Dolphins Grant S Minkah Fitzpatrick Permission to Seek Trade **merged**

[America's Cowboy]

Don't we have a game, "Find Jeff Heath"

Let's find Jeff, then find Minkah.

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties.

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

The more I see this list, the more I dislike passing up on S Juan Thornhill. Minkah was ranked worse than Jeff Heath as a Safety last week? Yuck. Pass.

 

[Stash]

Minkah Fitzpatrick was one of the league's best slot cornerbacks last year. Cowboys don't need a slot CB at this time. Fitzpatrick is too expensive (Dolphins want at least a 1st rounder). Trading Taco (2017 1st rounder) and a 2nd round pick is too much.

I'd consider that a steal if we can add Taco to a 2nd rounder and get 1st round value in return.

 

[tyke1doe]

We haven't seen Wilson play a regular season game yet.

Doesn't matter. Just comparing their college careers, Fitzpatrick is a way better safety than Wilson. And with one year of NFL seasoning under his belt, I think it's safe to say that he is better than Wilson. Doesn't mean Wilson can't grow to be better, but right now, M.F. is better.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

He's worth a first. I think we can get him for a second.
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. He'd love being here too.

One rookie season, unless it's a spectacular one, isn't worth a first, to me, now a second is more like it....

 

[John813]

Don't we have a game, "Find Jeff Heath"

Let's find Jeff, then find Minkah.

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties.

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

He had a bad game, but you need to see the film on why it was bad. Sure, he got burned by Brown, but it was at corner and there was confusion and deadgive aways by McCain(starting free safety) on where he was going to go presnap.


The Ravens game was poor planning by the coaches and poorly executed by the ragtag team called the Dolphins.
the fact that McCain is rated higher to me is a huge red flag on that list. He's a career corner thrown at FS that has looked bad leading back to preseason.

 

[Chuck 54]

I’m not so sure that he’s a huge upgrade over Woods, who is just completely nag into his own.

We need to improve by finding a SS who likes to tackle and blitz but can also cover man to man, especially TEs. If this guy was happy to play SS, I’d try to get him, but since he only wants to play FS, I’m not so sure I’d give up much for him.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Don't we have a game, "Find Jeff Heath"

Let's find Jeff, then find Minkah.

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties.

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

I'd put Minkah at CB. Taco, Hill, and A.Brown should be enough to snag Minkah.

 

[Jake]

I think a 2nd plus Taco could do this.

A 2nd round pick and a bust DE no one here wants for the 11th overall pick in last year's draft? Good luck.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I don't know if playing them next week helps our hurts our chances if we're interested.

They got a massive haul for Tunsil and they have granted permission for him to leave.

I'm hoping they'll do a 2.

1 is not realistic for us even though we probably won't find a talent like him where we'll be drafting.

If we beat the hell out of them and show we are a great team, that hurts us because they'll assume our pick we send is lower. But it would be an opportunity to showcase talent they might be interested in. Double edged sword.

 

[Sydla]

The price is probably too much with a 2nd thrown in.

And again, if he is vehement about not playing SS.......................... that might be a non starter for us too.

 

[America's Cowboy]

He had a bad game, but you need to see the film on why it was bad. Sure, he got burned by Brown, but it was at corner and there was confusion and deadgive aways by McCain(starting free safety) on where he was going to go presnap.


The Ravens game was poor planning by the coaches and poorly executed by the ragtag team called the Dolphins.

Fitzpatrick sucks as a Safety. Cowboys need to stay away.

 

[Jake]

Dallas will not give up a draft pick for him, especially a 2nd round pick. They already gave Miami a 6th for Quinn. No way they give away a 2nd round too.
He is not a Cooper and is that huge of a difference maker.

This happened last season forever over ET. Didn't happen. Unless Taco or another player is involved, doubt they trade a draft pick unless it is their 5th or 6th.

Strap in for endless fantasy trade threads involving the 11th pick in last year's draft obtained by trading away players fans don't like.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Was a huge fan of Fitzpatrick while he was at Bama.

I said he reminded me a bit of Byron Jones but with more of physical edge and better football instincts.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Just me, but I have a hunch the kid using the multiple position issue as an excuse to get out that rat hole down in Miami. Remember Clowney wanted no part of a trade that would have sent him to Miami. Losing breed losers.....lol

 

[tyke1doe]

One rookie season, unless it's a spectacular one, isn't worth a first, to me, now a second is more like it....

I respect your opinion. I agree about the second rounder more than the first.

 

[Jake]

Just me, but I have a hunch the kid using the multiple position issue as an excuse to get out that rat hole down in Miami. Remember Clowney wanted no part of a trade that would have sent him to Miami. Losing breed losers.....lol

I don't blame him for wanting out, but if I'm Miami I want premium picks for him.

They need to rebuild, and keeping him under his rookie deal isn't out of the question, so they have no reason to just give him away for scrubs.

 

[roughneck266]

We'll trade you and under cooked Taco.

 

[John813]

I would take Fitz even if it meant he would just be our slot corner.
He did well in that role last year and the Cowboys would have him under contract for 2-3 more years at a reasonable hit.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Don't we have a game, "Find Jeff Heath"

Let's find Jeff, then find Minkah.

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties.

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

Spot on I wouldn't touch the kid.

 

[erod]

Can't say that I've watched much of him at Miami, but I was a HUGE fan of him in the draft because he was outstanding at Alabama.