Twitter: Since 2017, Dak is 5-9 vs winning teams

[G2]

Except it's not an overused stat when wins and losses has been cited MULTIPLE TIMES as to why Dak is a really good QB. You can't know suddenly claim wins and losses is a team thing when one has used wins and losses to justify why they think Dak is an elite-ish QB and deserving of a huge contract.

Note, I am not suggesting you are one of those types - I am just speaking generally here about the concept of wins and losses as used on this board.

Nope, I'm not. I mean, you could argue a play won or lost a game, but even that's flimsy.

Contracts are up to the staff. Fans have no idea what they think with regard to worth and have zero control over negotiations. It's useless to discuss unless you're signing checked. Bias is typically involved.

 

[Sydla]

I like Clayton Thorson. Looking forward to seeing him in next year's preseason. Just saying.

LOL.

Oy.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Ahhh I can admit when I make a small mental error.

You? Deflect deflect deflect

Again, HOLD THAT L LITTLE BUDDY

I aint deflect at ALL

You asked for his career W/L record against winning teams. I provided it for you, and it still stinks. You were wrong as usual.

Now you are grasping for anything to save face.

 

[Future]

Obviously going to be a big play but he still didn’t lead the receiver as he often has issues with. He had two great passes yesterday leading his receiver to a spot, the one to Cobb and Zeke. He had some other good passes but frequently has issues leading his receiver. Now don’t get me wrong here Cooper still should have caught the ball but his drop issues leave him out of the elite status talk for him.

This is awfully nitpicky - and I'm guilty of that too, with Dak. We could sit here and say that a little more touch and a little more to the middle of the field would be a better throw, but it's a pointless discussion because it's a catch you expect every NFL WR to make. It's a drop and that's it - and it changed the entire complexion of the game.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Ahhh I can admit when I make a small mental error.

You? Deflect deflect deflect

Again, HOLD THAT L LITTLE BUDDY

Haha, yep they have no comment on all those other QBs with worst records against winning teams. Here is another fun fact, last year Wentz only beat 1 team with a winning record...... That was the Colts before they went on a winning streak. Wentz is by far the worst against winning teams.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I have said repeatedly that I would wait until year's end to make a judgment on Dak. That still holds true.

There are elements to his game that have always been present since he got here, for one he makes too many throws that are just a bit off, no quarterback hits every receiver exactly where he needs to. Just witness the fingertip catch by a GB receiver early in the game, but Cooper has a pass just a bit behind him and it's off his hands for an int. Sure Dak needed to make a bit better throw, 3-4 inches and that's an easier, and probably made, catch. But can't our receivers help Dak out once in a while in crucial situations?

Again, I'll wait another 11 games but it's doubtful Dak will change. So Dak is what he is, probably.

But the easy answer is "get rid of Dak". But will it work? Zeke had 12, count 'em, TWELVE rushes. Since when does a team built for rushing give their bell cow rb 12 attempts? yes they were behind by 17, but there was a whole half to go, and we got the ball first. Plenty of time to put 24 pts, even running Zeke more.

Any new quarterback might do better, but SB wins? Not with these coaches.

Personally I'd keep Dak, he's a known quantity, rather than risk drafting a Russell or Leaf or Dalton or such...

 

[Future]

What if Smith doesn't put a hands to the face of Fleming? Dak has another interception. What if King doesn't have hands of stone and drop another easy interception?

The fact is if you are going to play this game of this interception wasn't his fault and that interception wasn't his fault, you have to be fair and point out the balls that he threw that should have been intercepted that were awful throws.

Sure.

What if they correctly ruled the Lawrence strip-sack a fumble? What if they called the penalty on King on the third? blah blah blah. Every defense in the league drops INTs.

But you're probably not throwing and forcing all those balls down the field if not for the drop. Dallas couldn't go conservative - ever - because of that drop.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I aint deflect at ALL

You asked for his career W/L record against winning teams. I provided it for you, and it still stinks. You were wrong as usual.

Now you are grasping for anything to save face.

But.... it doesnt stink as I gave proof and now you're having to back pedal.

Or maybe you missed it? Here it is again. For reference Dak is 2 below .500, that's it.

 

[Ken]

Dak slobberers calling out cherry picking stats is certainly an interesting case of pot and kettle. If I had a nickel for every time I read a Dak slobber-stat that started with “since Amari Cooper” or “outside of that 8 game stretch” I would certainly be in a good place financially.

Nothing to Cherry Pick...the guy everyone is calling AVERAGE is:

1st in Yards per completion at 9.4
4th in Passing Yards
4th in Completion percentage
2nd in passing Tds
4th in Rating
2nd in Total QBR.

Ya, you guys are a bunch of haters.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Haha, yep they have no comment on all those other QBs with worst records against winning teams. Here is another fun fact, last year Wentz only beat 1 team with a winning record...... That was the Colts before they went on a winning streak. Wentz is by far the worst against winning teams.

Its a stupid point


Those qbs are bums outside of Brees, Luck, and Ryan

Brees is a top 5-10 all time QB with a SB MVP

Luck was massively overrated but at least got his team to a Championship game

Ryan is massively overrated too but won an MVP, been to two Championship games, and a SB

They have at least been able to win multiple games in the playoffs against winning teams. When has Dakota done that???

 

[black label]

Mr McThrowbehind is worth 2.5 mil tops

 

[Sydla]

Sure.

What if they correctly ruled the Lawrence strip-sack a fumble? What if they called the penalty on King on the third? blah blah blah. Every defense in the league drops INTs.

But you're probably not throwing and forcing all those balls down the field if not for the drop. Dallas couldn't go conservative - ever - because of that drop.

The point is you were the one who trotted out excuses and tried to rationalize away Dak's interceptions to make his performance look better than it was yesterday. I am only pointing out that if you want to play that game, then let's really be fair here and point of the really bad passes he threw that he got lucky on if you want to also point out the passes he got unlucky on.

And no offense, but a NFL game is 60 minutes long. If you can't overcome a WR dropping a pass halfway through the first quarter, then you have a real problem. So I am not buying this notion that Cooper's drop somehow was the big factor in that loss yesterday. The Cowboys had 53 minutes left in that game to get their crap together and they couldn't.

This is as weak as Eagles fans crying that the missed fumble on the kickoff last year cost them that game. No, the Eagles had 59 minutes to win that game after the bad call and couldn't.

 

[WillieBeamen]

But.... it doesnt stink as I gave proof and now you're having to back pedal.

Or maybe you missed it? Here it is again. For reference Dak is 2 below .500, that's it.

This is easy


There are only 3 qbs on this list that I would want to be QB for this team.

All of them have won multiple games in a single playoff vs winning teams. Two have been to Super Bowls.

When has Dakota done any of that???

 

[Ken]

So Dak did have yards on 3rd down. Interesting

Running yards don't count...same with TDs.

Lol.

 

[Sydla]

Nothing to Cherry Pick...the guy everyone is calling AVERAGE is:

1st in Yards per completion at 9.4
4th in Passing Yards
4th in Completion percentage
2nd in passing Tds
4th in Rating
2nd in Total QBR.

Ya, you guys are a bunch of haters.

But again, surely you will acknowledge that he's looked great in three games this year against some really bad defenses and not so good in his two games against better opponents, right?

Now one may argue that is me trying to skew the stats but I think it's fair to acknowledge performances against bad teams and good teams, right?

 

[gmb1]

I've supported Dak and will continue to do so, however if he keeps turning the ball over might as start over at the QB position. One thing I can't stand is giving the ball away which was one of my biggest gripes about Romo. Turnovers will consistently get you beat especially with a defense that doesn't get takeaways.

Another year of us beating ourselves rather than the other team, especially when you're also playing against the refs along with the opposing team.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Its a stupid point


Those qbs are bums outside of Brees, Luck, and Ryan

Brees is a top 5-10 all time QB with a SB MVP

Luck was massively overrated but at least got his team to a Championship game

Ryan is massively overrated too but won an MVP, been to two Championship games, and a SB

They have at least been able to win multiple games in the playoffs against winning teams. When has Dakota done that???

Dak has only been in the league 3 full seasons and only got 2 chances in the playoffs, in which he did win against the Seahawks. Not only that but look at Peyton Manning and how long it took him to get a playoff win much less go on a run. Look at Rodgers and Ryan and how long it took them and Rodgers or Ryan hasn't done crap in the playoffs since they went to the Superbowl. Luck didn't have the mental or physically ability to play in the league, he quit.

 

[mattjames2010]

This is awfully nitpicky - and I'm guilty of that too, with Dak. We could sit here and say that a little more touch and a little more to the middle of the field would be a better throw, but it's a pointless discussion because it's a catch you expect every NFL WR to make. It's a drop and that's it - and it changed the entire complexion of the game.

Not sure why you guys struggle with the fact that both Prescott and Cooper were a problem on that play. If Prescott throws that to Cooper in stride, and if it was dropped, it doesn't deflect back to the corner - it drops to the ground.

There is no good reason to leave Prescott out of the fault here unless it's bias. I'm the one who brought up Coopers drops just a week ago (which most of you wanted to ignore as oopsie whoopsies), so there is no bias here for me. An inaccurate or a QB that lacks precision throwing passes to Mr. Drops a lot will lead to bad outcomes.

Both are a problem and both at this stage in their careers will most likely not fix their flaws. It is what it is.

 

[khiladi]

When talking about other QBs that have losing records against winning teams, outsiders generally state right away that the problem isn’t the QB, but the trash roster.

When people look at the Cowboys, they generally look immediately at Dak as the weak link.

 

[HungryLion]

This is easy


There are only 3 qbs on this list that I would want to be QB for this team.

All of them have won multiple games in a single playoff vs winning teams. Two have been to Super Bowls.

When has Dakota done any of that???

Here’s the thing Willie.

I get it. I would love a Tom Brady or Brees or Russell Wilson too.

So what’s the solution to find one of them?

Say the cowboys let Dak walk this off-season. What’s the gameplan to replace him?

We have to be realistic too. Even if the cowboys draft a first round QB. There’s still a coin flip chance they won’t even be as good as Dak. And about only a 20% chance they’ll be better than Dak.

The names you’re talking about are like the top 5 QB’s in the entire league. You know how many QB’s have been drafted in the first round since Brady and Brees and guys like that got into the league?