to then how is what you are saying correct?

 

[MyUserName]

Doesn't work that way.

TGuryley signed a new deal. The bonus was $21 million.

Zeke is nowhere near that on his current contract.

That is the problem.

The new Zeke deal has to have at least a $21 million signing bonus. Think in the neighborhood of $25 million.

Average deal will then be larger than Gurleys'. Zeke is currently 10th.

So the new deal with Zeke will be around 4 years / 60-70 million, with the 25 million bonus.

Then let him hold out and earn $0.

Then franchise tag his *** and if he holds out he can earn another $0.

This whole “that guy just signed a new contract so I want one” bull**** has to stop.

Honor the contract in place, then you can talk new figures.

Especially at RB....those Emmitt days are long over.

And especially with Zeke, since his off the field bs hasn’t gotten any cleaner.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I did do it factually, you just don't like the number I used. Full guarantees is irrelevant for Zeke because he's already gotten most of it. What a player has already earned is irrelevant in the context of a holdout.

But just for fun, over the next two years he's guaranteed just $3.8 million. If you include the 5th-year option and prorated bonus, that's ~$17m. Le'Veon and Gurley are guaranteed $19m and $18m and with pro-rated bonuses are at ~$23m and ~$28m. Over the next two years, Zeke is only making 70% of what they are, not even including roster bonuses ($16m for Bell, $7.5m for Gurley). You're really going to tell me that Bell, who also has a 500k per game bonus, could make $40+m if he's healthy, and Zeke should just accept $13m? Good luck with that.

Kinda the point, but it is very relevant in terms of a comparison. You try and make the point that Zeke is underpaid in comparison to McKinnon but you only want to show part of the picture. Well, Zeke is actually significantly higher paid. You can't have it both ways. No, not just for fun, tell the whole story. Zeke has among the best contract in terms of Fully guaranteed money in the sport. That's money he definitely is going to put in his pocket. Not money that is a lot of smoke. Only Bell, (27 Mil), Barkley (31 Mil) and Fournette (27 Mil) have better Fully Guaranteed money then does Elliott and that is only because all of those backs signed deals more recently. Elliott was treated very fairly by the Cowboys. You just choose to ignore that, so yeah, I'm going to tell you that Zeke should just accept the numbers of his contract. I will tell you, I don't feel like I need luck because at the end of the day, Elliott has no choice. He can sit and screw himself or he can play football and trust in Jerry. Either way, he's not making more hen what his contract dictates and if he's not careful, he might end up playing Football in a much less desirable location. You act as if Jerry has a reputation or being a cheapskate. Well, that's not the case. If anything, Jerry is guilty of being too generous with players and it's especially true for those players who have won him a Championship.

Scream at the heavens if you wish but that's the whole truth of it. Like it or no....

 

[Future]

Kinda the point, but it is very relevant in terms of a comparison. You try and make the point that Zeke is underpaid in comparison to McKinnon but you only want to show part of the picture. Well, Zeke is actually significantly higher paid. You can't have it both ways. No, not just for fun, tell the whole story. Zeke has among the best contract in terms of Fully guaranteed money in the sport. That's money he definitely is going to put in his pocket. Not money that is a lot of smoke. Only Bell, (27 Mil), Barkley (31 Mil) and Fournette (27 Mil) have better Fully Guaranteed money then does Elliott and that is only because all of those backs signed deals more recently. Elliott was treated very fairly by the Cowboys. You just choose to ignore that, so yeah, I'm going to tell you that Zeke should just accept the numbers of his contract. I will tell you, I don't feel like I need luck because at the end of the day, Elliott has no choice. He can sit and screw himself or he can play football and trust in Jerry. Either way, he's not making more hen what his contract dictates and if he's not careful, he might end up playing Football in a much less desirable location. You act as if Jerry has a reputation or being a cheapskate. Well, that's not the case. If anything, Jerry is guilty of being too generous with players and it's especially true for those players who have won him a Championship.

Scream at the heavens if you wish but that's the whole truth of it. Like it or no....

None of those contracts you reference matter, because you are comparing them to what Zeke has already been paid.

Fair doesn't matter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

None of those contracts you reference matter, because you are comparing them to what Zeke has already been paid.

Fair doesn't matter.

I'm glad you said that. I hope you feel that way when Zeke aint getting Gurley money.

 

[NumOneQB]

He will have made $24.5MM by the end of this season (4 years) and then likely another $9.0MM based on his option next year. That's nearly $34MM in five years and he'll get an extension somewhere, from someone, in the next two years. So let's not pretend or act like Elliott is some guy earning league minimum just looking to get that last pay day before the league jettisons him in a year or two because he's not all that good, or old, or injured.

He's going to bank a crap ton more money in his career.

Never said he’s a journeyman scraping by. His situation specifies his earning potential is way more than what he’s getting paid now. There’s nothing wrong for him to hold out and get that. Just because a few fans thinks he should be grateful because he’s earned “enough”. This isn’t about what’s considered “enough”.

 

[Corso]

Never said he’s a journeyman scraping by. His situation specifies his earning potential is way more than what he’s getting paid now. There’s nothing wrong for him to hold out and get that. Just because a few fans thinks he should be grateful because he’s earned “enough”. This isn’t about what’s considered “enough”.

I get what he's trying to do and I don't begrudge him his efforts.
But...
There's a phrase that keeps playing through my head on this:

"Just because you could, doesn't mean that you should."

 

[DejectedFan1996]

Zeke realizes how dirty the boys did Demarco so probably wants to be paid before they give him 600” touches.

Good for Zeke

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I dont pay that close attention to contracts, because I dont care whap players make, but isnt gurly in the 54 million range? I thought that is what I read today. If what I just said is correct, yo uthink Zeke is gonna take 20 million less than what Gurly got???

The Gurley contract is really only fully guaranteed for like 22 Mil. It's really a 4 year deal that the Rams can get out of in 2022. Honestly, of the entire 57 mil, only like 46/47 mil of it is likely to be paid. They could actually get out of the deal after next season and save themselves money against the cap. Now, they would have significant cap hit if they did that but still, they could do it. That contract is really not that great, in terms of security for Gurley, long term IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Zeke realizes how dirty the boys did Demarco so probably wants to be paid before they give him 600” touches.

Good for Zeke

Just curious but do you realize that the deal that the Cowboys offered Murray, the one he turned down for the deal in Philly, would have actually payed him more, as it turns out, then he actually made in Philly? I mean, the deal on face value was more up front by Philly but long term, the Cowboys deal was actually more lucrative. The Cowboys didn't do Murray dirty. Murry just wanted more then what the Cowboys believed the position was worth. The Offer was not a bad one, by an stretch. Just saying.

 

[DuncanIso]

Zeke realizes how dirty the boys did Demarco so probably wants to be paid before they give him 600” touches.

Good for Zeke

Agree.

LBell is a good example too.

Thr Steelers abused him.

He made 16 million in 5 seasons with Pittsburgh, but made 12 of that in the 5th year.

Zeke isn't stupid.

 

[Reid1boys]

Agree.

LBell is a good example too.

Thr Steelers abused him.

He made 16 million in 5 seasons with Pittsburgh, but made 12 of that in the 5th year.

Zeke isn't stupid.

Ive never heard a RB say damn, stop giving me so many touches. Also, if Lbell had 30% less touches, his numbers drop by 30% and his contract wouldnt have been as much either.... so they want less numbers? That would equate to less money. Imagine if Zeke had 35% less touches. Would he have 2 rushing titles? Im thinking no. That "Abuse," also leads to these big contracts.

 

[Reid1boys]

Never said he’s a journeyman scraping by. His situation specifies his earning potential is way more than what he’s getting paid now. There’s nothing wrong for him to hold out and get that. Just because a few fans thinks he should be grateful because he’s earned “enough”. This isn’t about what’s considered “enough”.

well then why should Mahomes hold out RIGHT NOW? He was the MVP, he had one of the greatest single seasons at the most important position in football, and one could argue he is way more under paid for what he did than Zeke is. So Mahomes has 2 years left, just like Zeke on his deal, so why shouldnt Mahomes hold out?

 

[Silver Surfer]

Meh, La'el was subpar, Looney was average, we had a revolving door at RG, and both Martin and Tyron played well below their standard last year. I'd disagree with your assessment because he proved last year he could thrive behind average.

Its the premise you used. Nobody does anything on their own.

 

[NumOneQB]

well then why should Mahomes hold out RIGHT NOW? He was the MVP, he had one of the greatest single seasons at the most important position in football, and one could argue he is way more under paid for what he did than Zeke is. So Mahomes has 2 years left, just like Zeke on his deal, so why shouldnt Mahomes hold out?

I don’t know why? I guess he could. We know why Zeke is holding out.

 

[jblaze2004]

so did zeke come out and deny it yet? Must be true. Idk about paying a running back big money. Zeke is a good back but some of his off the field moves are questionable. He is probably one lady saying he slapped the phone out her hand and broke her wrist" away from a year ban.

And I like zeke. I have a zeke jersey but man thats tough. You know he is going to one the most money for a runningback.

 

[DuncanIso]

Ive never heard a RB say damn, stop giving me so many touches. Also, if Lbell had 30% less touches, his numbers drop by 30% and his contract wouldnt have been as much either.... so they want less numbers? That would equate to less money. Imagine if Zeke had 35% less touches. Would he have 2 rushing titles? Im thinking no. That "Abuse," also leads to these big contracts.

Look at what the Steelers did to Bell.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/leveon-bell-12329/cash-earnings/


1.3 Million signing bonus [CHEAP]

Salary per season:
2013 405K
2014 495K
2015 687K
2016 853K
2017 12.1 Million

Who do you think got the better deal? The Steelers.

Zeke isn't going to let that happen to him.

 

[Diehardblues]

He wouldn't get to the hold out point in NE, he'd already be gone. He wouldn't even consider giving a RB top 5 money and his RB's know it. He drafted Michel in the 1st last season and then followed up with Damien Wilson in the 3rd this season. Keep them young and coming and cheap.

Yea but they haven’t built a running game dominant and dependent offense that also contributes to the defense effectiveness with TOP. If we had an Elite QB and top 10 passing offense we wouldn’t blink.

And If our intent was to continue replacing our RB instead of extending then we’d of used more than a 4th round pick for leverage.

This potential move by Elliott appears to have completely caught us off guard and threatens our season.

Is this Daddy’s or Sons fault? Lol