Dak and Zeke dont care about championships

[Buzzbait]

Please explain why it’s the players concern to balance the team’s budget?

I didn't say the player was responsible for the budget, I said BOTH sides were responsible for negotiating in good faith. That includes the players.
If you can't understand the value of both sides negotiating in good faith, then I'm very glad I have no financial dealings with you.

 

[kskboys]

It's a business.

The problem is your basic prisoner's dilemma. They all want to win. They all want money. Whatever discount they might take to get a championship doesn't materially affect the likelihood of a championship, but it does affect them personally. So the play is to defect.

The only way taking a discount makes any sense would be for the top dollar guys to *jointly* bargain a discount for the team, so that the guys taking the discount actually get something for it when they do.

The Triplets. Dak, Zeke, and Cooper. They could do it together. See if Lawrence will take a haircut with them. It might even make sense for the players financially long term. Getting a ring opens up post football dollars.

That would have to come from the players, as the agents all want maximum contract dollar now, not maximum championships or post career marketability.

But I've never heard that happening ever. Or even a hint of anyone discussing the possibility of it happening ever. Not gonna happen.

Only in Basketball and Baseball.

 

[Diehardblues]

I didn't say the player was responsible for the budget, I said BOTH sides were responsible for negotiating in good faith. That includes the players.
If you can't understand the value of both sides negotiating in good faith, then I'm very glad I have no financial dealings with you.

The players are under no obligation to not seek to maximize their contracts. Good faith is a load of crap. Sounds nice but it has no bearing.

The owners will dump them at their first opportunity or injury will end it. Players should attempt to get all they can while they can.

There really is no loyalty. Mgmt either believes they’re worth it or not. And it’s the Agents job to push that as far as ownership can go.

 

[lockster]

TSmith's deal at the time was less?

Yes

 

[Diehardblues]

Super bowl chances rise dramatically.

It wouldn't make any difference to me personally, if I were Dak. My happiness and well being is not based on how many millions I can amass. I really feel sorry for anyone where this is the case.

You’d rather make 10 million a year less if you thought it helps you win a Super Bowl? Even if you know there was no guarantees and your career could end on the next play?

I think fans are placing winning championships above tens of millions. It’s laughable.

 

[lockster]

Not to mention the historic revenues being made by the NFL.

Players didn't ask for a cap, the billionaire owners wanted it. Now some expect the players to "take one for the team" because owners can't manage it? That's on the owners, not the players.

That's a straw man argument,. The players went along with it to get more money. Both sides are at fault for this situation, because both sides agreed from the desire of more money=. Greed! That's the problem with most of society. Lust, power, greed.

 

[Diehardblues]

Players are here to make as much money as possible. Winning championships is a team goal.

 

[Diehardblues]

And owners are here to make money.
Winning just makes it more fun.

Fans get so caught up with winning they lose sight of the business aspect of the NFL.

Making money comes first for all.. but the fans.

 

[Buzzbait]

…...…..Good faith is a load of crap. Sounds nice but it has no bearing...…….

Like I said, I'm very glad I have no financial dealings with you......no wait....I'm extremely glad I've never had any financial dealings with you.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's a straw man argument,. The players went along with it to get more money. Both sides are at fault for this situation, because both sides agreed from the desire of more money=. Greed! That's the problem with most of society. Lust, power, greed.

Both sides are in it for the money. Winning just makes it more fun. Fans forget it’s a business first.

 

[Diehardblues]

Like I said, I'm very glad I have no financial dealings with you......no wait....I'm extremely glad I've never had any financial dealings with you.

Fans are so silly. They think the NFL is just a game. It’s strictly business. And all about the money.

It stopped being just a game decades ago.

 

[lockster]

It use to be a sport before money became the God both sides worshipped. The patriots know how to do both things at once with the help of a very smart QB, that knows the value of winning superbowl. Brady could easily be a billionaire in no time at all after football is over just from appearances, autographs, etc.

 

[Diehardblues]

It use to be a sport before money became the God both sides worshipped.

It hasn’t been since the 60’s. Once the merger and TV deal in 1970 the league became more than a part time job with athletes playing for chump change.

My uncle in 1962 turned down a $10,000 a year contract and $1,000 signing bonus to play for Lombardi and World Champion Packers cause he couldn’t afford to move his family to Green Bay.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Only in Basketball and Baseball.

Smaller rosters make it more possible.

Still, we've got a big cohort of young guys all need contracts at the same time. Dak, Lawrence, Cooper, Zeke, Jaylon, would be half the cap.

Guys talk a lot about how winning is everything. Is it conceivable for them to take a 20% hit to sign Byron?

Seems unlikely to me.

 

[Buzzbait]

And owners are here to make money.
Winning just makes it more fun.
Fans get so caught up with winning they lose sight of the business aspect of the NFL.
Making money comes first for all.. but the fans.

Nobody ever suggested the owners or the players should do what they do for free.
But that doesn't mean they can't negotiate in good faith. Whether you believe it or not, it is possible to conduct business in good faith. I'm sorry if you can't understand the value of that concept.

 

[Diehardblues]

It use to be a sport before money became the God both sides worshipped. The patriots know how to do both things at once with the help of a very smart QB, that knows the value of winning superbowl. Brady could easily be a billionaire in no time at all after football is over just from appearances, autographs, etc.

My hunch is the Patriots would have traded or released Brady if he hadn’t taken less down the stretch and wanted to keep playing. He wanted to extend his career and continue playing there. This is a rare example. But he’d already played thru a couple huge contracts. QB’s who have already made their big contracts are more apt to be Cap friendly to continue playing. But not the rule.

 

[Diehardblues]

Nobody ever suggested the owners or the players should do what they do for free. DUH
But that doesn't mean they can't negotiate in good faith. I'm sorry if you can't understand the value of that concept.

Define “ good faith”.

Give me some examples where players have negotiated to benefit the team more than their self interest , besides Brady.

 

[Buzzbait]

Define “ good faith”.

Give me some examples where players have negotiated to benefit the team more than their self interest besides Brady.

How many of those players who never considered helping their team have won as many Super Bowls as Tom Brady?

 

[Alexander]

Dumb thread. Seems to be about some anger that Prescott and Elliott are looking at it like a business.

Argh. Argh. Damn them both.

 

[Diehardblues]

How many of those players of whom you speak have won as many Super Bowls as Tom Brady?
Answer that question and you may find your answer.

As I thought . Brady is only example you have.

Again, most if not practically all players are more concerned with their self interest than team goals.

All of their incentives are tied to personal marks as well. Some fans have this notion that it’s all about winning. That’s just a perception.