Drafting a first round QB

[Diehardblues]

We must decide. Is Dak the one. Is he worth the money he wants . Can he lead us without all of the supporting cast if his contract limits us??

I know we must have a QB. And Dak appears to be enough with all of the supporting cast in place. But it’s not going to get any better than he has right now. If we can’t get it done with this supporting cast then it’s just going to get tougher once we pay him in coming years.

Every QB needs a supporting cast. It’s what they do with it that separates them from the pack. Is this as good as it gets? If so are we ok with that? Or do we want more . And remember we aren’t going to have a strong FO or HC. Talent will need to overcome.

 

[HungryLion]

Good post. You show clearly that having an early first round pick is no guarantee of anything. And I’m of the opinion that Dak is much better than too many on these boards believe. Especially those that act as if all we need to do is go pick the first round QB tree to have an upgrade.

Ask Tenn and Chi how that’s worked out lately having an early pick on a QB. The jury’s still out on #1 pick in last years draft, Baker Mayfield, who acts like he’s a high school sophomore rather than a team leader. I don’t understand why so many fans think because Dak isn’t “elite”, he’s not worth keeping. It’s crazy.

I don’t agree that DeSaun Watson or Matt Ryan are better than Dak- especially Watson. He’s had flashes but he’s more fragile than Dak and he’s certainly accomplished less than Dak.

Anyway, good post. Dak may not be an elite future HOFer, but we can win with this guy. And more importantly, we could do a lot worse.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Chicago in particular has to be kicking themselves. Trubisky over Mahomes and Watson. Ouch.

jury is still out though. Trubisky’s light bulb may still come on.

 

[HungryLion]

I also would like to point out. There are some people who believe that Elite QB’s are able to carry the talent around them and make them better.

So anybody who makes that argument, shouldn’t really make the argument that any of these QB’s failed due to the team or organization around Them.

just sayin.

 

[Diehardblues]

I just want to be clear. In my OP I don’t actually say the Cowboys should not do it. I am just trying to paint a clear picture about what the chances of actually getting an elite QB are.

I would also argue. Most teams do not draft QB’s in the first round when they have a QB playing at the level Dak currently is. I would be willing to hear examples, but I believe the list is very small.

I’d agree . But those teams would probably have their QB under contract. That makes this a different situation .

I think Cousins in Washington is a pretty good example to ours here and why we could end up Franchising Dak.

What if we are sitting here two years , 6 years into Dak era, and the results are about the same? Are we still willing to sign him long term? Or would we be more willing to look back to draft?

 

[HungryLion]

I’d agree . But those teams would probably have their QB under contract. That makes this a different situation .

I think Cousins in Washington is a pretty good example to ours here and why we could end up Franchising Dak.

What if we are sitting here two years , 6 years into Dak era, and the results are about the same? Are we still willing to sign him long term? Or would we be more willing to look back to draft?

I would argue Cousins isn’t as good as Dak.

Even if you think he is, the Commanders results certainly isn’t a strong argument in favor of making that move.

There is risk to extending Dak. Absolutely there is.
Is that risk greater than letting him walk and using a bunch of draft picks to trade up for a QB?

I personally don’t think it is. I would rather the team use those picks to put a better defense behind him. But that’s just me.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

The fact that only a handful of those QB's have either been successful at some point in their career or have lived up to their draft status pick, puts into perspective that just because a QB is drafted high doesn't automatically mean that he'll be successful and the franchise type of QB that that high of a draft pick hopes or is predicted to be. And that finding a QB who can be a franchise QB is tough.

 

[conner01]

In the 2016 draft, the Cowboys only took Dak after trying to trade up for Paxton Lynch (1st round) then Connor Cook (3rd). They fell into Dak by accident.

Go back a bit in time, when Jerry moved to get Quincy Carter. They fell into Romo by accident.

Then let's not forget Jerry wanted Johnny Football, but was finally talked out of it by everyone in the room.

"Dump Dak and draft a 'franchise' QB!"

It sounds so easy, but remember who will be doing the picking.

Who’s picking aside
The odds of doing better are just slim no matter who the picker is

 

[HungryLion]

The fact that only a handful of those QB's have either been successful at some point in their career or have lived up to their draft status pick, puts into perspective that just because a QB is drafted high doesn't automatically mean that he'll be successful and the franchise type of QB that that high of a draft pick hopes or is predicted to be. And that finding a QB who can be a franchise QB is tough.

I would argue it’s the hardest position to fill in all of sports.

The number of QB’s drafted who never amount to anything is staggering.

This list is just first round picks. Many people consider second and third round picks to be premium picks where you expect to get a good player.

imagine how many 2nd and 3rd round QB’s have never amounted to even a decent starting QB in the last 10 years?

 

[JoeKing]

There isn't even the possibility that the Cowboys would draft a QB in the first round so I don't understand the exercise. Dak has been a hell of a bargain as a 4th round draft pick and now he deserves to finally get paid. I have no doubt this will eventually happen.

 

[cowboyec]

wouldnt take one of'm over Dak.

 

[Kingofholland]

I wouldn’t even say Cam, Ryan and Luck are better. Not to me anyway. But I get your point. I like how people assume you can find another one when everyone else sucks at it except I guess the Pats. They seem to find them without a first.

Definitely not Cam. Ryan and Luck in their prime were pretty special. But for arguments sake the hit rate on QBs is pretty awful.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I would argue it’s the hardest position to fill in all of sports.

The number of QB’s drafted who never amount to anything is staggering.

This list is just first round picks. Many people consider second and third round picks to be premium picks where you expect to get a good player.

imagine how many 2nd and 3rd round QB’s have never amounted to even a decent starting QB in the last 10 years?

This is the reason why if some Cowboys fans get their wish in getting rid of Dak to draft a QB, then they better hope that the front office lands the correct QB that would be guaranteed to be better than what Dak has done for this team and not be a pick that can set the team back like the Bears did to their franchise with they selected Trubisky.

 

[HungryLion]

I think the only second round Or 3rd round QB’s who have been good over the last 10 years or
So. Off the top of my head: Colin Kaep, Derek Carr, Jimmy G and Russel Wilson Andy Dalton.
Now Russ ended up being elite. Jimmy G I would just say is good. Andy Dalton is middling at best.

But the number of washouts has to be pretty long.

some names of notable wash outs: Deshone Kizer, Hackenberg, Geno Smith, Osweiler, Jimmy clausen, Pat White.

yuck

 

[HungryLion]

I would like to hear what @Kaiser and @xwalker and @Hennessy_King have to say on this topic.

@WillieBeamen too but he probably will just call me a Stan and move on. Lol which is fine. But maybe I shouldn’t have @ him. Lol

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Basically you have to play it like the Chiefs did, develop who you've got and be willing to pounce when opportunity knocks. Who knows, maybe Dak gets over that hump, he's a better player this year than last.

 

[Birch_Wood]

Matt Stafford is underrated. Put him behind a good OL and he would light up many teams. Put some of the QB's on your list on the same Lions team as Stafford and watch their stock fall.

 

[HungryLion]

Basically you have to play it like the Chiefs did, develop who you've got and be willing to pounce when opportunity knocks. Who knows, maybe Dak gets over that hump, he's a better player this year than last.

they targeted their guy and got him.

It worked. No doubt about it. So props to them.

to be honest I would trust Andy Reid to draft me a QB more than our front office and coaches.

 

[HungryLion]

Matt Stafford is underrated. Put him behind a good OL and he would light up many teams. Put some of the QB's on your list on the same Lions team as Stafford and watch their stock fall.

yeah stafford is a tough one. No doubt about. He has played for a horrible organization.

I wouldn’t necessarily argue somebody putting him in the “better than Dak” list. If they were so inclined. Based on pure physical talent alone.

then again, Stafford was a first overall pick. Prospects like him don’t make it past the first or second pick.

so to get someone like him, prospect wise, you need to either tank a season, or trade a boatload of picks to move up that far into the draft.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

they targeted their guy and got him.

It worked. No doubt about it. So props to them.

to be honest I would trust Andy Reid to draft me a QB more than our front office and coaches.

Even though they drafted the guy in your avatar...?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Definitely not Cam. Ryan and Luck in their prime were pretty special. But for arguments sake the hit rate on QBs is pretty awful.

Those guys should still be in their prime though.